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Offline apollo

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2020, 05:06:00 AM »
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  • The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honors and pleasures, and the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
    And most of those priest are in the Vatican, not the SSPX.  

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #46 on: April 23, 2020, 06:10:00 AM »
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  • Yes, Our Lady of LaSalette’s words are most reliable and specifically for ours times, which is the conclusion of the 5th Age of the Church (Bl. Holzhauser).

    Our Lady warned that Rome would become the seat of the anti-Christ.

    Yet, the SSPX Leadership wants to be a part of it?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #47 on: April 23, 2020, 07:14:00 AM »
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  • The report also states that he broke up marriages.  Knowing at how hard he always worked to save and restore couples in the past I can only guess that the disgruntled spouse was leading an immoral life and a danger to the family and children.  Lastly, he would never...NEVER...recommend a “Divorce”...perhaps a physical separation...for physical and spiritual safety...but never a divorce.

    I also know Fr. Novak, and Ekim's assessment above is true. 

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #48 on: April 23, 2020, 07:48:15 AM »
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  • The article is clearly a hit piece. It also double dips, in the sense that several of the names/events are not being 'revealed' by CM, but were already known. I also find the information about Fr Novak out of place. 
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    I did not know about Fr Angeles, although maybe that is just my own ignorance. Nor did I know about a few of the other 'improprieties' the article mentions. 
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    Just because it is a hit piece doesn't mean it isn't correct in its details. Critical thinking, people. Read like adults and show an ability to distinguish between a factual claim that's either true or false (and almost always verifiable) and a narrative claim. CM has the wrong narrative but it seems like they have the right facts.
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #49 on: April 23, 2020, 08:20:32 AM »
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  • Just because it is a hit piece doesn't mean it isn't correct in its details. Critical thinking, people. Read like adults and show an ability to distinguish between a factual claim that's either true or false (and almost always verifiable) and a narrative claim. CM has the wrong narrative but it seems like they have the right facts.
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    It is amazing to me how many Traditional Catholics are completely unaware of the 2017 Swedish film that exposed the predators in the SSPX and Resistance. This is because virtually no one at the time reported on it, and some Traditionalists even tried to bury it. But, the rot must be exposed. And more importantly, the cover-up that has been conducted by the SSPX to hide their rot must be exposed. Unfortunately, it seems the leadership of the SSPX and their PR dept is even more powerful today and works even harder to dodge any responsibility for their mistakes.


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #50 on: April 23, 2020, 08:41:55 AM »
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  • All ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are pederasts. They target young pubescent boys aproximately between the ages of 11-17, precisely because they are desireable, (ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs enshrine "youth") innocent but old enough to sɛҳuąƖly "react". If ,when abused, they do react, the demonic ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predator "chicken hawks" accuse the victim of being "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" anyway, completely destroying the psyche and sɛҳuąƖ identity of the "prey." Many  confused and damaged boys will turn to the sodomite lifestyle at that point. A new "convert' made by abuse , confusion and guilt. It is the worst kind of evil against body and soul. They know exactly what they are doing as they have given their souls over to their own wickedness as St Paul says.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #51 on: April 23, 2020, 08:56:37 AM »
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  • Oh sorry- this was what I was responding to in the post above.

    Quote from: Last Tradhican on Yesterday at 02:11:05 PM
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    Don't let anyone fool you, all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are pedophiles.


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #52 on: April 23, 2020, 09:37:16 AM »
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  • Churches will be locked up. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

     Woe to the priests and to those dedicated to God who by their unfaithfulness and their wicked lives are crucifying my Son again! Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
     
     For there is no one left to beg mercy and forgiveness for the people. There are no more generous souls; there is no one left worthy of offering a stainless sacrifice to the Eternal for the sake of the world. OurLadyofLaSalette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
     
     There will be bloody wars and famines, plagues and infectious diseases.Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
     
     “The earth will be struck by calamities of all kinds (in addition to plague and famine which will be wide-spread). Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)


    The sins of those dedicated to God cry out towards Heaven and call for vengeance, and now vengeance is at their door. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
     
     The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honors and pleasures, and the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #53 on: April 23, 2020, 09:41:32 AM »
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  • That having been said, Last Tradhican said it best:


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    A broken clock is 100% accurate 2 times a day. The article involves few people, priests and  laymen, however, as far as convicted criminals there are very few priests mentioned considering the 50 years covered. Is it any surprise that there are a few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in the SSPX?
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    Is it any surprise that a heterosɛҳuąƖ priest would be tempted to seduce a teenage girl or a young wife? Voris had to pad the article with bad lay parishioners and also with priests who did nothing but squelch what they thought was detractions. Filter out just the priest convicted of crimes and you are left with I think 5 priests at most. To dismiss the article altogether is a big mistake, but it is ridiculous to blow this up as if 5 or 8 SSPX priests ( from 600+) is anything like the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ plague in the Novus Ordo sect. Read the article in total and split out SSPX priests from laymen, and accused priest from priest who did not want to detract, and you are left with only a few bad eggs. Is it any surprise that there are a few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in the SSPX? Is it any surprise that a heterosɛҳuąƖ priest would be tempted to seduce a teenage or older woman?

    The Bottom Line that I get from the OP article is: pay attention your children and do not idolize priests as if they are gods.


    And what I said could have easily been said by the SSPX hierarchy, however, they will not, because they have become political intriguers. They have been playing politicians for so long now in their shadowy work with the Vatican II religion, that they have to cover for their lies, their "the end justifies the means" method of working. I on the other hand, have nothing to hide because I live by the motto that "you can't ever lie, even to save the World", therefore, I can easily defend myself. I am a real Catholic that LIVES the Faith, they are Catholic politicians afraid of their own shadows. People like that can never answer anything straight.  

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #54 on: April 23, 2020, 01:02:31 PM »
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  • And what I said could have easily been said by the SSPX hierarchy, however, they will not, because they have become political intriguers. They have been playing politicians for so long now in their shadowy work with the Vatican II religion, that they have to cover for their lies, their "the end justifies the means" method of working. I on the other hand, have nothing to hide because I live by the motto that "you can't ever lie, even to save the World", therefore, I can easily defend myself. I am a real Catholic that LIVES the Faith, they are Catholic politicians afraid of their own shadows. People like that can never answer anything straight.  
    Good summary.  There are too many traditional priests that have come to measure by VII sticks thinking themselves good but trying to save themselves and their positions for political or worldly gain.  I found a shorter summary on the subject difficult to argue with.  Can't fix that it comes via Voris, but information out in the open is not a bad thing if it wakes people up to pray for more diligent and faithful shepherds in all corners of the Church.    
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4wtBRD5zw

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #55 on: April 23, 2020, 01:35:11 PM »
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  • Good summary.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4wtBRD5zw



    Like him or not, this is how you hold an organization to account for corruption.

    I would expect the SSPX will be crafting a formal response now. I don't see how they couldn't.


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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #56 on: April 23, 2020, 01:39:42 PM »
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  • Quote

     
     


     
     You are here:

     U.S. District Responds to Church Militant


    On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sɛҳuąƖ abuse and immorality within the Society. This is false, and the SSPX calls on Church Militant to withdraw this slanderous piece of yellow journalism.
    The SSPX’s Commitment to Investigation and Cooperation
    As a primary and essential matter, the SSPX is committed to investigating all allegations of sɛҳuąƖ misconduct by its clergy, religious, and lay employees. The Society also cooperates with all police or other official investigations into said misconduct when it violates the law, whether civil or ecclesiastical. Though no mention of this fact is made in Church Militant’s article, the SSPX publicly informed them of this fact in a press release issued last year. Regrettably, Church Militant failed to make any mention of it. Church Militant also failed to respond to the SSPX after they asked the SSPX questions.
    Instead, Church Militant repeatedly relies on hearsay, conjecture, and factual misstatements to paint the SSPX in a false light. For instance, it alleged that U.S. District Superior Fr. Jurgen Wegner is scheduled to be transferred to Austria later this year “far from the reach of criminal prosecutors[.]” Not only has Fr. Wegner never been investigated, charged, or convicted of any criminal wrongdoing, but the United States has mutual legal assistance treaties with both Austria and the European Union. Any transfer of clergy across borders, which is a routine practice of the Society to carry out its worldwide apostolate, would not place them beyond the law, and Church Militant is wrong to insinuate otherwise and that the transfer has that purpose. Fr. Wegner’s six-year term as District Superior ends in August, and his transfer has been foreseen for months before this hit-piece saw the light of day.
    Similarly, Church Militant implies, without evidence, that there are numerous investigations against SSPX clergy currently underway in the United States. Justice and charity demand that the Society not disclose publicly the nature of any investigations, both to protect the good names of the innocent and the privacy of alleged victims. An accusation is not evidence, and for the SSPX or any other ecclesial or public entity to approach an investigation believing otherwise would lead to more harm than good. When criminal wrongdoing is uncovered, however, the Society’s policy is to refer the matter to the appropriate public authorities.
    Individual Cases of Abuse
    The SSPX does not deny that there have been serious and tragic individual cases of abuse committed by a discrete number of clergy and employees. Some of these cases are decades old, occurring before a time when a number of the SSPX’s districts, including the U.S. District, had the infrastructure in place to readily record, investigate, and report accusations promptly. That situation has since been rectified, and the U.S. District continues to update its internal policies to put them in line with best practices.
    However, Church Militant again implies otherwise, noting, for example, the case of Fr. Frédéric Abbet in Belgium. What Church Militant fails to report is that the Society cooperated with the Belgian authorities and stands by the results of Fr. Abbet’s trial. This is true in other instances as well, though Church Militant neither bothered to report on such matters nor made inquiries on this matter to any official organ of the SSPX.
    Prudence, Not Cover-up
    Through Church Militant’s story, it wishes to expose a culture of coverup in the SSPX. Instead, it exposed its own gross lack of ethics when it took private internal correspondence, which was accidentally sent to it and quoted from it out of context. Even so, as the quoted passages make clear, the discussion did not center on covering up any public wrongdoing but focused instead on how best to respond to Church Militant’s inquiries.
    It is well-known that Church Militant is not a serious journalistic enterprise but a repository of sensationalized stories, hit pieces, and videos featuring the opinions of its controversial founder, Michael Voris. Further, Church Militant has repeatedly used the SSPX’s name to generate web-clicks and revenue while hoping to stoke the fires of public controversy by baiting it into a war of words. Prudence dictates caution when dealing with a tabloid, and we will not be so baited.
    The SSPX is committed to full transparency in all of these cases. We will be releasing detailed responses to every allegation.
      
    Look up the US District's website on the Protection of Children >
     
     
     






    https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #57 on: April 23, 2020, 01:40:31 PM »
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  • Churches will be locked up. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)


    Our Lady of Garabandal said the same thing.

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    « Reply #58 on: April 23, 2020, 01:52:03 PM »
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  • https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641
    In their official response the SSPX wrote:

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    When criminal wrongdoing is uncovered, however, the Society’s policy is to refer the matter to the appropriate public authorities.
    This is blatantly untrue. For example, there are public media reports of how one of Kevin Sloniker's child-victims in Post Falls, ID was reported to Fr. Crane by the parents, and Fr. Crane did NOT report Sloniker to the authorities.
     Sloniker was busted by the police on their own.

    See here from the Spokane newspaper:


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    Another boy said he spent one summer at the Latah farm when he was about 12. Sloniker’s attention escalated to nightly sɛҳuąƖ abuse, and Sloniker also hit him with a whip, he told police.

    Several of those interviewed said they reported their concerns to the priests at Immaculate Conception Church. The boy who said he was whipped by Sloniker said he shared that with Father Patrick Crane. He also told the priest that Sloniker made him strip naked.
    Crane, who now is with another Society of Saint Pius X church – Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix – was interviewed by a detective Sept. 22. He said Sloniker worked with the church camp from 2003 to 2006 and that he did not have any issues with him.

    source link:
    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/oct/26/coeur-dalene-man-jailed-on-1-million-bond-suspecte/

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #59 on: April 23, 2020, 02:50:33 PM »
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  • No fan of Michael Voris, but this particular article was not written by him.

    Well, it's his organization, so I'd be shocked if it wasn't with his blessing or at least permission.