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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #265 on: April 28, 2020, 04:10:13 PM »
Quote from: pnw1994 on April 28, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
It is clear to me that a few of the members here (one in particular) have a serious ax to grind with the Society, to the extent that they have already accepted the veracity of every single one of the many allegations contained in CM's report, unquestioningly and without hesitation.

To the extent that we unquestioningly accept the entirety of CM's report without waiting patiently for the Society to respond (when they are legally able to do so), we embrace the rabid mentality of the #MeToo movement, thinking with emotion rather than reason.

To me, this isn't really even about CM's history of circulating false, anti-SSPX canards, or their relationship with Opus Dei. The fact is that charity and prudence DEMAND that we consider both sides of the story, which, again, we cannot at the present moment do because the Society has likely been gag-ordered by the courts. To accept wholesale every allegation Church Militant has made would demonstrate a serious lack of judgement in the same way that accepting, without reservation, the Society's explanations.

Sam Smith literally insinuated that you were soft on pederast priests simply because you wouldn't tar and feather the SSPX or accept without hesitation information that you read on the internet. To debate with someone so driven by emotion is pointless.

Does the Society have a lot of explaining to do? Oh yeah.
Are many parts of Church Militant's report concerning? You bet.
Has the Society's response thus far appeared unconvincing? You could argue so.
Should we, with reckless abandon, join with Voris in shredding the Society before they've had the chance to respond? Nope.

Well put.
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Offline Prayerful

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #266 on: April 28, 2020, 04:18:29 PM »
One of the key figures in the story, Jassy Jacas was considered not credible by police, nor by the Society. Michael Voris is bankrolled by semi-trad elements who loath the SSPX, besides Caroll, probably Opus Dei. His subscribers numbers are plunging, so he's reliant on funders and the hope this gambit will gain new subs.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #267 on: April 28, 2020, 04:35:21 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 28, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
Correct.  He's trying to attack the entire movement.  That does not mean he can tear it down.

Correct. There is no proof that he can.

But if the overwhelming majority of posters in this thread did believe that he can't, they wouldn't get upset but rather laugh about fαɢɢօt Voris.

Why get upset if you think Voris has got nothing substantial?
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Offline Sam Smith

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #268 on: April 28, 2020, 07:25:38 PM »
Quote from: pnw1994 on April 28, 2020, 03:25:34 PM

Does the Society have a lot of explaining to do? Oh yeah.
Are many parts of Church Militant's report concerning? You bet.
Has the Society's response thus far appeared unconvincing? You could argue so.
Should we, with reckless abandon, join with Voris in shredding the Society before they've had the chance to respond? Nope.
Fr. Wegner, is that you??
I say this to demonstrate the treatment I've been given here simply for believing Voris's reporting. People literally asked if I am Michael Voris.

So...what was it that you were saying about emotion again?

This story is not new, it is actually a long-simmering one.

The fact that I believe Voris has exactly what evidence he says he does (after a 4 month investigation) has to do with the Society's previous handling of the its abuse scandals in 2015 and 2017, which happen to track precisely with the response Jassy Jacas got from the Society in January 2020.
The Society is not owed a "benefit of the doubt" by anyone when they have demonstrated a total inability to take responsibility FOR YEARS. For me, their "benefit of the doubt" card was used up long ago on their first sex abuse debacle.

They have now released not one, not two, not three, but FOUR poorly-conceived public statements that dig the hole deeper for themselves. 
My opinion is formed solely by their actions/inactions and their words in response to the evidence revealed. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #269 on: April 28, 2020, 07:32:09 PM »
Quote from: Struthio on April 28, 2020, 04:35:21 PM
Correct. There is no proof that he can.

But if the overwhelming majority of posters in this thread did believe that he can't, they wouldn't get upset but rather laugh about fαɢɢօt Voris.

Why get upset if you think Voris has got nothing substantial?

Voris can still do a lot of damage ... for which he'll need to answer to God.
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