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Offline apollo

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2020, 04:56:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on April 22, 2020, 02:11:05 PM
    Don't let anyone fool you, all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are pedophiles. 
    A pedophile is one who engages in immoral behavior with 
    a prepubescent child, therefore, NOT all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are
    necessarily pedophiles. 
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    The term pedophile is being used too often when it does
    not apply to the situation.  
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #31 on: April 22, 2020, 06:04:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on April 22, 2020, 04:56:17 PM
    A pedophile is one who engages in immoral behavior with
    a prepubescent child, therefore, NOT all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are
    necessarily pedophiles.
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    The term pedophile is being used too often when it does
    not apply to the situation.  
    All true. Nevertheless, a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, a sodomite, is no different than a pedophile, just the same dung in different packaging.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #32 on: April 22, 2020, 06:15:21 PM »
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    • To give the benefit of doubt to the heterosɛҳuąƖ priest Fr. Duverger, who is the subject of 40% of the volume of paragraphs in the OP article. In 2013 he did not really speak English. It may be that he asked for the details in writing because he wanted to translate the confession to understand it fully. Moreover, I do not consider a heterosɛҳuąƖ man losing it for a moment (for no one has accused him of even touching them!) as being in the same ballpark as a man actually committing sodomy.  It is natural for a man to be attracted to young women, that should be no surprise.


    An 80 year old priest was asked by a young priest; "When will I be free of the temptations of girls"? The old priest answered, I'll let you know when I get there. THAT is why I would never let my wife help around a priory, she is too young.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #33 on: April 22, 2020, 06:54:38 PM »
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    • I have spent many years with Fr. K. Novak as my pastor.  I find the allegations against him ABSOLUTELY impossible to believe.  The report says that during his secret meeting he advised the boy / couple to report Palmeri to the authorities...isn’t that what he was supposed to do?

    The report also states that he broke up marriages.  Knowing at how hard he always worked to save and restore couples in the past I can only guess that the disgruntled spouse was leading an immoral life and a danger to the family and children.  Lastly, he would never...NEVER...recommend a “Divorce”...perhaps a physical separation...for physical and spiritual safety...but never a divorce.

    I can’t speak for the allegations against other priests but I can say that for close to a decade I have known Fr. Kenneth Novak to be a good, and honorable priest!  
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #34 on: April 22, 2020, 07:30:26 PM »
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    • I just watched the video.
    About the time of 22:20 you see the hit piece on the SSPX.
    You will learn that Archbishop Lefebvre excommunicated himself,
    and the 4 bishops that he consecrated were excommunicated and
    the SSPX is a break-away Catholic group, currently in schism.
    They were suspended a divinis and have no canonical status in
    the church.  
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    That's what you hear from CNN, MSNBC, your local novus ordo
    priest and all the misinformed people.  This gives a false impression
    of the SSPX and most of it is false.  
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    The wording is very misleading.  Christine Niles says, "Fr Novak
    SEDUCED a lady to leave her husband."  The phrase "seduced a lady"
    has very bad implications and implies sɛҳuąƖ misconduct.  It would
    have been more accurate to say, 'Fr. Novak ENCOURAGED a lady ..."
    But as you can see from the past, that accuracy has a very low
    priority at Church Militant, regarding the SSPX.
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    I'm not trying to defend immoral behavior, whatever is found to be
    true.  But I'm definitely opposed to lying in public videos.
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    Yeah, SSPX is in the hot seat.  Anti-Catholics will be happy now as
    they continue aborting 50,000 babies every day around the world.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #35 on: April 22, 2020, 07:52:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: GGMoreno on April 22, 2020, 11:35:40 AM
    I'm not one to defend the Society in terms of scandals, but I'm sure if Voris looked closely, he would find a few in the FSSP or ICKSP. I only wish my memory served me right so I could start rattling them off the top of my head.
    We’ve covered Voris on this forum at length.


    He’s just a reformed HIV ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and a judaizer, who is funded by Opus Dei.


    Opus Dei doesn’t like the SSPX, so they dredged-up all the old sex scandals they could find and released it as “breaking news”.


    I have to admit, I chuckled over Fr. Wegner’s emails debating his best PR responses.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #36 on: April 22, 2020, 07:57:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 22, 2020, 07:52:35 PM
    We’ve covered Voris on this forum at length.


    He’s just a reformed HIV ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and a judaizer, who is funded by Opus Dei.


    Opus Dei doesn’t like the SSPX, so they dredged-up all the old sex scandals they could find and released it as “breaking news”.


    I have to admit, I chuckled over Fr. Wegner’s emails debating his best PR responses.
    Why is everyone shooting the messenger?  Much of this video may sadly be true?
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #37 on: April 22, 2020, 08:45:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on April 22, 2020, 06:54:38 PM
    I can’t speak for the allegations against other priests but I can say that for close to a decade I have known Fr. Kenneth Novak to be a good, and honorable priest!  
    And yet!
    He hasn't joined the Resistance yet. I always thought of him as a good "old school" SSPX priest, but the fact is that I really don't know him or most other priests, and most of us here don't either.

    That having been said, Last Tradhican said it best:


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    A broken clock is 100% accurate 2 times a day. The article involves few people, priests and  laymen, however, as far as convicted criminals there are very few priests mentioned considering the 50 years covered. Is it any surprise that there are a few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in the SSPX?
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    Is it any surprise that a heterosɛҳuąƖ priest would be tempted to seduce a teenage girl or a young wife? Voris had to pad the article with bad lay parishioners and also with priests who did nothing but squelch what they thought was detractions. Filter out just the priest convicted of crimes and you are left with I think 5 priests at most. To dismiss the article altogether is a big mistake, but it is ridiculous to blow this up as if 5 or 8 SSPX priests ( from 600+) is anything like the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ plague in the Novus Ordo sect. Read the article in total and split out SSPX priests from laymen, and accused priest from priest who did not want to detract, and you are left with only a few bad eggs. Is it any surprise that there are a few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in the SSPX? Is it any surprise that a heterosɛҳuąƖ priest would be tempted to seduce a teenage or older woman?

    The Bottom Line that I get from the OP article is: pay attention your children and do not idolize priests as if they are gods.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #38 on: April 22, 2020, 08:56:31 PM »
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    • This thread is heading in the same direction as this one did: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/report-charges-cover-up-of-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-by-traditionalist-society/

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #39 on: April 22, 2020, 09:09:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 22, 2020, 07:52:35 PM
    We’ve covered Voris on this forum at length.


    He’s just a reformed HIV ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and a judaizer, who is funded by Opus Dei.


    Is there anyone on this thread that actually wants to discuss what is reported in the OP?

    Or is this just a Michael Voris bashing thread?

    Does the truth of the material in the OP matter to anyone?
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #40 on: April 22, 2020, 09:17:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on April 22, 2020, 08:56:31 PM
    This thread is heading in the same direction as this one did: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/report-charges-cover-up-of-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-by-traditionalist-society/
    The good news is that CM seems to have individually profiled by name some of the priests that the Swedish docuмentary only gave initials to, including Fr. Stephen Abraham at Broadstairs, and Fr. Philippe Peignot in France.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #41 on: April 22, 2020, 09:33:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on April 22, 2020, 06:54:38 PM
    I have spent many years with Fr. K. Novak as my pastor.  I find the allegations against him ABSOLUTELY impossible to believe.  The report says that during his secret meeting he advised the boy / couple to report Palmeri to the authorities...isn’t that what he was supposed to do?

    The report also states that he broke up marriages.  Knowing at how hard he always worked to save and restore couples in the past I can only guess that the disgruntled spouse was leading an immoral life and a danger to the family and children.  Lastly, he would never...NEVER...recommend a “Divorce”...perhaps a physical separation...for physical and spiritual safety...but never a divorce.

    I can say that for close to a decade I have known Fr. Kenneth Novak to be a good, and honorable priest!  
    I concur, and I know him.
    I don't know why CM included Fr. Kenneth Noak in this story, as he is NOT accused of any abuse, and the only quote available shows that he did believe the victim who reported the abuse by parishioner Peter Palmieri:

    "Kyle White: "Father Novak said that he was not supposed to be talking to me. He agreed that Peter Palmeri needed to be turned in because how pedophiles work, they don't stop, and he was told not to speak with me."

    That says to me Fr. Novak tried to do the right thing, but it sounds like priests above him were calling the shots.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #42 on: April 22, 2020, 09:43:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on April 22, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
    Why is everyone shooting the messenger?  Much of this video may sadly be true?

    Most of us have heard these stories over 10 years ago.   They are bad, but somewhat isolated incidents.  


    Managing 700+ priests in an international network is not easy.


    If we want to criticize the SSPX for anything, it’s Menzingen’s unwillingness and incompetence to take action against the perpetrators.


    The SSPX has many more problems concerning the Faith, more serious than old sex scandals.


    But shooting Voris is okay too, cause Opus Dei represents Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ inside the Church. 
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #43 on: April 22, 2020, 10:15:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on April 22, 2020, 09:09:02 PM
    Is there anyone on this thread that actually wants to discuss what is reported in the OP?

    Or is this just a Michael Voris bashing thread?

    Does the truth of the material in the OP matter to anyone?
    Christine, et al. ?
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #44 on: April 23, 2020, 04:16:50 AM »
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    • The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honors and pleasures, and the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
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