Author Topic: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse (Read 46237 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #235 on:** April 27, 2020, 05:24:32 PM »

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 05:09:16 PM

As I recall, (may not have the dates precisely) but there was a man in the UK by the name of Greg Taylor who first sounded the alarm about the predator priest in the Resistance in the UK, maybe around 2015. Taylor wanted the priest removed from the Resistance Mass circuit where he had access to kids. I believe people tarred and feathered him and called him a liar, much like what is happening here to Voris, and me (by extension) for discussing it.

Again you present a false dilemma, a non-existent binary, of believing everything Voris says and dismissing everything as lies. No one here says that everything Voris said was without merit. We're simply sifting through all the crud he layered on top of it all in an attempt to distinguish between factual information that needs to be addressed and dishonest propaganda. We are also questioning his motives. Taylor was dealing with a single case, while Voris made a series of allegations, giving the impression that he was slinging excrement against a wall to see how much of it would stick.

Meg · « **Reply #236 on:** April 27, 2020, 05:46:11 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 27, 2020, 05:19:28 PM

Like Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones, Voris spotted a business opportunity, by filling a vacuum, to become a voice for all frustrated conservative-minded Catholics. So Voris rants and raves to allow his listeners to experience an emotional release of their frustration. This kind of thing can actually neutralize opposition to a point, as his listeners experience a kind of catharsis of their frustration by just listening to him, as they rise up out of their easy chairs pumping their fists in agreement, and then slouch back down satisfied and relieved.

I was thinking along the same lines. People are so glad that Voris has done his expose on the SSPX (or whatever expose he's doing at the time), that they won't really follow through to see if anything will be done about the situation. As you say, it fills a vacuum, to become a voice for frustrated conservative-minded Catholics. And Voris will just move on to his next expose, and his fans will be happy that he's exposing the rot in the Church. But will this method actually solve problems and get rid of the rot?

Here on the forum, some of the cases that Voris has described have been thoroughly discussed in the past. There's more of an interest here in trying to get to the bottom of the situation, and there are quite a few different perspectives offered on a given issue, which helps. Voris just wants to do an expose, maybe in order to bring evil to the light of day, then move on. But that's not how the Church works. Real human beings are involved, and as such, situations tend to be complicated. That's why honesty and integrity, with a view to Justice, rather than selling airtime, is important. I don't see that Voris' expose on the SSPX has caused the SSPX to be honest and upfront about the issues. So maybe something is missing in Voris' tactics or handling or the situation.

pnw1994 · « **Reply #237 on:** April 27, 2020, 05:59:09 PM »

Not sure whether this has been mentioned yet in any of the many threads on this topic currently circulating through this forum, but in its most recent communique, the U.S. District wrote:

"[T]he U.S. District is working through the information it has in order to verify its reliability while also cooperating with the appropriate legal authorities to verify which cases the District can comment on at this time."

Ongoing legal investigations are generally subject to gag-orders. For Voris (and a number of posters on here) to rail against the SSPX for a perceived lack of response is jumping the gun, in my opinion. Yes, the Society's responses may appear lacklustre but no poster on here has any of the facts: namely that the SSPX is likely not at legal liberty to defend themselves in the court of public opinion just now, or even to admit to the full extent of their wrongdoing, or to ask for forgiveness, etc.

In my opinion, CM's most recent response 'You Call That A Response?' was in poor taste. CM published the report, they should wait until any ongoing legal investigations are concluded and the Society can respond properly. Until then, they've essentially backed the Society in between a rock and a hard place and are hitting them while they're down. This is surely a sin against charity.

The SSPX has much to answer for, and they will, in time. Church Militant should drop the subject for now. Do we, an uninformed public audience (or at least armed with very limited, mostly one-sided information) want to play the role of judge, jury, and executioner?

Struthio · « **Reply #238 on:** April 27, 2020, 07:10:29 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 26, 2020, 09:03:24 AM

I actually do believe that there has been an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ network within the SSPX. Those who are part of it will in fact cover up for each other. That is the very nature and purpose of their network.

What's your problem with Voris, then?

Is there anyone else doing something impactful to drain that swamp?

Should the crimes of that network go on until someone more worthy than the fαɢɢօt Voris comes along?

2Vermont · « **Reply #239 on:** April 27, 2020, 07:30:34 PM »

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 05:09:16 PM

As I recall, (may not have the dates precisely) but there was a man in the UK by the name of Greg Taylor who first sounded the alarm about the predator priest in the Resistance in the UK, maybe around 2015. Taylor wanted the priest removed from the Resistance Mass circuit where he had access to kids. I believe people tarred and feathered him and called him a liar, much like what is happening here to Voris, and me (by extension) for discussing it.

I believe that priest lived (and still lives) in Bp. Williamson's house and is his caretaker.

The priest was mentioned again in April of 2017 in the Swedish docuмentary film about the SSPX abuse coverup. His name is Fr. Stephen Abraham. He was filmed by the crew on the street as he walked into the house. He is mentioned in Michael Voris's initial 45 minute docuмentary from last Wednesday.
It isn't surprising you never heard the story until 2 days ago, because no Catholic news outlet would report the story in 2017, not even Church Militant, if I remember correctly.

The other Resistance priest profiled in the film was in France at Bp. Faure's chapel. In the film, Bp. Faure was filmed gave a poor excuse for the priest at a conference that caused controversy, because he mentioned wanting to save the priest's soul, and it looked like he didn't have concern for the victims. I have no idea if that priest (Fr. Phillipe Peignot) is still with the Resistance. Maybe a French Resistance parishioner will chime in.

That Swedish film is probably still on the internet somewhere.

Many of the other abuse cases that Voris docuмents are ones I had never heard of, i.e. the offender in Veneta, the St. Mary's ѕυιcιdє, the Palmieri father, etc. I was aware of the Sloniker case in Post Falls.

But, you're right - what a sad day for the Church. It will be better after the trash is taken out and the coverups are ended.

I guess I just don't understand why you weren't as upset back then. Were you here under another name because I would think you would have been just as outraged then and I don't remember this sort of reaction.
There is something about you that's not adding up for me.

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