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Offline trad123

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #270 on: April 28, 2020, 08:22:16 PM »
Why get upset if you think Voris has got nothing substantial?

Sermons of the Cure of Ars



Fourth Sunday of Advent – Penance

http://gardenofmary.com/fourth-sunday-of-advent-penance/


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After we have made satisfaction to God, we must make satisfaction to our neighbor for the wrong which we have done him, in soul and body. I say for the wrong that we have done to his body, that is to say to his person, by speaking of him in an abusive and contemptuous way, or by insulting him by our malicious actions. If we have had the misfortune to offend him by our abusive talk, we must ask his pardon, and become reconciled with him. If you have assailed the honor of your neighbor, for instance, by speaking ill of him you are obliged to speak of his good qualities, as you have spoken about his bad ones. If you have calumniated him, you must seek out all those persons in whose presence you have spoken falsely about him, and tell them that all you said about your neighbor was not true; that you are very sorry about it, and that you beg them not to believe it. If you have wronged him in regard to his soul, that is far more difficult to make good; however, you must do what you possibly can, or you will not obtain forgiveness from God.


Eleventh Sunday After Pentecost – Detraction

http://gardenofmary.com/eleventh-sunday-after-pentecost-detractio/


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When we impute something bad to our neighbor which he has not committed, a defect which he does not possess, we commit calumny; a most detestable act, which unfortunately, and in spite of its great wrong, is very common. This is not detraction, it is more sinful, but from detraction to calumny is only a small step. If we are honest, we must admit that we invariably add something to, or magnify the bad which we know of our neighbor. A slanderous story that has passed from tongue to tongue, no longer resembles that which was said at first, it has been so much engrossed and aggravated; from which fact we must conclude that a detractor is almost invariably also a calumniator, and a calumniator is a very wicked person.

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To speak badly of persons consecrated to God, of the servants of the church, is a much greater sin on account of the lamentable results to religion and of the detriment to their position. The Holy Ghost speaking by the mouth of the prophet says: “To abuse and revile His (the Holy Ghost's) servants is to touch the apple of His eye”; that means nothing can offend Him more. This sin consequently is a crime, the enormity of which surpasses all comprehension. Christ also said: “Whosoever despises you, despises me.”




Offline Tradman

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #271 on: April 28, 2020, 08:42:31 PM »
It seems people are not actually discussing the issues, but have resorted to attacking persons, which on its face suggests they are afraid that the details won't favor their position.        


Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #272 on: April 28, 2020, 09:17:32 PM »
It seems people are not actually discussing the issues, but have resorted to attacking persons, which on its face suggests they are afraid that the details won't favor their position.        

At issue is a sex scandal media campaign launched by Church Militant.

The first question posed:

Do you believe the veracity of the campaigners, when they also promote:

1.  The h0Ɩ0h0αx.
2.  The Noehide laws.
3.  The Opus Dei 




Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #273 on: April 29, 2020, 01:33:21 PM »
It seems to me that if our SSPX & Resistance superiors/bishops were actually good shepherds they would have immediately given those perverts the choice of being defrocked or living out their vocations somewhere like Papa Stronsay. (Not leaving them to minister to the faithful like wolves in sheep's clothing, or keeping them as housekeepers who are allowed out amongst the flock.) All these years I defended them with "We don't have perverts like the NO". Silly me.

Offline Tradman

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #274 on: April 29, 2020, 02:45:23 PM »
At issue is a sex scandal media campaign launched by Church Militant.

The first question posed:

Do you believe the veracity of the campaigners, when they also promote:

1.  The h0Ɩ0h0αx.
2.  The Noehide laws.
3.  The Opus Dei
While it may be helpful to know where Church Militant stands on the issues listed, it don't answer the bigger questions: Does CM have the evidence to prove their claims against the SSPX? Is everyone on this thread certain there are zero abusers in the SSPX? Is it impossible that every single priest/bishop in the SSPX would ever cover up abuse, either through malice or really bad judgement that demands correction?  We should ask the same questions of those launching personal attacks on CI that we ask CM because abuse happens kind of a lot these days. If it's true, heads should roll.  And if there are victims, they need our support. Conversely, if CM is lying, all the snarky comments won't bother him a bit.  If he can't prove his allegations, his head would need to roll.