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Title: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on April 25, 2020, 01:55:44 PM

Voris is a blatant judaizer.

He's associated with Jews who promote the Noahide laws.

And in his Church Militant video below at 4:00, he endorses Opus Dei

Source (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/12/church-militant-promotes-seven-noahide.html)



Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Michael Voris’ Church Militant promotes the seven noahide laws

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Michael Voris’ Church Militant which bills itself as ‘authentic catholicism’, has been pushing a crowdfunding website, fundingmorality.com, run by the Jєωιѕн Institute for Global Awareness (JIFGA).  What’s wrong with that?  Well, the ‘morality’ being promoted is the anti-Christian Noahide Laws!  The founder of JIFGA, Arthur Goldberg tells Christine Niles,

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“The platform will highlight people and projects that reflect this worldview as codified in the Noahide Laws, which are premised upon Biblical values as revealed to Noah after the Flood.”

Below are two screenshots from the Church Militant post, New Crowdfunding Site Supports Moral Causes (http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/new-crowdfunding-site-supports-moral-causes).

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Surprised?

You shouldn’t be.

When one starts from the premise that the solution to the problems of the Novus Ordo church is Opus (ju)Dei then it is only logical that one would end up supporting an organization such as JIFGA touting the Noahide Laws as Biblical!


Church Militant endorses Opus Judei (https://youtu.be/yjIKZxfY6D4)



What did Francis’ late rabbinical buddy Angel Kreiman have to say of Opus (ju)Dei?

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“Many of Josemaria Escriva's concepts call to mind the тαℓмυdic tradition and reveal his profound knowledge of the Jєωιѕн world, as well as his passionate love, as he openly repeated, for two Jews, Jesus and Mary.  Moreover, that which most likens his teachings to Judaism is the vocation of man to serve God through creative work, perfecting creation every day, through perfection of work.” (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/05/paul-nicholson-makes-fool-out-of.html)

Kreiman further said that Christians and Jews need to “work together in favor of the principal humanitarian causes: social order, unemployment and poverty, drugs, hunger, and the fight against a consumerism empty of spirituality.” (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/05/paul-nicholson-makes-fool-out-of.html)  Sounds just like what Church Militant and Francis are selling doesn’t it?

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Jorge Mario Bergoglio & Rabbi Angel Kreiman

Sadly this isn’t the first time Mike and his Church Militant crew have promoted the Noahide Laws on their website.  For more information see, Church Militant’s New Organization Seeks to Promote Moral Law (http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/new-organization-seeks-to-promote-moral-law), which also contains the seven noahide laws as shown in the below screenshot.

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We can hear you asking what’s so bad about the Noahide Laws?

First off they are not Biblical as Arthur Goldberg and Church Militant would have you believe.  They are anti-Biblical, anti-Christian, and anti-Christ rules created by the rabbis.  Want to know what one who follows the Noahide Laws believes about Our Savior, Jesus the Christ?  Then click here (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm) and read about how he was a false prophet who led the Jєωιѕн people astray, was sɛҳuąƖly immoral, practiced witchcraft, violated God’s laws, etc...

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Two rabbis laying down the noahide laws for gentiles.

The Noahide Laws forbids idolatry.  That’s a good thing isn’t it?  Well, actually it isn’t good if you are a follower of Jesus the Christ.  We will return to that in a moment.  According to the book, The Path of the Righteous Gentile (http://noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/index.php/judaism-articles/2011/05/the-path-of-the-righteous-gentile/) by the rabbis Chaim Clorfene and Yakov Rogalsky, in PART TWO: Serving an idol; making an idol, one reads: (http://noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/index.php/judaism-articles/2011/05/the-path-of-the-righteous-gentile/)

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2. A person transgresses only when he worships the idol in the normal manner ascribed to each respective idol. Conse­quently, courts of law have to know the appropriate service for the idol in any case of idolatry.
 
 3. The preceding law applies to unique forms of worship. If, however, the person bows down or offers sacrifices or incense or a libation (the four forms of service of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem) to any one of the idols, he incurs the death penalty even though this may not be the way of official worship.[12]

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[12] Mishneh Torah, Laws of Idolatry, chapter 3, law 3

Further in PART THREE: Convincing others to serve an idol; false prophets of the same book it says:

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5. If a prophet prophesies in the name of an idol ‑ if he says for instance, “This particular idol or this particular star said to me that it is an obligation to do such‑and‑such or not to do such‑and‑such,” ‑ even if his words teach the law correctly, he is subject to the death penalty for idolatry.[39]

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[39] Mishneh Torah, Laws of Idolatry, chapter 5, law 6

Did you catch that?

Worshiping an idol gets one the death penalty!  

The book The Path of the Righteous Gentile is filled with admonitions against idol worshiping such as these.  We can hear you say, “Christ isn’t an idol and belief in him as the Savior of mankind isn’t idol worship!”  Did you notice the footnotes above?  What did they source?  The Mishneh Torah which is subtitled, Sefer Yad ha-Hazaka.  Translated this means, Repetition of the Torah: Book of the Strong Hand.  This is a code of Jєωιѕн religious law or halakha authored by the RaMBaM, Maimonides.  What does he have to say about Christians?  Yori Yanover writing (http://www.Jєωιѕнpress.com/indepth/opinions/maimonides-islam-good-christianity-bad-muslims-bad-christians-good/2013/11/15/) for The Jєωιѕн Press says of the RaMBaM:

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Halachically, Maimonides says in three distinct places that the Christians are idol worshipers.
 
 1. In his interpretation of the Mishna, tractate Avoda Zara 1:3, he writes: “Know that this Christian nation, who are making the claim of a messiah, with all their many different sects, are all idol worshipers and all their holidays are forbidden, and we deal with them regarding religious issues as we would pagans.”
 
 And he adds (AZ 4): “Therefore one must know that in every one of the Christian nation’s cities which has an altar, meaning their house of worship, it is a pagan house of idolatry without any doubt.”
 
 2. In the uncensored version of Hayad Hachazaka (Hilchot Avoda Zara 9:4), Maimonides issues the edict: “The Christians are idol worshipers and Sunday is their religious holiday, therefore in Eretz Israel we may not trade with them on Thursday and Friday of every week, and needless to say on Sunday, which is forbidden [for trade with Christians] everywhere.” Trade in this context refers especially to paying back loans, which would enhance their joy on the day of their idol.
 
 3. Also in Hayad Hachazaka, the laws of forbidden foods, the uncensored version (Hilchot Maachalot Asurot 11:7): “The Christians are idol worshippers and their regular wine if forbidden to be consumed” by Jews since it is likely to be used as libation in their pagan service.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on April 25, 2020, 02:00:12 PM

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  The homo-boy, does a jig in his red papal slippers.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: CatholicInAmerica on April 25, 2020, 06:57:03 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on April 25, 2020, 02:00:12 PM

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 The homo-boy, does a jig in his red papal slippers.

I dislike him strongly, but why bring up his past? That’s not a Catholic thing to do unless they’re unrepentant, and he seems genuinely repentant

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Cato on April 25, 2020, 07:10:17 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on April 25, 2020, 02:00:12 PM

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 The homo-boy, does a jig in his red papal slippers.

“Homo-boy”
I guess I’m not the only one whose gαydar is beeping.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Matto on April 25, 2020, 07:29:43 PM

Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on April 25, 2020, 06:57:03 PM

I dislike him strongly, but why bring up his past? That’s not a Catholic thing to do unless they’re unrepentant, and he seems genuinely repentant

We are the result of all of the actions of our past. What we did creates who we are. Sins leave wounds and disordered desires.
If I have to have a journalist leader, I want one who was not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ for the decades of his youth and then foisted himself on the stage out of nowhere as the only "REAL CATHOLIC" journalist in the world (independent of any Church or quasi-Church oversight unless it is true that he is controlled by Opus Dei), bashing all the Bishops for doing the same thing he spent most of his youth doing, without telling anyone about his past until the blackmailers came. Give me a murderer or a man who had affairs with women, but not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. I am not saying he is unrepentant. But did he spend ten years in the desert eating cactus fruit and wild honey saying the Jesus Prayer to do penance for his decades of sins and to heal his wounds?

I mean I was a bad guy for five years before I reverted, but I was never a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and I am not claiming to be an authority and pontificating and condemning the Bishops of the Church (and also the traditional opposition). I just make posts on a forum that nobody reads.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: BeatusRusticus on April 25, 2020, 07:36:47 PM

Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on April 25, 2020, 06:57:03 PM

I dislike him strongly, but why bring up his past? That’s not a Catholic thing to do unless they’re unrepentant, and he seems genuinely repentant

We Catholics are our own worst enemy sometimes. Here is a man who is manifestly working in opposition of the Truth, as an aggressive, mercenary, for-profit shill for the Novus Ordo Church, and who has a past checkered enough to make him a suspect witness at best in any court of law, at least in the olden days when moral character counted for anything... who has a history of associating with bad ideas, and ruining others’ careers and reputations for his own self-centered, narcissistic ends. And we get squeamish because maybe reminding people that he’s a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and a thoroughly bad egg might possibly be uncharitable, and think that perhaps we should pretend he’s a university professor and restrict ourselves to only touching his ideas, in isolation. 
The man is a scuмbag. His sins are public knowledge, and assuredly bear on his public words and deeds today. 

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on April 25, 2020, 08:54:30 PM

Quote from: Matto on April 25, 2020, 07:29:43 PM

“Give me a murderer or a man who had affairs with women, but not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. I am not saying he is unrepentant. But did he spend ten years in the desert eating cactus fruit and wild honey saying the Jesus Prayer to do penance for his decades of sins and to heal his wounds.”

Oh, but this is funny!  :laugh2:

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Nadir on April 25, 2020, 08:54:56 PM

All the Men Behind the Opus Dei Curtain
http://www.newengelpublishing.com/all-the-men-behind-the-opus-dei-curtain/

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: josefamenendez on April 25, 2020, 09:55:49 PM

(I posted this on the wrong Michael Voris thread)
Besides Michael Voris' ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past, he still employs one Simon Rafe, who in 2011 was discovered to have been writing bisɛҳuąƖ fantasy porn online. Rafe was apparently moved off camera after the scandal broke, and put in a more "behind the scenes" role at St Michael's Media/ Church Militant. As far as I know Rafe is working there today, doing more on-camera work.
Why wasn't he fired?
Michael Voris needs to keep his house very clean while throwing stones.
I also have a problem with Voris' Bieber-styled blonde highlighted toupe- not becoming to a Catholic man! (Remnants of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ narcissism- just sayin'.)
MV's credability can certainly be questioned.

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Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Cato on April 25, 2020, 11:00:28 PM

Quote from: Matto on April 25, 2020, 07:29:43 PM

Give me a murderer or a man who had affairs with women, but not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

I was expressing a hunch that Voris was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ from his fashion and mannerism.  I’m not as knowledgeable about the issues and players as most members here; but, it is apparently true.  It would be consistent with his behavior if he supports the Novus Ordo acceptance of celibate ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity or even monogamous gαy unions as a question of conscience.  Or even sodomy being a minor sin?
Murderers and adulterers are not included in “Sins that cry out to Heaven” - sodomy does.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are self destructive.  His Church Militant is going after their own in the SSPX.
And Christine Niles?  What’s her motivation in all this?  Her journalism smacks of suspicious bitterness.   Is her goal to “upset the apple cart” before she leaves the Faith and reverts to Protestantism?  Is she a “reformed” ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ like Voris?
God help the SSPX.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: tdrev123 on April 26, 2020, 12:13:25 AM

Quote from: josefamenendez on April 25, 2020, 09:55:49 PM

(I posted this on the wrong Michael Voris thread)
Besides Michael Voris' ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past, he still employs one Simon Rafe, who in 2011 was discovered to have been writing bisɛҳuąƖ fantasy porn online. Rafe was apparently moved off camera after the scandal broke, and put in a more "behind the scenes" role at St Michael's Media/ Church Militant. As far as I know Rafe is working there today, doing more on-camera work.
Why wasn't he fired?
Michael Voris needs to keep his house very clean while throwing stones.
I also have a problem with Voris' Bieber-styled blonde highlighted toupe- not becoming to a Catholic man! (Remnants of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ narcissism- just sayin'.)
MV's credability can certainly be questioned.

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I criticized his hair and how he acts and called him gαy looking a few years ago on a thread here.  And then later I was proven right when he was forced to come out of the closet.  

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: BTNYC on April 26, 2020, 12:49:12 AM

Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on April 25, 2020, 06:57:03 PM

I dislike him strongly, but why bring up his past? That’s not a Catholic thing to do unless they’re unrepentant, and he seems genuinely repentant

I'll paste a post of mine from another forum, made four years ago, which I believe addresses yours:

If he'd been upfront about the kind of life he'd led at the beginning of his public appearances; if there'd been an appreciable lapse in time between the end of his life as an habitual sodomite and the commencement of his apostolate (let's say 5 - 10 years); if he'd taken pains to totally avoid any grossly unseemly, objectively suspicious activities that any sane person could see are a proximate occasion of sin for an ostensibly reformed sodomite (e.g. "Lenten Cruises," staffing and surrounding himself with young men barely old enough to vote, etc.); if he'd shown a willingness to work with and learn from the men who'd been out in the trenches fighting the good fight for the Faith during all those years he was flaming and fagging through life, instead of turning on them like a treacherous snake; if he'd treated the issue of the SSPX's status with some degree of intellectual honesty and emotionally detached rationality, and not with a shrill, hysterical, calumnious smear campaign designed to sow discord and strife among the already small and embattled camps of Traditional Catholics....

If, if, if, if, if, if.....

...then, I can guarantee you, you'd not have seen even a fraction of this acrimony being poured out on Voris (which is really more a wholly justified and righteous indignation than anything else). No one is saying that a sodomite can't be reformed and forgiven with God's help and Grace, nor that they can never be of any use to the Church. The Church's policy against ordaining men with sodomitical inclinations is a rule whose prudence and reasonableness are self-evident. Extrapolating that policy to other positions of authority, leadership, and custodianship in Church life is likewise prudent and reasonable, not because "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity" is some immutable ontological "state," as the Fag Lobby itself would insist, but because this vice, in addition to all of the damage it does to a man's very manhood, and his ability to relate normally to other men, also leaves a man so crucially compromised in so many ways. Voris is but the most recent, obvious example of this.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: duck2050 on April 26, 2020, 12:55:29 PM

Don't forget the Filipino-American cross dressing veil wearing nαzι pornographer that Voris employed at Church Militant
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/from-fashion-to-fascism-local-photographer-scares-models (https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/from-fashion-to-fascism-local-photographer-scares-models)

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Yeti on April 26, 2020, 02:00:23 PM

Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on April 25, 2020, 06:57:03 PM

I dislike him strongly, but why bring up his past? That’s not a Catholic thing to do unless they’re unrepentant, and he seems genuinely repentant

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The Catholic thing to do for someone who has led a life of gross immorality and then repented is not to set himself up as an religious authority or some sort of public teacher of faith and morals. The true humility that goes along with repentance precludes such a thing, and if he were really repentance, he would accept the fact that he is not in a position to run a YouTube channel about theology or religious subjects, and never will be again.
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Yes, I understand that St. Augustine does not follow this general rule. An exception does not remove the rule. Michael Voris is not another St. Augustine.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 02:17:48 PM

Quote from: Yeti on April 26, 2020, 02:00:23 PM

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The Catholic thing to do for someone who has led a life of gross immorality and then repented is not to set himself up as an religious authority or some sort of public teacher of faith and morals. The true humility that goes along with repentance precludes such a thing

So, you're saying you object to the Epistles written by St. Paul and believe he has no business teaching morality since in his past life he was a great sinner and persecutor of Christians who participated in the killing of St. Stephen?

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: BeatusRusticus on April 26, 2020, 02:39:39 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 02:17:48 PM

So, you're saying you object to the Epistles written by St. Paul and believe he has no business teaching morality since in his past life he was a great sinner and persecutor of Christians who participated in the killing of St. Stephen?

Michael Voris, is that you?? 

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: CatholicMonarchist on April 26, 2020, 02:42:37 PM

I think Mr. Voris, regardless of his doctrinal purity, is a very uncharitable, aggressive, and often manipulative individual. Sadly the type of work he is in naturally feeds the aforementioned vices and even creates them. I personally steer far away from his type of "journalism."

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: JezusDeKoning on April 26, 2020, 02:49:54 PM

Quote from: BeatusRusticus on April 26, 2020, 02:39:39 PM

Michael Voris, is that you??

It's not entirely weird to suggest that he might have an account on here. And that it could actually be Sam Smith. 

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on April 26, 2020, 03:09:13 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 02:17:48 PM

So, you're saying you object to the Epistles written by St. Paul and believe he has no business teaching morality since in his past life he was a great sinner and persecutor of Christians who participated in the killing of St. Stephen?

St. Paul, a rabbinic, perfidious jew, was chosen by God to change from an instrument of chastisement, to a:

“Vessel of election, to carry Christ’s name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.”


On the other hand:

Michael Voris, a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ broken vessel, was chosen by the Opus Judei, to bring false teachings and confusion to the traditional Catholic remnant.


In no way is Voris worthy of casting stones... at anyone.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on April 26, 2020, 03:09:13 PM

St. Paul, a rabbinic, perfidious jew, was chosen by God to change from an instrument of chastisement, to a:

“Vessel of election, to carry Christ’s name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.”


On the other hand:

Michael Voris, a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ broken vessel, was chosen by the Opus Judei, to bring false teachings and confusion to the traditional Catholic remnant.

Apparently God disagrees since it is Voris who took on the story that no one else would touch. Our Catholic "journalists" did a great job reporting on the SSPX abuse. Oh, wait a minute...

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

Quote from: JezusDeKoning on April 26, 2020, 02:49:54 PM

It's not entirely weird to suggest that he might have an account on here. And that it could actually be Sam Smith.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am definitely NOT Michael Voris.

The reception here to the story is very disappointing and a sad statement on Catholics. 

It's very similar to how The Remnant Newspaper reacted to the Boston Globe's report on abuse in the Church in 2002. There was much weeping and gnashing of teeth and cries of "this is just a plot against the Church."

Yet, here we are nearly 20 years later and after all the individual state grand jury reports showing the stunning VOLUME of crimes by priests is not in dispute.

It seems like too many here are in some state of hysterical spiritual blindness. So what if it happened in your backyard, or at your favorite priestly society? Why does that make you unable to accept the facts? Don't you want the corruption out? Doesn't the truth matter? Because it seems like more people here care about shooting the messenger than giving careful consideration to the facts.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: BTNYC on April 26, 2020, 03:39:04 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 02:17:48 PM

So, you're saying you object to the Epistles written by St. Paul and believe he has no business teaching morality since in his past life he was a great sinner and persecutor of Christians who participated in the killing of St. Stephen?

A common tactic in histrionic, pilpul-like argumentation I've noticed is to take an extreme and extraordinary exception to a rule, and use that to judge a scenario far from exceptional, far from extraordinary, in order to make the rational opponent question the rational application of ordinary rules to ordinary scenarios. 

We can agree, I hope, that St. Paul is a singularly extraordinary example (the only true Apostle not among the Twelve called by Our Lord in his earthly ministry, but after His Resurrection). So why do we need to jump to him in the case of Voris - a man whom - I hope we can agree - is neither singular nor extraordinary? Ordinary, common-sense rules about recently active sodomites taking positions of leadership in the life of the Church ought to apply to him, no matter how much of an extraordinary Special Boy he may fancy himself to be.

What about the Church's policy against ordaining sodomitically-inclined men? Do you object? If not, then the same rationale should apply here. If you do - kindly explain yourself.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on April 26, 2020, 03:52:53 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am definitely NOT Michael Voris.

The reception here to the story is very disappointing and a sad statement on Catholics.

It's very similar to how The Remnant Newspaper reacted to the Boston Globe's report on abuse in the Church in 2002. There was much weeping and gnashing of teeth and cries of "this is just a plot against the Church."

Yet, here we are nearly 20 years later and after all the individual state grand jury reports showing the stunning VOLUME of crimes by priests is not in dispute.

It seems like too many here are in some state of hysterical spiritual blindness. So what if it happened in your backyard, or at your favorite priestly society? Why does that make you unable to accept the facts? Don't you want the corruption out? Doesn't the truth matter? Because it seems like more people here care about shooting the messenger than giving careful consideration to the facts.

Sam,


In case you hadn’t noticed, this forum is dedicated to exposing the errors of the neo-SSPX.


But your ardent support of the pseudo “Church Militant” sex scandal campaign, only tells you must be a troll in Voris’s camp.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: BTNYC on April 26, 2020, 04:00:44 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on April 26, 2020, 03:52:53 PM

Sam,


In case you hadn’t noticed, this forum is dedicated to exposing the errors of the neo-SSPX.


But your ardent support of the pseudo “Church Militant” sex scandal campaign, only tells you must be a troll in Voris’s camp.

Well said. 

Voris is Grima Wormtongue in a Justin Bieber bouffant. It's never advisable to accept the help of devils in casting out devils.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Ladislaus on April 26, 2020, 04:52:40 PM

Quote from: BTNYC on April 26, 2020, 04:00:44 PM

Voris is Grima Wormtongue in a Justin Bieber bouffant.

:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Ladislaus on April 26, 2020, 04:54:07 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am definitely NOT Michael Voris.

You're making any criticism of Voris personal, so I do suspect that you are somehow associated with him or with CM.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Ladislaus on April 26, 2020, 04:56:28 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 03:29:43 PM

Apparently God disagrees since it is Voris who took on the story that no one else would touch. Our Catholic "journalists" did a great job reporting on the SSPX abuse. Oh, wait a minute...

Nonsense.  Many of these stories have been written about before, and they've been discussed here on this forum for many years.  It's just that Voris has a bigger audience than anyone else has had.  Now, we're talking about the real information, not the slop that Voris layered on top of it.  As another poster pointed out, few of this forum's members are particularly enamored of the SSPX.  Lots of Resistance, sedevacantists, and others here.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Jaynek on April 26, 2020, 07:01:51 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am definitely NOT Michael Voris.

The reception here to the story is very disappointing and a sad statement on Catholics.

It's very similar to how The Remnant Newspaper reacted to the Boston Globe's report on abuse in the Church in 2002. There was much weeping and gnashing of teeth and cries of "this is just a plot against the Church."

Yet, here we are nearly 20 years later and after all the individual state grand jury reports showing the stunning VOLUME of crimes by priests is not in dispute.

It seems like too many here are in some state of hysterical spiritual blindness. So what if it happened in your backyard, or at your favorite priestly society? Why does that make you unable to accept the facts? Don't you want the corruption out? Doesn't the truth matter? Because it seems like more people here care about shooting the messenger than giving careful consideration to the facts.

You turned up at the same time as the Voris story and have talked of little else.  And you approach the subject in a very emotional way.  It is not surprising that many of us speculate that you have some sort of personal connection.  

But I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.  Perhaps, because you are so new here, you simply do not understand what people here mean when they talk about Resistance.  This is a position that the SSPX has gone astray from the original vision of Archbishop Lefebvre and therefore the current organization needs to be resisted.  While this is not the only view on this forum, it is the position of the owner and a large proportion of its members.  

Criticism of the SSPX is one of the major functions of this forum.  Advertising for a book on the subject appears on a banner on the home page. People who blindly excuse any actions of the SSPX do not fit in well here and generally do not last long.  It is highly unlikely that anyone writing on the subject here is motivated by uncritical loyalty to the SSPX.

As far as I can tell, everyone posting is in favour of careful consideration of the facts.  One of the facts is that Michael Voris, for a variety of reasons, has limited credibility so we cannot just automatically accept his assertions as true.  

I think it is fair to assume that everyone here wishes to uncover the truth and is strongly opposed to abuse and sɛҳuąƖ perversion.  If you cannot understand this and assume this, then you are simply wasting your time by writing about this subject.
 

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 10:18:38 PM

Quote from: Jaynek on April 26, 2020, 07:01:51 PM

You turned up at the same time as the Voris story and have talked of little else. 
As far as I can tell, everyone posting is in favour of careful consideration of the facts.  

You turned up to tell me what threads I should follow or comment on? Are you a moderator?

I've noticed several new members on these threads. Would you like to go and ask them why want to talk about this story?

There is no criticism of the SSPX's handling of the abuse and coverup happening here so far, only criticism of Voris himself for bringing the story into the public realm. 

I have not witnessed anyone yet here who is "in favour [sic] of careful consideration of the facts."
Maybe you would like to be the first?

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Jaynek on April 27, 2020, 07:20:30 AM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 10:18:38 PM

You turned up to tell me what threads I should follow or comment on? Are you a moderator?

I've noticed several new members on these threads. Would you like to go and ask them why want to talk about this story?

There is no criticism of the SSPX's handling of the abuse and coverup happening here so far, only criticism of Voris himself for bringing the story into the public realm.

I have not witnessed anyone yet here who is "in favour [sic] of careful consideration of the facts."
Maybe you would like to be the first?

And this marks the end of my "giving Sam the benefit of the doubt" phase. 

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Ladislaus on April 27, 2020, 07:28:33 AM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 10:18:38 PM

There is no criticism of the SSPX's handling of the abuse and coverup happening here so far, only criticism of Voris himself for bringing the story into the public realm.

You've just discredited yourself, as this is a blatant lie.

Come clean.  What is your relationship with Voris and CM?

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: PAT317 on April 27, 2020, 09:30:05 AM

Quote from: Jaynek on April 27, 2020, 07:20:30 AM

And this marks the end of my "giving Sam the benefit of the doubt" phase.

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:laugh1:

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 10:04:12 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 27, 2020, 07:28:33 AM

You've just discredited yourself, as this is a blatant lie.

Come clean.  What is your relationship with Voris and CM?

YOU have not criticized the SSPX's abuse coverup. In fact, you cast doubt on the first female victim who came forward to tell CM of the cesspool that is St. Mary's and the SSPX's leadership. Incredulous even mocked her for being a "fat Fillipino." How Catholic of him. God bless that young lady for having the courage not to be cowed by Fr. Wegner and the rest.

You readily acknowledge the corrupt leadership of the SSPX which is at fault for the ralliement with Rome and changing the direction of the SSPX for the worse, yet you get squeamish when Voris shows the Emperor really has no clothes? Why is that? Don't you want to save the SSPX?
Or, do you want it to keep going on its merry way at high speed into the Novus Ordo? This corruption has to be removed in order to save the SSPX. Yet, it seems this has not even occurred to you.

As Voris said in his latest Vortex, which I should probably put into another thread, you and the people in the pews "care more about your little Society than the VICTIMS in your Society."

I have no relationship with Michael Voris and don't know him from Adam. Stop attacking me because you just can't wrap your head around someone supporting him outing the pedos and homos on our ranks.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on April 27, 2020, 10:43:48 AM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 10:04:12 AM

YOU have not criticized the SSPX's abuse coverup. In fact, you cast doubt on the first female victim who came forward to tell CM of the cesspool that is St. Mary's and the SSPX's leadership. Incredulous even mocked her for being a "fat Fillipino." How Catholic of him.

Correction:

You posted a CM video with your “courageous journalist” Christine Niles.

That’s the overweight Fillipina I was referring to.  

Working for Voris must put a lot of stress on her, causing the face-stuffing of junk food.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 10:49:20 AM

Quote from: Incredulous on April 27, 2020, 10:43:48 AM

Correction:

You posted a CM video with your “courageous journalist” Christine Niles.

That’s the overweight Fillipina I was referring to.  

Working for Voris must put a lot of stress on her, causing the face-stuffing of junk food.

I thought you were talking about the victim, sorry.
Niles is not fat, either, though.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: 2Vermont on April 27, 2020, 11:10:49 AM

Sam, do you think it is possible that MV's allegations are not entirely true?

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 11:54:11 AM

Quote from: 2Vermont on April 27, 2020, 11:10:49 AM

Sam, do you think it is possible that MV's allegations are not entirely true?

No.
He invited them to sue him.
They won't because they can't, because it's true.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 12:23:59 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on April 27, 2020, 10:43:48 AM

Correction:

You posted a CM video with your “courageous journalist” Christine Niles.

That’s the overweight Fillipina I was referring to.  

Working for Voris must put a lot of stress on her, causing the face-stuffing of junk food.

Fr. Morrison has weighed in.

He says the vilification against the persons of Niles (and Voris)  "is completely typical of the duplicitous morality of the Neo-SSPX under Bernie Fellay, but not of the original SSPX under its late founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was universally known for his gentlemanliness."

Shall I call you duplicitous now? Or just Bernie?

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: 2Vermont on April 27, 2020, 12:46:31 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 11:54:11 AM

No.
He invited them to sue him.
They won't because they can't, because it's true.

You are 100% sure that it's ALL true .... because he invited them to sue him? 

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 12:53:42 PM

Quote from: 2Vermont on April 27, 2020, 12:46:31 PM

You are 100% sure that it's ALL true .... because he invited them to sue him?

He's a journalist.
He knows what he has, and it sounds like it's a lot.
He's not stupid, he wouldn't run it if he could be sued. I'm sure he knows the SSPX's propensity for legal defense.
That's why he was so strong in his response. Whatever he has that is still coming must be pretty bad.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: 2Vermont on April 27, 2020, 12:56:18 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 12:53:42 PM

He's a journalist.
He knows what he has, and it sounds like it's a lot.
He's not stupid, he wouldn't run it if he could be sued. I'm sure he knows the SSPX's propensity for legal defense.
That's why he was so strong in his response. Whatever he has that is still coming must be pretty bad.

As someone who doesn't support either MV or the SSPX, I think you are a hypocrite to expect others to give MV the benefit of the doubt, but you refuse to give any to the SSPX.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Ladislaus on April 27, 2020, 01:51:08 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 12:23:59 PM

Fr. Morrison has weighed in.

He says the vilification against the persons of Niles (and Voris)  "is completely typical of the duplicitous morality of the Neo-SSPX under Bernie Fellay, but not of the original SSPX under its late founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was universally known for his gentlemanliness."

Shall I call you duplicitous now? Or just Bernie?

 
Nobody care about what Morrison has to say.  He's not playing with a full deck, calls the 1962 Tridentine Mass the "half Novus Ordo mess", claiming that it's half-Novus ordo due to a couple slight changes, and regularly smears the SSPX with nonsense and stupidity.  Of course Morrison is going to jump on the bandwagon here.  He is not credible.  If Voris lacks credibility, Morrison lacks it a hundred fold.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 02:13:41 PM

Quote from: 2Vermont on April 27, 2020, 12:56:18 PM

As someone who doesn't support either MV or the SSPX, I think you are a hypocrite to expect others to give MV the benefit of the doubt, but you refuse to give any to the SSPX.

I support the SSPX's original mission, as does everyone of us in the Resistance. I do NOT support the current direction of the SSPX, nor their current leadership. I do NOT give them the benefit of the doubt today, because they had the chance to do the right thing THREE years ago and they did not.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 02:16:38 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 27, 2020, 01:51:08 PM

Nobody care about what Morrison has to say.  He's not playing with a full deck, calls the 1962 Tridentine Mass the "half Novus Ordo mess", claiming that it's half-Novus ordo due to a couple slight changes, and regularly smears the SSPX with nonsense and stupidity.  Of course Morrison is going to jump on the bandwagon here.  He is not credible.  If Voris lacks credibility, Morrison lacks it a hundred fold.

Fr. Morrison has been calling out "homo presbyters who suborn child rape" for 20 years and now you say he has no credibility? You're crazy.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on April 27, 2020, 03:29:37 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 12:23:59 PM

Fr. Morrison has weighed in.

He says the vilification against the persons of Niles (and Voris)  "is completely typical of the duplicitous morality of the Neo-SSPX under Bernie Fellay, but not of the original SSPX under its late founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was universally known for his gentlemanliness."

Shall I call you duplicitous now? Or just Bernie?

I maintain Christine Niles is fat... especially compared to when she first joined Voris.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Yeti on April 27, 2020, 03:35:50 PM

Quote from: Sam Smith on April 26, 2020, 02:17:48 PM

So, you're saying you object to the Epistles written by St. Paul and believe he has no business teaching morality since in his past life he was a great sinner and persecutor of Christians who participated in the killing of St. Stephen?

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This was written in response to my post in which I said:
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The Catholic thing to do for someone who has led a life of gross immorality and then repented is not to set himself up as an religious authority or some sort of public teacher of faith and morals. The true humility that goes along with repentance precludes such a thing, and if he were really repentance, he would accept the fact that he is not in a position to run a YouTube channel about theology or religious subjects, and never will be again.
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Yes, I understand that St. Augustine does not follow this general rule. An exception does not remove the rule. Michael Voris is not another St. Augustine.

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If you can't even read the whole post of just a couple of sentences, why are you writing on this website? I just answered your objection in advance before you even wrote it, by mentioning St. Augustine.
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Just to repeat, someone who leads a life of public, gross immorality should not make himself a public teacher of religion as Michael Voris is doing. Not even after some period of penance. Not for the rest of his life. Even if Michael Voris had done public penance, and I'm not aware that he did. This general rule obviously does not include St. Paul, St. Augustine, or other exceptional cases. Those are exceptional cases. Michael Voris is not an exceptional case. Is all of this a little clearer now?
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I'm getting a little curious what your angle is in this. Your account is new, and it appears you only created this account in order to spread this story on the SSPX. Why? Do you have an ax to grind with them? Did you have some bad experience with the SSPX, and this is your way of getting revenge?

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Sam Smith on April 27, 2020, 05:20:23 PM

Quote from: Yeti on April 27, 2020, 03:35:50 PM

Just to repeat, someone who leads a life of public, gross immorality should not make himself a public teacher of religion as Michael Voris is doing. Not even after some period of penance. Not for the rest of his life. Even if Michael Voris had done public penance, and I'm not aware that he did. This general rule obviously does not include St. Paul, St. Augustine, or other exceptional cases. Those are exceptional cases. Michael Voris is not an exceptional case. Is all of this a little clearer now?
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I'm getting a little curious what your angle is in this. Your account is new, and it appears you only created this account in order to spread this story on the SSPX. Why? Do you have an ax to grind with them? Did you have some bad experience with the SSPX, and this is your way of getting revenge?

Fact: God uses great sinners to raise them up to become great saints. It's not unusual. There are a great many examples of this in the Faith: St. Dismas, St. Paul, St. Augustine, and others.

Why exclude Michael Voris? Is he not capable of being used by God? He seems tough from what I saw in the latest video, and he's not backing down from this fight while a ton of people are calling him "fruit loop" or whatever.

Don't make it personal about me. You are happy to talk about the SSPX's desire to return to the arms of the Novus Ordo, but not its coverup of predators. Does that mean you have a special affection for pedos and homos? Probably not. So, it's not about an ax to grind, it's about the truth and ending the lies.
 Fr. Wegner should be sent packing immediately. His personal failures are EPIC.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Meg on April 28, 2020, 08:55:32 AM

Quote from: Yeti on April 27, 2020, 03:35:50 PM

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This was written in response to my post in which I said:
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If you can't even read the whole post of just a couple of sentences, why are you writing on this website? I just answered your objection in advance before you even wrote it, by mentioning St. Augustine.
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Just to repeat, someone who leads a life of public, gross immorality should not make himself a public teacher of religion as Michael Voris is doing. Not even after some period of penance. Not for the rest of his life. Even if Michael Voris had done public penance, and I'm not aware that he did. This general rule obviously does not include St. Paul, St. Augustine, or other exceptional cases. Those are exceptional cases. Michael Voris is not an exceptional case. Is all of this a little clearer now?
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I'm getting a little curious what your angle is in this. Your account is new, and it appears you only created this account in order to spread this story on the SSPX. Why? Do you have an ax to grind with them? Did you have some bad experience with the SSPX, and this is your way of getting revenge?

You've provided a good explanation of the situation with Voris, but the new forum member, who is an advocate for Voris, has not paid any attention to it. And he didn't answer your questions.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: 2Vermont on April 28, 2020, 04:51:10 PM

I'm still wondering whether "the new forum member" is new .... or an old forum member under a new name.  Because I would think he/she would have been just as upset and involved in the old threads here a few years back.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: dymphnaw on April 28, 2020, 07:39:21 PM

I don't like Christine Niles  but  she is Vietnamese  and not fat.

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: gladius_veritatis on December 13, 2021, 11:15:11 AM

I wasn't around much when this discussion took place, but did anyone ever point out that Sam Smith is the name of a sodomite singer from England?  Maybe everyone involved in this and related exchanges knew this, someone pointed it out, most think it doesn't matter, etc.  Maybe not.  

Anyway, cheers :)

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Charity on December 13, 2021, 11:34:57 AM

Quote from: Incredulous on April 25, 2020, 01:55:44 PM

Voris is a blatant judaizer.

He's associated with Jєωs who promote the Noahide laws.

And in his Church Militant video below at 4:00, he endorses Opus Dei

Source (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/12/church-militant-promotes-seven-noahide.html)



Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Michael Voris’ Church Militant promotes the seven noahide laws

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ufl7YtaZHFU/VckeyoT39oI/AAAAAAAAGTE/55W6ObKfT0A/s320/11287884_1427901907530236_2126700188_n.jpg) (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ufl7YtaZHFU/VckeyoT39oI/AAAAAAAAGTE/55W6ObKfT0A/s1600/11287884_1427901907530236_2126700188_n.jpg)

Michael Voris’ Church Militant which bills itself as ‘authentic catholicism’, has been pushing a crowdfunding website, fundingmorality.com, run by the Jєωιѕн Institute for Global Awareness (JIFGA).  What’s wrong with that?  Well, the ‘morality’ being promoted is the anti-Christian Noahide Laws!  The founder of JIFGA, Arthur Goldberg tells Christine Niles,

Below are two screenshots from the Church Militant post, New Crowdfunding Site Supports Moral Causes (http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/new-crowdfunding-site-supports-moral-causes).

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8QPoNyVtzKY/WFqtK7i-sjI/AAAAAAAAKrQ/LBxq8eRGd5YekI_UA0JmJQLT4kppdD_hACLcB/s1600/vorisa.png) (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8QPoNyVtzKY/WFqtK7i-sjI/AAAAAAAAKrQ/LBxq8eRGd5YekI_UA0JmJQLT4kppdD_hACLcB/s1600/vorisa.png)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XydzJBHnckM/WFqtNA5wQVI/AAAAAAAAKrU/2Rvm60vYg58BFIHEg-uiAc4yIqvtF3E-wCLcB/s1600/voris.png) (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XydzJBHnckM/WFqtNA5wQVI/AAAAAAAAKrU/2Rvm60vYg58BFIHEg-uiAc4yIqvtF3E-wCLcB/s1600/voris.png)

Surprised?

You shouldn’t be.

When one starts from the premise that the solution to the problems of the Novus Ordo church is Opus (ju)Dei then it is only logical that one would end up supporting an organization such as JIFGA touting the Noahide Laws as Biblical!


Church Militant endorses Opus Judei (https://youtu.be/yjIKZxfY6D4)



What did Francis’ late rabbinical buddy Angel Kreiman have to say of Opus (ju)Dei?

Kreiman further said that Christians and Jєωs need to “work together in favor of the principal humanitarian causes: social order, unemployment and poverty, drugs, hunger, and the fight against a consumerism empty of spirituality.” (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/05/paul-nicholson-makes-fool-out-of.html)  Sounds just like what Church Militant and Francis are selling doesn’t it?

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1_cx9TommSc/VUgcZe0jBYI/AAAAAAAAFTQ/F4aRLJ9sJyE/s320/17612.jpg) (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1_cx9TommSc/VUgcZe0jBYI/AAAAAAAAFTQ/F4aRLJ9sJyE/s1600/17612.jpg)

Jorge Mario Bergoglio & Rabbi Angel Kreiman

Sadly this isn’t the first time Mike and his Church Militant crew have promoted the Noahide Laws on their website.  For more information see, Church Militant’s New Organization Seeks to Promote Moral Law (http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/new-organization-seeks-to-promote-moral-law), which also contains the seven noahide laws as shown in the below screenshot.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vHbgtR6A0eg/WFti-NQNduI/AAAAAAAAKr4/0am11iyKgPwdS6AaBJ2aXseJQHsojCpuQCLcB/s1600/church%2Bmilitant%2B7%2Bnoahide%2Blaws.png) (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vHbgtR6A0eg/WFti-NQNduI/AAAAAAAAKr4/0am11iyKgPwdS6AaBJ2aXseJQHsojCpuQCLcB/s1600/church%2Bmilitant%2B7%2Bnoahide%2Blaws.png)

We can hear you asking what’s so bad about the Noahide Laws?

First off they are not Biblical as Arthur Goldberg and Church Militant would have you believe.  They are anti-Biblical, anti-Christian, and anti-Christ rules created by the rabbis.  Want to know what one who follows the Noahide Laws believes about Our Savior, Jesus the Christ?  Then click here (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm) and read about how he was a false prophet who led the Jєωιѕн people astray, was sɛҳuąƖly immoral, practiced witchcraft, violated God’s laws, etc...

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FoQvZR7QmiA/WFte_-CTVsI/AAAAAAAAKrk/yGgGO9NXC7s5B4zGHLxh0S7iY7umJbZwQCLcB/s320/images%2B%25284%2529.jpeg) (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FoQvZR7QmiA/WFte_-CTVsI/AAAAAAAAKrk/yGgGO9NXC7s5B4zGHLxh0S7iY7umJbZwQCLcB/s1600/images%2B%25284%2529.jpeg)

Two rabbis laying down the noahide laws for gentiles.

The Noahide Laws forbids idolatry.  That’s a good thing isn’t it?  Well, actually it isn’t good if you are a follower of Jesus the Christ.  We will return to that in a moment.  According to the book, The Path of the Righteous Gentile (http://noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/index.php/judaism-articles/2011/05/the-path-of-the-righteous-gentile/) by the rabbis Chaim Clorfene and Yakov Rogalsky, in PART TWO: Serving an idol; making an idol, one reads: (http://noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/index.php/judaism-articles/2011/05/the-path-of-the-righteous-gentile/)




Further in PART THREE: Convincing others to serve an idol; false prophets of the same book it says:


Did you catch that?

Worshiping an idol gets one the death penalty! 

The book The Path of the Righteous Gentile is filled with admonitions against idol worshiping such as these.  We can hear you say, “Christ isn’t an idol and belief in him as the Savior of mankind isn’t idol worship!”  Did you notice the footnotes above?  What did they source?  The Mishneh Torah which is subtitled, Sefer Yad ha-Hazaka.  Translated this means, Repetition of the Torah: Book of the Strong Hand.  This is a code of Jєωιѕн religious law or halakha authored by the RaMBaM, Maimonides.  What does he have to say about Christians?  Yori Yanover writing (http://www.Jєωιѕнpress.com/indepth/opinions/maimonides-islam-good-christianity-bad-muslims-bad-christians-good/2013/11/15/) for The Jєωιѕн Press says of the RaMBaM:

Has Michael Voris ever marshaled the overwhelming evidence on who really planned, executed and covered up 9-11 and then made it public to his fawning audience?  If not why not?!

Title: Re: Michael Voris dissected
Post by: Incredulous on December 13, 2021, 04:02:30 PM

I had forgotten about this post with it’s damning video evidence of Voris’s judaic agenda.

Obviously, Opus judei realized they went too far with this “talking head” and had to cover their trad market credibility losses.

Like the “miraculous Marrano”,
Roy Schoeman, they created the Anglican-jew trad convert, Taylor Marshall to cover their media gap.

Opus Dei won’t have Voris, Marshall or Vigano say anything truthful about тαℓмυdic judaism ✡️