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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #210 on: April 26, 2020, 12:51:17 PM »
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  • Let the law, and not hysteria,take its course. In the meantime boys and girls, wear your face masks AND chastity belts.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #211 on: April 26, 2020, 02:44:44 PM »
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  • Yes, there was likely mismanagement. But like Voris, TIA has an ax to grind against the SSPX, and always has done, and so neither is a good source for an honest account of the situation.

    Thank you for the underhand, slow speed, softball pitch Meg.


    TIA has had it out for the SSPX mainly for their laxness in doctrinal issues.  The theological, non Catholic origins of the docuмents of the Vatican II Council being TIA’s main area of expertise.


    The SSPX bishops contend that they can accept their theological basis, to some extent.

    Bp. Bernard Fellay is on record for saying he bought 95% of it.

    This begs the question: Was the SSPX designed to be the “controlled opposition”?


    If the SSPX was not controlled from it’s early years, we know it is now.


    Voris is one crypto spokesman for the Opus Dei. He’s controlled opposition and Theologically he’s all over the map.  

    Last year, Voris was suddenly a Feeneyite!  

    His gαy history, allows him to be flexible to be whatever the neo-trad world wants him to be?  :jester:


    So, when Voris, with all his high-tech hardware and media funding runs a campaign against the SSPX, we know someone else is driving it.


    It could be a simple case of Opus Judei protecting it’s Vatican turf.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #212 on: April 26, 2020, 02:47:11 PM »
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  • I agree.  This is not some simple binary proposition, where someone has to either completely agree with Voris or completely agree with the SSPX.  Truth, as St Augustine said, usually lies somewhere in the middle.
    Well said. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #213 on: April 26, 2020, 02:55:15 PM »
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  • Mr. Voris has shown himself to be rather biased and hostile towards the SSPX during the last few years. Regardless of whether these allegations are true or not, and I pray they are not, I would highly caution against using Church Militant as a source for the investigation of the accusations simply because they are not impartial.

    I pray for all those wrongly accused in the SSPX and for all who are truly victims.
    Wonder is the desire for knowledge

    St. Thomas Aquinas

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #214 on: April 26, 2020, 11:16:51 PM »
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  • SSPX just released their third statement:

    https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/statement-future-transparency-and-official-communiques-57717

    A Statement on Future Transparency and Official Communiques

    On April 23 and 24, 2020, the U.S. District of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) reiterated its commitment to full transparency regarding sɛҳuąƖ abuse and impropriety committed by current and former Society clergy, religious, and employees. This statement is being made to clarify the content and timeline of future transparency statements.
    Since Friday, the U.S. District has received a voluminous number of e-mails, phone calls, and social media posts regarding its commitment to transparency, including additional information regarding allegations of abuse. In order to ensure the highest degree of feasible accuracy, the U.S. District is working through the information it has in order to verify its reliability while also cooperating with the appropriate legal authorities to verify which cases the District can comment on at this time.
    The SSPX recognizes that the faithful are eager for more information. Unfortunately, it is not possible for the U.S. District to establish a set timetable right now. Please be assured that the U.S. District is working as quickly as possible to compile all relevant information. In order to help it achieve this goal, if you or anyone you know has information regarding potential abuse perpetrated by a SSPX priest, religious, or employee, please do not hesitate to contact one or more of the civil or ecclesiastical outlets referenced in the Society’s April 24, 2020 statement, “Toward Transparency, Repentance, and Healing.”
    Official Responses Only Come From the District
    The U.S. District of the SSPX is aware that a statement related to allegations of sɛҳuąƖ impropriety was released by one of its priories. The U.S. District wishes to stress in no uncertain terms that the only official statements regarding sɛҳuąƖ abuse and impropriety emanate directly from the U.S. District on its official website. Any statements originating from individual priests, chapels, or priories are not the official position of the SSPX and should be not be interpreted as such. Those uncertain if a statement is official or not should contact the U.S. District.
    The SSPX appreciates your patience and encourages all the faithful to continue to pray for the victims of sɛҳuąƖ abuse.
     


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #215 on: April 26, 2020, 11:36:02 PM »
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  • I think some of you were asking for Church Militant to provide the emails from the SSPX.

    Looks like Christine Niles has obliged you.

    https://twitter.com/ChristineNiles1/status/1254255216129687553/photo/1


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #216 on: April 27, 2020, 12:08:22 AM »
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  • Michael Voris did another "Vortex" on the story.

    He addresses the SSPX's statement and challenges them to sue him, which he says they will not.

    He says there is much more to come, and the SSPX's "statement dude" is going to be "very busy."

    The SSPX has started a battle it seems they will lose. 

    Full transcript of video at link:

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-you-call-that-a-response

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #217 on: April 27, 2020, 12:50:31 AM »
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  • Let's start with the basic understanding that no matter where you go, the Crisis will not go away completely. The SSPX certainly would have less of it than the NO, and the Resistance less than all of them, but there is still the matter of Fr. Abraham with Bishop Williamson. I haven't heard of any updates on that particular case, although I can say I never felt like it was handled properly. Do these scandals invalidate the TLM? Not by a mile, but it does affect our credibility in general and those bishops responsible in particular.

    But coming from Christine Niles, that noble single mother convert who would do anything to bolster this fake Trad news operation, is rich. That her boss is Voris, who is one of the biggest fraud shills in Trad history (somewhere behind Malachi Martin), is a sick joke. Gary Voris, who did everything in his power to snuggle up to the SSPX-aligned trads until it became imperative that no one criticize the Pope, even though that is exactly what the society was forced to do once the consecrations took place in '88 (not so much now). He has never had his feet held to the fire when it comes to the blatant contradictory timeline he set up for himself. How after 20 years as a non-practicing pansɛҳuąƖ cohabitator he converted when his mother died, yet he began making the rounds as a Catholic speaker in Michigan months before that happened. How there is no supporting evidence he ever worked as a news anchor/journalist. How he still has "Retreats at Sea" for young men when by all accounts that is precisely the last thing he should be overseeing. Then you have his wonderful wardrobe: the pink shirts, the pink ties, the matching vests and hats, the unbuttoned shirts with no t-shirts, the tank tops, the shirts that are too small for him. Then it's the permanent blond mop toupee. Every ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ may not be a pedophile (only a matter of time and effort), but they are textbook narcissists. Narcissism has always been on full display with Voris from the very beginning. 

    He's still a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, he's still a liar, but unfortunately the SSPX has not proven beyond all doubt that their organization isn't prone to the same disastrous mistakes when it comes to the occasional priest with a major impurity problem. I won't ever forget what happened at Post Falls and how many times it could have been caught by those in charge. So the rest of us have to bear the burden the Society wouldn't and now we have to hear about it from our enemies. It's the curse that keeps on cursing, but a blessing still if we can get through it. 
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #218 on: April 27, 2020, 02:07:29 AM »
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  • Read this link. It points out how much of Voris' story is manufactured hogwash.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #219 on: April 27, 2020, 06:29:32 AM »
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  • Let's start with the basic understanding that no matter where you go, the Crisis will not go away completely. The SSPX certainly would have less of it than the NO, and the Resistance less than all of them, but there is still the matter of Fr. Abraham with Bishop Williamson. I haven't heard of any updates on that particular case, although I can say I never felt like it was handled properly. Do these scandals invalidate the TLM? Not by a mile, but it does affect our credibility in general and those bishops responsible in particular.

    But coming from Christine Niles, that noble single mother convert who would do anything to bolster this fake Trad news operation, is rich. That her boss is Voris, who is one of the biggest fraud shills in Trad history (somewhere behind Malachi Martin), is a sick joke. Gary Voris, who did everything in his power to snuggle up to the SSPX-aligned trads until it became imperative that no one criticize the Pope, even though that is exactly what the society was forced to do once the consecrations took place in '88 (not so much now). He has never had his feet held to the fire when it comes to the blatant contradictory timeline he set up for himself. How after 20 years as a non-practicing pansɛҳuąƖ cohabitator he converted when his mother died, yet he began making the rounds as a Catholic speaker in Michigan months before that happened. How there is no supporting evidence he ever worked as a news anchor/journalist. How he still has "Retreats at Sea" for young men when by all accounts that is precisely the last thing he should be overseeing. Then you have his wonderful wardrobe: the pink shirts, the pink ties, the matching vests and hats, the unbuttoned shirts with no t-shirts, the tank tops, the shirts that are too small for him. Then it's the permanent blond mop toupee. Every ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ may not be a pedophile (only a matter of time and effort), but they are textbook narcissists. Narcissism has always been on full display with Voris from the very beginning.

    He's still a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, he's still a liar, but unfortunately the SSPX has not proven beyond all doubt that their organization isn't prone to the same disastrous mistakes when it comes to the occasional priest with a major impurity problem. I won't ever forget what happened at Post Falls and how many times it could have been caught by those in charge. So the rest of us have to bear the burden the Society wouldn't and now we have to hear about it from our enemies. It's the curse that keeps on cursing, but a blessing still if we can get through it.

    Croix,

    I’m so glad your back posting!


    You summarized the issue in one post.


    Like Obama & Michael were a mockery of American leadership, it strikes me that Voris is a rabbinic mockery of the traditional Catholic movement.


    The goys are so dumb, the rabbis can make a judaizing HIV ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ to have more media influence than the USCCB.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #220 on: April 27, 2020, 09:34:11 AM »
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  •  the rabbis can make a judaizing HIV ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ to have more media influence than the USCCB.
    The USCCB are primarily judaizing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs! 


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #221 on: April 27, 2020, 10:37:50 AM »
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  • https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/04/report-charges-cover-traditionalist-society/


    Who are the three priests?  From this article it appears that one is or was in the society and two are in the resistance group with Bishop Williamson. I pray that none of this is true.  Either way, a very sad day for the Chruch.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #222 on: April 27, 2020, 10:46:27 AM »
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  • https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/04/report-charges-cover-traditionalist-society/


    Who are the three priests?  From this article it appears that one is or was in the society and two are in the resistance group with Bishop Williamson. I pray that none of this is true.  Either way, a very sad day for the Chruch.
    Fr. Stephen Abraham is the one with Bp. Williamson, and Fr. Phillipe Peignot is the one with Bp. Faure in France.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #223 on: April 27, 2020, 11:21:50 AM »
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  • https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/04/report-charges-cover-traditionalist-society/


    Who are the three priests?  From this article it appears that one is or was in the society and two are in the resistance group with Bishop Williamson. I pray that none of this is true.  Either way, a very sad day for the Chruch.
    Do you realize that this is from 2017?

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #224 on: April 27, 2020, 12:08:34 PM »
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  • I think some of you were asking for Church Militant to provide the emails from the SSPX.

    Looks like Christine Niles has obliged you.

    https://twitter.com/ChristineNiles1/status/1254255216129687553/photo/1
    One cherry picked email does not a full disclosure make. Furthermore, this is an email to Jassy, which she presumably provided to Voris, Niles, & Co. It is not the accidental, supposedly-incriminating SSPX leadership damage control correspondence. 

    And Fr. de la Tour’s email, while taken at face value may seem to constitute some kind of condemnation of Fr. Duverger, really does no such thing. Anyone who has ever dealt with the public in a business context knows, the customer is always right. When you have an upset parishioner making serious allegations, it’s not the time or place to go into the justification or not for every individual case. 

    Maybe Fr. Duverger is known to have made multiple inappropriate advances to women. Maybe he made somebody upset and they’re determined to smear his reputation. There’s lots of maybes. But Fr. de la Tour would not phrase himself like that in an email if he were determined to be part of some great “coverup.” 

    I’ve been very disappointed with SSPX leadership in a lot of ways over the last decade, so when I first saw the Voris story I was prepared to think the worst. So far, however, I’ve been surprised. From what we’ve seen, it seems like the SSPX is trying to handle the situation with prudence and tact. You don’t want to upset the accuser (who may be truly a victim, may think she’s a victim and be tilting at windmills, or may have an agenda.) You want to take the allegations as seriously as they seem to warrant. And you want to stay on the right side of the law (which also means not slandering or defaming someone unjustly.) We can’t know the full story, but every detail the accusers (Jassy, Voris, Niles, & Co.) have trotted out so far, either doesn’t hold water, is a rehash of old news, or actually tends to exonerate the Society. All we can do is wait and see what happens next.