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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #255 on: April 28, 2020, 06:09:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on April 27, 2020, 10:07:12 PM
    I was referring to those gassing and soap fables only. But since acordistas are in accord with the modernist Noahide masons including the Scribe Escriba, yes, that's what I say.

    But that would mean you contradict yourself then Strut?


    Because in a recent post, you asked, “What are the signs that the SSPX has gone masonic?”


    I replied that the zionist operative Max Krah discovered in the upper echelons of  Menzingen and the $100 million Jaidhoff donation were clear signs of it.


    If you say the SSPX is teaching h0Ɩ0cαųstianity, Noehidism and endorsing Opus judei, then prove it.


    We proved Voris was doing such.


    In the case of the SSPX, there is still some validly ordained priests, we hope.


    In the case if of Voris, it’s just an old show-boat homo reading an Opus Dei script in front of a camera.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #256 on: April 28, 2020, 06:43:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 28, 2020, 06:09:49 AM
    But that would mean you contradict yourself then Strut?


    Because in a recent post, you asked, “What are the signs that the SSPX has gone masonic?”

    I didn't ask that. Must have been someone else.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #257 on: April 28, 2020, 08:53:04 AM »
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    • Can anybody confirm whether Fr. Stephen Abraham and Fr. Phillipe Peignot are still active priests in the Bp Williamsons and Bp. Faure's resistance group?  If they are, then why have the bishops not removed them .  For that matter, why did they even let them enter after they were found guilty. Looks like cover ups all over the place.  No group is pure for sure.  Very sad. No wonder why God has pretty much taken the mass away from us world wide with this covid 19.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #258 on: April 28, 2020, 12:27:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: madwoman on April 28, 2020, 08:53:04 AM
    Can anybody confirm whether Fr. Stephen Abraham and Fr. Phillipe Peignot are still active priests in the Bp Williamsons and Bp. Faure's resistance group?  If they are, then why have the bishops not removed them .  For that matter, why did they even let them enter after they were found guilty. Looks like cover ups all over the place.  No group is pure for sure.  Very sad. No wonder why God has pretty much taken the mass away from us world wide with this covid 19.
    Yes, Fr. Abraham lives in Broadstairs with Bp. Williamson. I don't know if he gives public Masses anymore or not. I'll have to ask. 

    Fr. Peignot is probably still in France at his chapel of Bp. Faure's because there were no consequences for either of these men in 2017, but you'd have to ask someone in France to be more precise and current.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #259 on: April 28, 2020, 12:33:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 26, 2020, 11:44:53 AM
    I'm fine with that, Jaynek.
    Thanks.  I wanted to let you know that your posts are being appreciated on the other forum.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #260 on: April 28, 2020, 01:09:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on April 27, 2020, 08:27:28 PM
    You said: "But Voris is trying to leverage this into an attack on the entire Traditional Catholic movement."

    Correct.  He's trying to attack the entire movement.  That does not mean he can tear it down.  Those are two different things.  Just like people use the pederasty scandal to attack the Church as a whole, that does not mean they can cause the Church to defect.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #261 on: April 28, 2020, 01:59:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 28, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
     He's trying to attack the entire movement.  
    The SSPX is not the "entire movement."
    He's attacking the coverup in the SSPX. The SSPX is not all of Tradition.

    It isn't going to destroy the entire SSPX, any more than the Boston Globe's breaking of the abuse story in 2002 destroyed the Church. It has taken YEARS for the investigations to take place. The PA Grand Jury report came out in 2018 - sixteen years after the story came out.

    There are some parishes that were shut down in the Novus Ordo and some dioceses that were bankrupted by abuse payouts. That is just an inconvenience to those who attended them because they had to find a new parish to go to, but it's better than continuing to let kids get molested.

    The same could happen for the SSPX. Maybe there will be a few less priests, because some go to jail. Maybe some satellite parishes end. Nobody knows where this will all go in the end.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #262 on: April 28, 2020, 02:21:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on April 28, 2020, 01:59:06 PM
    The same could happen for the SSPX. Maybe there will be a few less priests, because some go to jail. Maybe some satellite parishes end. Nobody knows where this will all go in the end.

    Where are you hoping that it will go?
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #263 on: April 28, 2020, 02:23:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on April 28, 2020, 01:59:06 PM
    The SSPX is not the "entire movement."

    Did you bother to watch the video you're promoting?  He made several derogatory comments about Traditional Catholics in general.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #264 on: April 28, 2020, 03:25:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 28, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
    Did you bother to watch the video you're promoting?  He made several derogatory comments about Traditional Catholics in general.

    It is clear to me that a few of the members here (one in particular) have a serious ax to grind with the Society, to the extent that they have already accepted the veracity of every single one of the many allegations contained in CM's report, unquestioningly and without hesitation. 

    To the extent that we unquestioningly accept the entirety of CM's report without waiting patiently for the Society to respond (when they are legally able to do so), we embrace the rabid mentality of the #MeToo movement, thinking with emotion rather than reason.

    To me, this isn't really even about CM's history of circulating false, anti-SSPX canards, or their relationship with Opus Dei. The fact is that charity and prudence DEMAND that we consider both sides of the story, which, again, we cannot at the present moment do because the Society has likely been gag-ordered by the courts. To accept wholesale every allegation Church Militant has made would demonstrate a serious lack of judgement in the same way that accepting, without reservation, the Society's explanations. 

    Sam Smith literally insinuated that you were soft on pederast priests simply because you wouldn't tar and feather the SSPX or accept without hesitation information that you read on the internet. To debate with someone so driven by emotion is pointless.

    Does the Society have a lot of explaining to do? Oh yeah.
    Are many parts of Church Militant's report concerning? You bet.
    Has the Society's response thus far appeared unconvincing? You could argue so.
    Should we, with reckless abandon, join with Voris in shredding the Society before they've had the chance to respond? Nope.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #265 on: April 28, 2020, 04:10:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: pnw1994 on April 28, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
    It is clear to me that a few of the members here (one in particular) have a serious ax to grind with the Society, to the extent that they have already accepted the veracity of every single one of the many allegations contained in CM's report, unquestioningly and without hesitation.

    To the extent that we unquestioningly accept the entirety of CM's report without waiting patiently for the Society to respond (when they are legally able to do so), we embrace the rabid mentality of the #MeToo movement, thinking with emotion rather than reason.

    To me, this isn't really even about CM's history of circulating false, anti-SSPX canards, or their relationship with Opus Dei. The fact is that charity and prudence DEMAND that we consider both sides of the story, which, again, we cannot at the present moment do because the Society has likely been gag-ordered by the courts. To accept wholesale every allegation Church Militant has made would demonstrate a serious lack of judgement in the same way that accepting, without reservation, the Society's explanations.

    Sam Smith literally insinuated that you were soft on pederast priests simply because you wouldn't tar and feather the SSPX or accept without hesitation information that you read on the internet. To debate with someone so driven by emotion is pointless.

    Does the Society have a lot of explaining to do? Oh yeah.
    Are many parts of Church Militant's report concerning? You bet.
    Has the Society's response thus far appeared unconvincing? You could argue so.
    Should we, with reckless abandon, join with Voris in shredding the Society before they've had the chance to respond? Nope.

    Well put.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #266 on: April 28, 2020, 04:18:29 PM »
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    • One of the key figures in the story, Jassy Jacas was considered not credible by police, nor by the Society. Michael Voris is bankrolled by semi-trad elements who loath the SSPX, besides Caroll, probably Opus Dei. His subscribers numbers are plunging, so he's reliant on funders and the hope this gambit will gain new subs.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #267 on: April 28, 2020, 04:35:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 28, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
    Correct.  He's trying to attack the entire movement.  That does not mean he can tear it down.

    Correct. There is no proof that he can.

    But if the overwhelming majority of posters in this thread did believe that he can't, they wouldn't get upset but rather laugh about fαɢɢօt Voris.

    Why get upset if you think Voris has got nothing substantial?
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #268 on: April 28, 2020, 07:25:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: pnw1994 on April 28, 2020, 03:25:34 PM

    Does the Society have a lot of explaining to do? Oh yeah.
    Are many parts of Church Militant's report concerning? You bet.
    Has the Society's response thus far appeared unconvincing? You could argue so.
    Should we, with reckless abandon, join with Voris in shredding the Society before they've had the chance to respond? Nope.
    Fr. Wegner, is that you??
    I say this to demonstrate the treatment I've been given here simply for believing Voris's reporting. People literally asked if I am Michael Voris.

    So...what was it that you were saying about emotion again?

    This story is not new, it is actually a long-simmering one.

    The fact that I believe Voris has exactly what evidence he says he does (after a 4 month investigation) has to do with the Society's previous handling of the its abuse scandals in 2015 and 2017, which happen to track precisely with the response Jassy Jacas got from the Society in January 2020.
    The Society is not owed a "benefit of the doubt" by anyone when they have demonstrated a total inability to take responsibility FOR YEARS. For me, their "benefit of the doubt" card was used up long ago on their first sex abuse debacle.

    They have now released not one, not two, not three, but FOUR poorly-conceived public statements that dig the hole deeper for themselves. 
    My opinion is formed solely by their actions/inactions and their words in response to the evidence revealed. 
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #269 on: April 28, 2020, 07:32:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on April 28, 2020, 04:35:21 PM
    Correct. There is no proof that he can.

    But if the overwhelming majority of posters in this thread did believe that he can't, they wouldn't get upset but rather laugh about fαɢɢօt Voris.

    Why get upset if you think Voris has got nothing substantial?

    Voris can still do a lot of damage ... for which he'll need to answer to God.
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