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Offline Charity

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Michael Voris and the SSPX
« on: December 15, 2021, 10:12:32 AM »
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    • I don't know if the below video is old news on CI.    I just saw it for the first time. It's fairly outlandish to say the least.  Voris is claiming that the SSPX has been in schism for over four decades and that the the priests of the SSPX are not valid priests.  Therefore, he asserts that it you got married by a SSPX priest you are not married and if you went to a SSPX priest for confession your sins were not absolved.

    In the video Voris castigates Archbishop Levebvre and the SSPX to the nth degree.

    I was wondering if the SSPX has ever responded to this video or if Voris has ever had a public debate with someone regarding the matters he brings up in this video.





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    Offline OneShotPaddy

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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #1 on: December 15, 2021, 10:28:53 AM »
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    • Why would they bother? What the SSPX believe are their ordinaries have given them special faculties to marry and absolve regardless of what Voris thinks or believes. 

    I'm not going to bother watching but I wonder whether his validity claim is with regards to the Lienart nonsense.  I can't see any reason to object to their *validity* otherwise.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #2 on: December 15, 2021, 11:21:38 AM »
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    • I have to wonder about how many people actually pay attention to what Voris writes concerning the SSPX. There seems to be more sympathy for the SSPX position even among the conciliar crowd who are somewhat traditionally-minded, since it is obvious that Francis is very much against tradition. In reality, though, Bp. Fellay would like nothing more than to reconcile with modernist Rome. 

    Voris seems to be out of touch with what is wrong in the conciliar church today. He may just be doing what his Opus Dei buddies want him to do.

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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #3 on: December 15, 2021, 11:37:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 15, 2021, 11:21:38 AM
    I have to wonder about how many people actually pay attention to what Voris writes concerning the SSPX. There seems to be more sympathy for the SSPX position even among the conciliar crowd who are somewhat traditionally-minded, since it is obvious that Francis is very much against tradition. 

    Voris seems to be out of touch with what is wrong in the conciliar church today. He may just be doing what his Opus Dei buddies want him to do.

    Are Voris and E. M. Jones completely on the same page regarding the SSPX?  Sad to say, Jones, as far as I know, still thinks he won the debate many years ago with Michael Davies on the question of whether or not the SSPX was in schism.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #4 on: December 15, 2021, 11:42:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on December 15, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
    Are Voris and E. M. Jones completely on the same page regarding the SSPX?  Sad to say, Jones, as far as I know, still thinks he won the debate many years ago with Michael Davies on the question of whether or not the SSPX was in schism.

    I haven't kept up with Jones' position on the SSPX, so I can't answer that, but I wouldn't be surprised if he still thinks that the SSPX is in schism. Jones, like Voris, also has affiliations with Opus Dei,.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #5 on: December 15, 2021, 12:02:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on December 15, 2021, 10:12:32 AM
    I don't know if the below video is old news on CI.    I just saw it for the first time. It's fairly outlandish to say the least.  Voris is claiming that the SSPX has been in schism for over four decades and that the the priests of the SSPX are not valid priests. 
    All anyone need do, is ask MV what he was doing over 4 decades ago while +ABL's SSPX and many other courageous trads were laboring against all odds to keep and hand down the faith. We know what he was doing but it's too sickening to even mention.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #6 on: December 15, 2021, 01:04:46 PM »
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    • Excuse me, Meg, but the SSPX does NOT want to reconcile with MODERNIST Rome.  Of course they want to be in union with Rome; but until the pope stops with the heresies, they will continue doing what they're doing - preserving the true faith.  If they didn't want to reconcile with Rome they'd be in schism. You can't have it both ways. It's a long story but hope this helps you understand where the SSPX stands.  We need more prayers - not private opinions.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #7 on: December 15, 2021, 01:20:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Thorn on December 15, 2021, 01:04:46 PM
    Excuse me, Meg, but the SSPX does NOT want to reconcile with MODERNIST Rome.  Of course they want to be in union with Rome; but until the pope stops with the heresies, they will continue doing what they're doing - preserving the true faith.  If they didn't want to reconcile with Rome they'd be in schism. You can't have it both ways. It's a long story but hope this helps you understand where the SSPX stands.  We need more prayers - not private opinions.

    I believe that Bp. Fellay would gladly reconcile with Modernist Rome, and surrender the SSPX to the Modernist authorities, if he could find a way to do it. Pretty sure I'm not the only forum member to think this. 
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #8 on: December 15, 2021, 01:44:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Thorn on December 15, 2021, 01:04:46 PM
    We need more prayers - not private opinions.

    Everything you (and all of us?) think about the Church during these last 50-60 years is entirely dependent upon and relegated to the realm of private opinion.  If it were not -- i.e., if some sort of public, official statement had been made -- we would all be in complete agreement and CI wouldn't even need to exist.

    We want to be part of a divinely-established, infallible society that sanctifies us in truth: join the club, follow the directions, live a holy life, die and go to heaven.  Reality since the devastation of V2?  We are all having to make the best decisions we can respecting massively-important matters with little to no guidance from what had been THE bulwark against evil throughout the entire world from Pentecost until V2.  What is more, that which appears to be and purports to be our infallible guide is, in fact, an agent of destruction.  Go figure...

    Godspeed.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #9 on: December 15, 2021, 02:02:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on December 15, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
    Are Voris and E. M. Jones completely on the same page regarding the SSPX?  Sad to say, Jones, as far as I know, still thinks he won the debate many years ago with Michael Davies on the question of whether or not the SSPX was in schism.
    I'm reminded here of this:



    Either EMJ or Michael Davies are far from being idiots --- quite the contrary --- but you get the idea.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #10 on: December 15, 2021, 03:52:33 PM »
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    • OK - how about this:  Our private opinion must be based on prayer.  I've never ever gotten the idea that Bishop Fellay wants to be in union with MODERNIST Rome.  Of course he wants to be in union with Rome but these are strange times.  I too want to be in union with Rome but simply can't abide the imposter's heresies.  I want to see some quotes that Bishop Fellay wants to drag the SSPX into full 'union' with Modernist Rome.
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #11 on: December 15, 2021, 03:56:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 15, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
    I'm reminded here of this:



    Either EMJ or Michael Davies are far from being idiots --- quite the contrary --- but you get the idea.
    This reminds me of these two memes:





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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #12 on: December 15, 2021, 03:56:57 PM »
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    • Voris needs a better wig and just makes his money by deliberately provoking Traditional Catholics so they fight amongst each other. And E. Michael Jones does the same thing. 
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #13 on: December 15, 2021, 04:05:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on December 15, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
    Are Voris and E. M. Jones completely on the same page regarding the SSPX?  Sad to say, Jones, as far as I know, still thinks he won the debate many years ago with Michael Davies on the question of whether or not the SSPX was in schism.

    Pretty much. E.M. Jones considers the SSPX "schismatic" while he goes on to praise how the "religious revival" of KGB controlled Russian Orthodox schismatic Church is fulfilling the consecration asked for by Our Lady of Fatima. He condemns those who disagree with this patently false interpretation of Fatima as "Fatima fundamentalists", as if we're Pastor Steven Anderson "Bible-thumper" type ignoramuses. 

    It's quite evident he's been influenced by Dugin by the way he talks about Russia. 
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    Re: Michael Voris and the SSPX
    « Reply #14 on: December 15, 2021, 04:20:32 PM »
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    • Jones can't stay in business if he tells the whole truth...most people can't.

    For example: When E. Michael Jones debated Jared Taylor on the issue of "Race" and "The Jєωs", Jones was right about the Jєωs but wrong about Race while Jared Taylor was right about Race but wrong about the Jєωs. Jones continues his schtick of "only blaming Jєωs but not attacking Modernism" when he tries to convince Catholics that the worst thing that happened at Vatican II was Nostra Aetate when any honest Catholic can see that it was the destruction of the "old religion."

    Jones isn't as upset about the New Mass as a true Catholic should be and would be, after finding out all of the things he now knows about "The Jєωs". If Jones told the whole truth by putting the blame on both Jєωs and the post-Vatican II Popes, then I'd find him completely honest.....but then that would be "too honest" and possibly a "danger" to his well-being. 

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