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Author Topic: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse  (Read 47180 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #165 on: April 25, 2020, 04:32:39 PM »
And just like that...

Ladislaus and Incredulous went from being Resistance supporters back to being SSPX supporters!

I'm not really aligned with any group.  I tend to lean sedeprivationist (with my own nuanced position), and my analysis of the Voris/CM piece are made in the interests of truth and justice.  There have been ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ infiltrators in just about every group, from Novus Ordo to R&R to SV; it's a scourge afflicting the entire planet.  And the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs (and other abusers) need to be flushed out.  But some innocent priests have also gone down under the weight of false accusations (take Cardinal Pell, for instance).  My first reaction was very negative against Fr. Duverger and Fr. Wegner, but after I had the time to analyze the actual allegations, it just all fell apart, and the nature of this hit-piece became evident.  I still think that Father Wegner botched and mishandled the situation, and should certainly have conducted a formal investigation.  And, even in the case of Fr. Duverger, if others come forward with more substantial evidence than what Jassy had to offer, I'm all ears.

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #166 on: April 25, 2020, 04:34:41 PM »
THIS^^^.  There's some accurate information in there, but it's buried in a bunch of unsubstantiated allegations and insinuations clearly motivated by a disdain for Traditional Catholicism which they cannot help but scatter throughout the obvious hit-piece.
Well, that sounds a little like, "I don't believe Voris because he's a meanie!"

Get over it. He's the only one who took on this fight. Where were you in 2017?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #167 on: April 25, 2020, 04:43:08 PM »
Everybody already knows Voris's bias. He plainly states the SSPX is in schism. His personal opinion on the canonical status of the SSPX does not change his reporting of the facts.

Unfortunately, too much of his video wasn't facts, but, rather, layers of crap into which he sprinkled facts ... in service of his bias (a bias which you here admit).

And it's not at all unlikely that Voris too engaged in various activities that would have put him in handcuffs.  This guy has little humility given his own sordid past.  Bishop Sheen used to say on visits to prisons that "the only difference between you and me is that you got caught."  It's quite possible that the only difference between Voris and those he's attacking is that they got caught and exposed.  It's one thing to expose facts, which should certainly be done, but quite another to present them with such a haughty and cocky attitude.  If I had committed adultery, for instance, and then later caught someone doing the same, I could rebuke him in charity, but it would be the height of hypocrisy to look down my nose at him and call him a scuм for what he did.  I'd be in no position to do so, and Voris is in no position to cop his attitude either.  Unfortunately, he did a great disservice to the objective of rooting out abusers by doing what he did.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #168 on: April 25, 2020, 04:48:11 PM »
Well, that sounds a little like, "I don't believe Voris because he's a meanie!"

Ridiculous.  You're being utterly dishonest, just like Voris was.  I don't believe MUCH of what Voris says because it consists of little more than unsubstantiated allegations and false insinuations.  I believe some of what was in the piece, but much of it was crap.  I evaluate each allegation on its own merits, or lack thereof.  Voris did a great disservice by blending truth with crap.

And, you may have notiiced, I stated that I believe Jassy.  I don't think she made up what she described.  But it's obvious that she put layers of interpretation on top of what she experienced.  Had she stated, "Fr. Duverger fondled me." ... well, then I would have been inclined to believe her.  But what did she actually report?  ... a big nothingburger.

Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #169 on: April 25, 2020, 05:04:10 PM »
This part of the second statement from the SSPX bothers me. It's just more confirmation that they have a modern corporate mind:

At this time the Society was advised by their then legal counsel that they did not have a duty to report the allegations regarding Mr. Sloniker.

They should at least have told their own priests to keep him away from children