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Author Topic: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse  (Read 46188 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #260 on: April 28, 2020, 01:09:48 PM »
You said: "But Voris is trying to leverage this into an attack on the entire Traditional Catholic movement."

Correct.  He's trying to attack the entire movement.  That does not mean he can tear it down.  Those are two different things.  Just like people use the pederasty scandal to attack the Church as a whole, that does not mean they can cause the Church to defect.

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #261 on: April 28, 2020, 01:59:06 PM »
 He's trying to attack the entire movement.  
The SSPX is not the "entire movement."
He's attacking the coverup in the SSPX. The SSPX is not all of Tradition.

It isn't going to destroy the entire SSPX, any more than the Boston Globe's breaking of the abuse story in 2002 destroyed the Church. It has taken YEARS for the investigations to take place. The PA Grand Jury report came out in 2018 - sixteen years after the story came out.

There are some parishes that were shut down in the Novus Ordo and some dioceses that were bankrupted by abuse payouts. That is just an inconvenience to those who attended them because they had to find a new parish to go to, but it's better than continuing to let kids get molested.

The same could happen for the SSPX. Maybe there will be a few less priests, because some go to jail. Maybe some satellite parishes end. Nobody knows where this will all go in the end.


Offline Meg

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #262 on: April 28, 2020, 02:21:52 PM »
The same could happen for the SSPX. Maybe there will be a few less priests, because some go to jail. Maybe some satellite parishes end. Nobody knows where this will all go in the end.

Where are you hoping that it will go?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #263 on: April 28, 2020, 02:23:29 PM »
The SSPX is not the "entire movement."

Did you bother to watch the video you're promoting?  He made several derogatory comments about Traditional Catholics in general.

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #264 on: April 28, 2020, 03:25:34 PM »
Did you bother to watch the video you're promoting?  He made several derogatory comments about Traditional Catholics in general.

It is clear to me that a few of the members here (one in particular) have a serious ax to grind with the Society, to the extent that they have already accepted the veracity of every single one of the many allegations contained in CM's report, unquestioningly and without hesitation. 

To the extent that we unquestioningly accept the entirety of CM's report without waiting patiently for the Society to respond (when they are legally able to do so), we embrace the rabid mentality of the #MeToo movement, thinking with emotion rather than reason.

To me, this isn't really even about CM's history of circulating false, anti-SSPX canards, or their relationship with Opus Dei. The fact is that charity and prudence DEMAND that we consider both sides of the story, which, again, we cannot at the present moment do because the Society has likely been gag-ordered by the courts. To accept wholesale every allegation Church Militant has made would demonstrate a serious lack of judgement in the same way that accepting, without reservation, the Society's explanations. 

Sam Smith literally insinuated that you were soft on pederast priests simply because you wouldn't tar and feather the SSPX or accept without hesitation information that you read on the internet. To debate with someone so driven by emotion is pointless.

Does the Society have a lot of explaining to do? Oh yeah.
Are many parts of Church Militant's report concerning? You bet.
Has the Society's response thus far appeared unconvincing? You could argue so.
Should we, with reckless abandon, join with Voris in shredding the Society before they've had the chance to respond? Nope.