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Offline Sam Smith

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Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2020, 12:52:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on April 22, 2020, 12:42:30 PM

    Michael Voris is a known liar and omiter of relevant facts
    which completely changes his story.  The above video proves
    this.  
    That video (from 2015) has literally NOTHING to do with today's article.
    The facts are what they are, and there are currently multiple criminal investigations now taking place worldwide as a result of the first witness coming forward.
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    Offline Tradman

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #16 on: April 22, 2020, 12:53:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: GGMoreno on April 22, 2020, 12:36:57 PM
    I don't disagree with what you said, but I do think in order to put all of this in the right context, even the FSSP has skeletons, which Voris chooses not to address.
    And it goes without saying, even in Novus Ordo land, there are good priests mixed with bad and both might be under a bad ordinary. If Novus Ordo adherents are able to accept this, they should be able to discern when it comes to traditionalist groups too.
    Agreed. When people are afraid of their priests because we laity have access to so much information, but clarity and punishment by the Church hierarchy is weak or criminally lacking, no matter who the group, we need to repeat ourselves until we're blue in the face, that our clergy better get their act together because we're watching.  And because this kind of abuse is so bad, we're discussing it to protect ourselves and others.  I'm not suggesting we dictate solutions to any of our Catholic authorities, but we should assist the ones who care at all, to understand that they are complicit in the destruction of the Church unless they fix this.  
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #17 on: April 22, 2020, 12:54:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on April 22, 2020, 11:58:18 AM
    I read the entire article, every word. I did not judge any of the persons in the article.  I stated facts which apply to all predators, my advice is for parents. It applies to parents who take their children to the Novus Ordo, ICK, FSP, Sedes chapels, SSPX, Eastern Catholic......
    I completely agree. Parents should never leave their kids alone with any priest of any group, NO or otherwise.
    The fact that her abuse started in the confessional is alarming.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #18 on: April 22, 2020, 01:19:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on April 22, 2020, 12:54:20 PM
    I completely agree. Parents should never leave their kids alone with any priest of any group, NO or otherwise.
    The fact that her abuse started in the confessional is alarming.

    It is no surprise to me, for it is the perfect private one on one place to work the seduction of anyone. That is why I said:


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    These priestly abuses could only happen to parents who pay no attention to their children, and who are naïve, lax, idolizers of priests. Those predators knew exactly who to pick on. They picked the children with lax parents. That is how all predators work, seeking the weak.

    My children would come to me within minutes of even getting the slightest evil hint from anyone, even if it was my own brother (which would never happen).


    The seduction could be of ones wife, daughters, sons, and even husbands. 
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #19 on: April 22, 2020, 01:42:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: VO2 Max on April 22, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
    Voris has publicly abjured his fαɢɢօty past. We can infer that he repented of those disguting sins. You're judging the man for sins to which he confessed and did penance. I respect Voris a lot more than the closeted sodomite on this forum who won't even admit that he defended sodomy in the anonymous forum right after he joined here in 2014, and thus was busted for it by an astute member right after he posted the comment. He blamed his cousin for discovering his password and logging into the forum.


    The first act of true contrition is to admit wrongdoing.

    Whether or not he truly repented ...

    1) can truly be known only by God in the internal forum

    AND

    2) is totally beside the point.

    Would you ordain Voris to the priesthood just because he publicly claimed to have repented?  We do not know the sincerity of it.  Could he have made the statement as damage control for his business venture because the information was on the verge of leaking out?  Does he still have the inclinations and could he be, in a moment of weakness, susceptible to returning to his former ways?  Of course.  While that's true of everyone, the Church has always had great caution when it came to anyone who had ever practiced sins against nature ... even if all signs point to their having repented.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #20 on: April 22, 2020, 01:55:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on April 22, 2020, 11:32:08 AM
    The fit hits the shan.

    And just like it was when it hit the Novus Ordo shan, folks deny the message and discuss the messenger.

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #21 on: April 22, 2020, 01:57:11 PM »
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    • Michael Voris has been trying to destroy the SSPX for 5 years or longer
    and telling lies to do so.  Now he looks for perverts in the SSPX to destroy
    them.  Hey, Michael, where is your video about all the perverts in Rome ?
    You could make 10 videos about that.  You know about all those people
    who you claim are the "real" church.  The word hypocrite comes to mind.
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    However, since the SSPX has changed directions and now going in the
    opposite direction of Archbishop Lefebvre, it seems like they are getting
    what they deserve.  
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    But, the criticism should be directed at the attempt to merge with Rome.
    I'm not approving of immoral behavior, though. 
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #22 on: April 22, 2020, 02:04:27 PM »
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    • And yet more than one saint who repented of his sin was ordained to the priesthood.

    Years of repentance will tell

    If and I do mean if the accusations are credible and have been reported to police then it's not wrong to report the facts along with the statement that it is reported but NOT BEEN PROVEN.

    this is not was is being done.

    This is part of an agenda
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #23 on: April 22, 2020, 02:11:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on April 22, 2020, 11:03:19 AM
    You’re using articles from a man who hates ALL real Traditionalists to attack the Society. Pathetic
    A broken clock is 100% accurate 2 times a day. The article involves few people, priests and  laymen, however, as far as convicted criminals there are very few priests mentioned considering the 50 years covered. Is it any surprise that there are a few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in the SSPX? Don't let anyone fool you, all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are pedophiles. Is it any surprise that a heterosɛҳuąƖ priest would be tempted to seduce a teenage girl or a young wife? Voris had to pad the article with bad lay parishioners and also with priests who did nothing but squelch what they thought was detractions. Filter out just the priest convicted of crimes and you are left with I think 5 priests at most. To dismiss the article altogether is a big mistake, but it is ridiculous to blow this up as if 5 or 8 SSPX priests ( from 600+) is anything like the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ plague in the Novus Ordo sect. Read the article in total and split out SSPX priests from laymen, and accused priest from priest who did not want to detract, and you are left with only a few bad eggs. Is it any surprise that there are a few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in the SSPX? Is it any surprise that a heterosɛҳuąƖ priest would be tempted to seduce a teenage or older woman?

    The Bottom Line that I get from the OP article is: pay attention your children and do not idolize priests as if they are gods.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #24 on: April 22, 2020, 02:12:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on April 22, 2020, 01:55:43 PM
    And just like it was when it hit the Novus Ordo shan, folks deny the message and discuss the messenger.
    THIS.
    So far, nobody is even discussing what is contained in the Church Militant investigation.
    They are only dissing Michael Voris.
    Wake up, people.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #25 on: April 22, 2020, 02:43:40 PM »
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    apollo says:
    Hey, Michael, where is your video about all the perverts in Rome ?

    He has made such videos. Here's one:



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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #26 on: April 22, 2020, 02:47:13 PM »
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    apollo says:
     Hey, Michael, where is your video about all the perverts in Rome ?


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    me: He has made such videos. Here's one:


    Video above is the wrong video but it sort of covers that issue. Here's the one I meant to post:

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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #27 on: April 22, 2020, 02:49:16 PM »
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    • No fan of Michael Voris, but this particular article was not written by him.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #28 on: April 22, 2020, 03:21:39 PM »
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    Ladislaus says:

    Whether or not he truly repented ...

    1) can truly be known only by God in the internal forum

    AND

    2) is totally beside the point.

    A) Would you ordain Voris to the priesthood just because he publicly claimed to have repented?

    B)We do not know the sincerity of it. Could he have made the statement as damage control for his business venture because the information was on the verge of leaking out?

    C) [...] the Church has always had great caution when it came to anyone who had ever practiced sins against nature ... even if all signs point to their having repented.

    This response is littered with so many logical fallacies.

    A) Red herring fallacy

    B) It's not for you to judge, if the man publicly abjured his sins. We have to take it on faith that he's sincere, just as we take it on faith that a priest's intentions to validly confer the Sacraments sincere and not sabotaged in any way. Only God truly knows. Indeed, prudence must be made when interacting with former sodomites, including not allowing children around them, but to judge them as active guilty sodomites or insincere in their contrition is wrong, and the Lord God will judge you for it.

    C) Caution to former sodomites who work in the Church's ministry and/or in teaching/leadership positions over children or young adults, but not nearly on the same level with those who hold regular layman jobs with no supervision over children or mentally/emotionally susceptible and easily manipulated people.

    Catholics should appreciate Voris publicly abjuring, and going to confession for, committing perversions against nature. He can be a voice of inspiration and reason to other fαɢɢօts who might have a moment of clarity and listen to him because he formerly lived their perverted lifestyle. That's a lot better than creeping around little boys and scandalizing them, or going to male bath houses to continue that disgusting vice.
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    Re: Michael Voris Publishes Article on SSPX Abuse
    « Reply #29 on: April 22, 2020, 04:24:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: VO2 Max on April 22, 2020, 02:47:13 PM
    Video above is the wrong video but it sort of covers that issue. Here's the one I meant to post:
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    This video is about Bishops in the US if favor of socialism and also
    bishops in the US who are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.  It's not about perverts in Rome,
    which is what I said.
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    Michael Voris has no problem with Vatican II, therefore he is a heretic.
    He is also a liar.  Therefore, you cannot trust what he says about the
    situation in Saint Marys.  
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    He appears to hate the SSPX. He claims that Archbishop Lefebvre
    excuмunicated himself.  That is a lie and he knows it.  
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