Author Topic: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter (Read 57282 times)

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #130 on:** January 23, 2023, 03:37:31 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 23, 2023, 02:26:23 AM

Nor does one have to be an active restrainer (i.e. a Catholic) but merely a passive obstacle ... in the sense that +Vigano uses it.

So the Katechon is a restrainer from the ushering in of the Antichrist?

He is either actively or passively holding back the Antichrist, right?

Vigano has named three Katechons:

1. Trump

Does this look like Trump is restraining the ushering in of the NWO/Antichrist?

Either actively or passively,

is this restraining the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr?

Or is this USHERING it in?

Even if Trump is biggest idiot who ever lived and had no idea what was going on,

he is still passively ushering in the NWO here.

Why does Vigano, who hates the shots, STILL hail Trump as some kind of obstacle to the NWO?

Why did he lie and say that the pandemic farce would have never taken place under Trump when we all know it did?

The pandemic farce and clot shot rollout was initiated and overseen by Trump.

Vigano thinks Trump was somehow holding back the NWO/Antichrist?

Trump was some kind of obstacle?

Is he blind?

Vigano's second Katechon:

2. Benedict

Do Vigano and Benedict think praying at this wall holds back the Antichrist?

That's where they pray for the Antichrist (Moshiach) to come. Right?

The rabbis all pray there in defiance of the rebuilt Temple of the Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ

and pray for the rebuilding of the Third Temple

and the coming of the Antichrist (Moshiach).

Both Trump and Putin have been slated to

rebuild the Third Temple in Jerusalem.

Rebuilding the Third Temple means USHERING in the ANTICHRIST.

Why would Vigano think this guy is somehow

actively or passively holding back the Antichrist?

He's USHERING it in!

Is Vigano blind?

And Vigano's third Katechon:

3. Moscow--The Third Rome

Vigano named Moscow as the Third Rome and Katechon.

He often repeats the talking points of Satanist/Kabbalist Dugin (Putin's brain) regarding this vision of a Third Rome.

Here are Vigano and Dugin at the Great Awakening meeting in 2021 planning a post covid era:
https://twitter.com/2022moshiachnow/status/1608972005466046468

Here an article titled "Putin's Geopolitical Brain" explains Dugin's vision of Russia as the Katechon and the Third Rome:

[color=var(--blue)]A mystical imperative[/color]
The mystical imperative informing this vision of Eurasianism reflects the important role the concept of the katechon plays in Dugin’s, and, by extension, Putin’s geopolitical thought and the decision to invade Ukraine. In his Second Letter to the Thessalonians, St Paul wrote that a katechon would be necessary to ‘restrain’ the ‘lawless one’, namely the Antichrist, during the last days prior to Christ’s Second Coming. The pluralistic ideal of multiple Grossraum, therefore, was not only geopolitical, but also apocalyptic. Multipolarity, Dugin believes, following Carl Schmitt who first elaborated the notion, is necessary to restrain the more destructive features of liberal universalism through the mutual recognition of friends and enemies against the Antichrist of world unity.

Dugin’s 1997 article, ‘Katechon and Revolution’ introduced Schmitt’s notion to a Russian audience. It was well received. Indeed, it revived a long-standing tradition of invoking the katechon in the Russian Orthodox Church. Imperial Russian Orthodox faith had long assumed the concept of Moscow as a Third Rome.

The divinely ordained imperial mandate had passed from Byzantium to the Russian Caesar or Tsar after the fall of Constantinople in the fifteenth century.

https://www.cieo.org.uk/research/putins-geopolitical-brain/

Yeah, too bad that whole One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church thing didn't work out.

Oh well, out with the old and in with the NEW and IMPROVED

THIRD ROME!

(Some kind of fake Fatima event would really help usher this in wouldn't it?)

Vigano is no Sedevacantist. He's not even Catholic. He doesn't state belief in the indefectiblity of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Catholic Church.

He trashes the Catholic hierarchy and disparages the office of the papacy.

He's already "prophesized" of a "Peace deal" that Trump can negotiate with Russia

and envisions a "peaceful coexistence of equal nations" which is the political doctrine of Lenin and Kruschev

and the zionist/communist plan of the UN laid out by Ben Gurion.

I have not slandered Vigano.

There is no need to slander Vigano.

His own words suffice.

Applying the word "Katechon" to these three

is the exact opposite

of their cause and purpose.

They are not holding back the Antichrist.

They are USHERING IN the ANTICHRIST

and his nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #131 on:** January 23, 2023, 06:38:03 AM »

Quote from: Plenus Venter on January 22, 2023, 08:21:55 PM

Catholic Knight,

I agree with you that manifest formal heresy separates the heretic from the Church. I think Sean agrees with you on this point also.

Formal heresy requires demonstration of pertinacity, as has been adequately discussed. This requires demonstration that the culprit understands that he is contradicting a dogma of the Faith and in spite of this knowledge remains obstinate in his heresy.

Where is the evidence that this Pope or any of his predecessors are formal heretics?

Unless the Pope clearly states that he knows the Church teaches xyz, but that he doesn't believe xyz, how can you make a private judgement of a sin of formal heresy without judging the internal forum?

This audio of Canon Hesse posted by some good soul on another thread explains the matter well. Listen particularly from about the 44.30 minute mark to about 50.30:

Fr. Hesse: Freemasonic infiltration in the Vatican, Secretary of State, Opus Dei (Remastered Audio) (bitchute.com)

Actually I am not sure whether Mr. Johnson agrees with me on the following proposition. Perhaps Mr. Johnson could clarify,

The public sin of manifest formal heresy per se separates the heretic from the Church..

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #132 on:** January 23, 2023, 06:47:56 AM »

Quote from: Plenus Venter on January 22, 2023, 08:21:55 PM

Unless the Pope clearly states that he knows the Church teaches xyz, but that he doesn't believe xyz, how can you make a private judgement of a sin of formal heresy without judging the internal forum?

Does every heretic admit he is a heretic? If we have to go to what is explicitly said, then the heretics that deny they are heretics but are in reality heretics would never be able to be prosecuted for the "crime" of heresy either.

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #133 on:** January 23, 2023, 06:50:28 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 22, 2023, 04:59:45 PM

Mr. LaRosa-

I understand your position, and consider that I have amply refuted it. Not sure what else to say.

You have not refuted my position.

May I assume that you adhere to Opinion No. 4 of St. Robert Bellarmine's exposition of the Five Opinions?

Stubborn · « **Reply #134 on:** January 23, 2023, 06:51:33 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 23, 2023, 06:38:03 AM

Actually I am not sure whether Mr. Johnson agrees with me on the following proposition. Perhaps Mr. Johnson could clarify,

The public sin of manifest formal heresy per se separates the heretic from the Church..

Fr. Hesse:

Objective (or Material) heresy is: "According to the Church, salvation is attainable outside the Church".
Formal (or Manifest) heresy is: "I don't care what the Church teaches, the Church is wrong, I say salvation is attainable outside the Church".

The accusation that the conciliar popes are manifest heretics has never been proven.

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