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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #285 on: May 31, 2020, 09:34:16 AM »
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  • I haven't posted on on CI for well over a year or longer. But I couldn't resists on this Voris issue.  The following quote pretty well sums it up:


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    Does the Society have a lot of explaining to do? Oh yeah.
    Are many parts of Church Militant's report concerning? You bet.
    Has the Society's response thus far appeared unconvincing? You could argue so.
    Should we, with reckless abandon, join with Voris in shredding the Society before they've had the chance to respond? Nope
    .I don't join Voris "with reckless abandon.  Whatever his motives, Voris and Christine Niles report the truth about the situation.  Nothing they report has been effectively refuted on this site.   It is all too true.  The SSPX is DOA.  Some of us saw this years ago.  The good bishop should perhaps abandon warnings about the Society on the brink of returning to Rome.  He might be advised to recognize the fact that SSPX has become Rome.  It is not a Romeward trend.  This trad outfit has already, for many years, been virtually a part of Rome.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #286 on: May 31, 2020, 09:57:44 AM »
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  • I haven't posted on on CI for well over a year or longer. But I couldn't resists on this Voris issue.  The following quote pretty well sums it up:

    .I don't join Voris "with reckless abandon.  Whatever his motives, Voris and Christine Niles report the truth about the situation.  Nothing they report has been effectively refuted on this site.   It is all too true.  The SSPX is DOA.  Some of us saw this years ago.  The good bishop should perhaps abandon warnings about the Society on the brink of returning to Rome.  He might be advised to recognize the fact that SSPX has become Rome.  It is not a Romeward trend.  This trad outfit has already, for many years, been virtually a part of Rome.

    Regarding your assertion above that nothing from Voris or Niles has been effectively refuted, I'd say that Voris' charges against Fr. Novak have been refuted here. Maybe not as effectively as you'd like.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #287 on: May 31, 2020, 10:58:09 AM »
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  • Voris' go to 'victim' is Jassy Jacas in whom law enforcement could place no credibility. This exposé seems to draw from, or draws from the same source as a Swedish docuмentary which made a great of unsupported calumnies against Resistance priests. I suspect after this pan cake flat stuff has been eaten, there will be a few meager bits served up.

    Fr Jenkins SSPV remarks on the matter covers what he sees as an attitude among the SSPX and problems created by 'partial communion':



     

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #288 on: May 31, 2020, 12:12:07 PM »
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  • Voris' go to 'victim' is Jassy Jacas in whom law enforcement could place no credibility. This exposé seems to draw from, or draws from the same source as a Swedish docuмentary which made a great of unsupported calumnies against Resistance priests. I suspect after this pan cake flat stuff has been eaten, there will be a few meager bits served up.

    Fr Jenkins SSPV remarks on the matter covers what he sees as an attitude among the SSPX and problems created by 'partial communion':



     

    I can't believe I'm saying this about the SSPV, but Fr. Jenkins gives the best assessment of the SSPX/Voris issue that I've seen thus far. He brings up many thought-provoking ideas, and he's respectful of all parties, but truthful and realistic at the same time.

    Good assessment, too, about the Coronavirus problem, in the 2nd half of the talk.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #289 on: May 31, 2020, 02:43:43 PM »
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  • Fr Jenkins SSPV remarks on the matter covers what he sees as an attitude among the SSPX and problems created by 'partial communion':

    Very incisive comments, as usual, from Fr. Jenkins.  He speculates that, if there is in fact a greater tolerance for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the SSPX, it could derive from the general softening of the SSPX on Modernism in general, and therefore becoming more tolerant of sin and evil as a result.  So the opposite of how Voris and Niles spun it.


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #290 on: May 31, 2020, 02:45:22 PM »
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  • I can't believe I'm saying this about the SSPV, but Fr. Jenkins gives the best assessment of the SSPX/Voris issue that I've seen thus far. He brings up many thought-provoking ideas, and he's respectful of all parties, but truthful and realistic at the same time.

    Good assessment, too, about the Coronavirus problem, in the 2nd half of the talk.

    Fr. Jenkins is a great priest with his head screwed on straight.  He's also a terrific preacher and a brilliant man.  IMO, if anyone with the SSPX should have been consecrated a bishop, it's Fr. Jenkins.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #291 on: May 31, 2020, 03:35:32 PM »
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  • Tradcast, Fisher More, some King thing - I had to look it up, but nothing made it clear and quick, but I got: Tradcast is Sedevacantist (and I am not); King thing was 2010, so I don't know if TM's views on whatever happened have evolved; Fisher More is the college is TM's hometown (or nearby) that he was apparently involved with, then not, because of not being happy about something with King.

    But I am not motivated to find out more, because of course it's expected that Tradcast would not like Infiltration because they think every single thing since Vatican II is not real, so, there is no church itself to infiltrate. Also no surprise that they could find ways to pick it apart. Remembering that Rose's Goodbye, Good Men was not good enough as an expose\t for many. One can always find points of a thing to argue, and argue endlessly, especially if they cross our preconceived ideas. Especially ideas we are very committed to.
    So, if you are Sedevacantist, the only church existing to be infiltrated would be SSPX. Oh, and we see that happened. Only, it's same same MO used on the NO church.
    I was Evangelical Christian before converting, and in that path one must use discernment, without the actual Church teachings to consult, but only the Bible, and whoever seems most expert and pious to interpret. I was interested always in becoming "more Christian", and cult-like groups often claimed to be that, and they looked more Christian. But looking closer, I saw patterns of things not right. So when I became Catholic and saw so much wrong in our NO Church, I looked a bit at SSPX, and saw some of those same marks - more Christian, convinced they were the only right ones, i.e. But also what concerned me was the unquestioning loyalty to a hierarchy that has no transparency. I know that is not a good thing, that it is a breeding ground for abuse of power, in all manners. Look what it invites and harbors. : (  I am sorry for all those who are suffering because of the truth of the CM revelations, and I am aghast at those in denial, claiming CM is just out to get SSPX. How silly. But sad.
    Not commenting on the thread topic per say (SSPX), just Taylor Marshall. To me he is a phony subversive guy. Not to be taken seriously let alone trusted. Tradcast did not refer to sedvacantism in it's review, just that TM's book was poorly written without the due diligence research the topic called for. TM is an ace manipulator (remember his role in the destruction of Pachymama? He had to let us know it was an arranged event and his idea...along with his Coronavirus hero that tossed the idol. It all sounds contrived to me. I don't trust him, sorry.
    PS, I an not a sede but actually listen and read many different positions in order to form my own. In fact you should listen to Fr Jenkin's very balanced assessment of the CM SSPX issue in the video above.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #292 on: May 31, 2020, 10:30:48 PM »
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  • Voris' go to 'victim' is Jassy Jacas in whom law enforcement could place no credibility. This exposé seems to draw from, or draws from the same source as a Swedish docuмentary which made a great of unsupported calumnies against Resistance priests. I suspect after this pan cake flat stuff has been eaten, there will be a few meager bits served up.

    Fr Jenkins SSPV remarks on the matter covers what he sees as an attitude among the SSPX and problems created by 'partial communion':



     

    I wasn't so impressed with Fr. Jenkins interview for the following reasons:


    1. Father failed to acknowledge what the accuser, Church Militant represents.  

       Voris, in his own show has endorsed the h0Ɩ0cαųst, the Noahide Laws, and Opus Dei.
       Voris, working from an Opus Dei buidling, is a funded front for them.
       
       But Father's assessment failed to make the connection of the political motivations behind CM's
       rash suspicions and rash judgements.

    2.  It was a great opportunity for SSPX's sede rival to dig into all of the Society's problems.  
        But Father's linkage of the sex scandals to the SSPX's more recent, modernist sympathies was out of context.  
        Most of the SSPX scandals Voris dredged-up were way before the Roman dialogues.   But it served Father's purpose as a whipping boy.  

    3. I had to laugh when Father turned the question of a disaffected SSPXer into a Pius V recruitment pitch :jester:

       He forgot to tell the lady that she had to believe in multiple Baptisms (4 presumably), renounce the indult, FSSP and Thuc line ordinations.

    4. Father's corona-hoax assessment, ignored the fact that Americans are finally realizing that our government is constantly lying and trying to kill us.
       He needs to address the Gate's diabolical vaccine issue.  As Catholics, we may not accept it.  
       Any wavering on this point reeks of cowardice and/or a hireling mentality.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #293 on: June 01, 2020, 05:56:57 PM »
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  • You’re using articles from a man who hates ALL real Traditionalists to attack the Society. Pathetic
    Direct your anger at the  perverts and their enablers.   
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #295 on: June 15, 2020, 04:16:01 PM »
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  • Direct your anger at the  perverts and their enablers.  
    That’s right because much of the laity condoned it by worshipping the priest instead of God.   
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #296 on: June 15, 2020, 04:17:31 PM »
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  • How many cases of rape and molestations?  
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #297 on: June 15, 2020, 05:51:39 PM »
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  • That’s right because much of the laity condoned it by worshipping the priest instead of God.  

    That's the same garbage Voris is spouting.  There's no evidence that anyone condoned pederasty.  If some people, in an excess of loyalty to a given priest or to the Society, wrongly found the charges not to be credible, that's a different issue altogether.  There no truth to your assertion that "much" of the laity condones pederasty.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #298 on: June 15, 2020, 05:53:38 PM »
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  • Direct your anger at the  perverts and their enablers.  

    You too are posing a false dilemma, that if you do not believe everything that Voris spouts, then it must mean that you are a supporter of perverts.  It's not an all or nothing proposition either.  There appears to be merit in SOME of the allegations made by Voris, while others are pure trash.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #299 on: June 19, 2020, 11:03:20 AM »
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  •  IMO, if anyone with the SSPX should have been consecrated a bishop, it's Fr. Jenkins.
    Agreed.
    Maybe he still will get consecrated. But, it will be even better now because he is NOT with the SSPX any longer.