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« on: July 12, 2012, 01:23:20 PM »
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  • While recognising its inevitability, I regret to make public some sad news :

    At the General Chapter, which is presently being held at Écône, there was a vote taken on the decision of Bishop Fellay to exclude Bishop Williamson from the Chapter.  Bishop Williamson sent an explanatory letter to each member of the Chapter regarding his understanding of the crisis that the FSSPX currently endures.  (It has not yet been made public but will be made public; I have not read it.)  Bishop Fellay abstained from voting.  The final vote was 29 vs. 9 in favour of Bishop Fellay's decision to exclude Bishop Williamson.

    Thus, we now have final proof that Bishop Fellay's coup of the Fraternity has been accomplished.  His work is complete.  Over two thirds of the members of the Chapter are his men.  The FSSPX founded by the Archbishop, as we have known it and loved it over the years, is done.

    Now, as the hardship we have expected nears, the SSPX clergy and faithful will be armed with this information when they make some weighty decisions for their futures and their families.

    In this month of July, may you all be washed in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus, Whose Heart suffers because of our sins and lack of faith.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 01:46:00 PM »
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  • Coincidence that this vote is the same 3:1 ratio of appointed positions vs. senior priests in attendance at General Chapter meetings?
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    « Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 01:55:06 PM »
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  • Well, so much for rumor.

    This seems like pretty hard evidence that the current Superior General has stacked the deck in his favor. And why?

    Why would he need to stack the deck, if he was only interested in continuing the fight for Tradition, along the lines of Archbishop Lefebvre?


    When I heard about the new Prefect for the CDF (a heretic), I was hoping that even Bishop Fellay would have to call off a deal.

    But now I'm not so certain.

    Just remember: Bishop Rifan was a traditional Bishop as well.

    Just look at the illegal exclusion of +Williamson from the General Chapter.

    Bishop Rifan did a deal, and has celebrated the Novus Ordo Mass many times since then.

    Who else might follow in +Rifan's footsteps?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 02:00:21 PM »
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  • How dare Bishop Fellay accuse the other THREE Bishops -- all of them his senior, and better man than he -- of a lack of supernatural spirit?

    That is a grave injustice that should make any good Catholic angry.

    I think the "lack of supernatural spirit" isn't on the side of Bishops Williamson, de Galarreta and de Mallerais.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 02:07:19 PM »
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    How dare Bishop Fellay accuse the other THREE Bishops -- all of them his senior, and better man than he -- of a lack of supernatural spirit?

    That is a grave injustice that should make any good Catholic angry.

    I think the "lack of supernatural spirit" isn't on the side of Bishops Williamson, de Galarreta and de Mallerais.


    It's the unclean spirit of Vatican II: inversion of the truth.

    Up is down and down is up.

    Yes is no and no is yes.

    Supernatural spirit is lack of supernatural spirit, and lack of supernatural spirit
    is -- TA-DA! -- supernatural spirit.  

    +Fellay makes accusations against "the three" when he is describing not their
    shortcomings, but his own. He is the one culpable of lack of supernatural spirit, but
    in order to criticize his opposition, he lies (OH NOT THAT AGAIN!) and says that
    "they" lack supernatural spirit.

    It's all smoke and mirrors: The smoke of satan and the mirrors of iniquity.
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    « Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 02:07:29 PM »
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  • Well, Bishop Williamson himself was excluded from voting and I doubt Fr Morgan would have voted against Bp Williamson.  So, if there are ten senior priests and Bishop Fellay is not included in that number, it means that one of them voted against Bishop Williamson.  If there are more, it means more of them voted with Bishop Fellay.  Maybe they had good reasons, such as, "When we speak out against the deal and Bishop Fellay, we do not want it to seem like it is merely Bishop Williamson talking through us, so that we can easily be discredited," or something like that.  Whoever did what, I suppose we cannot know.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 02:12:05 PM »
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    In this month of July, may you all be washed in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus, Whose Heart suffers because of our sins and lack of faith.


    This is key PereJoseph. I feel ashamed at myself for what I have done and the lack of faith in my life which has contributed, no doubt, to allowing this to pass. My the the most Sacred Heart have mercy on us, and may we be relentlessly devoted to it. Immaculate Heart of Mary, Please Pray For Us!

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    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2012, 03:42:38 PM »
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  • From the Rorate Caeli blog:

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    UPHELD: Williamson exclusion maintained by SSPX General Chapter

    Now that the matter has unfortunately been leaked and made public in the usual forums in which leaked docuмents magically appear, Rorate is independently able to confirm that the exclusion of Bishop Richard Williamson as a member of the General Chapter of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) was upheld by an overwhelming majority of the capitularies currently assembled in midterm General Chapter taking place in the International Seminary of Saint Pius X, in Écône (Valais), Switzerland.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 03:44:27 PM »
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  • From RC: It seems that + Fellay keeps the enemy more informed than his own faithful.



    UPHELD: Williamson exclusion maintained by SSPX General Chapter
    Now that the matter has unfortunately been leaked and made public in the usual forums in which leaked docuмents magically appear, Rorate is independently able to confirm that the exclusion of Bishop Richard Williamson as a member of the General Chapter of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) was upheld by an overwhelming majority of the capitularies currently assembled in midterm General Chapter taking place in the International Seminary of Saint Pius X, in Écône (Valais), Switzerland.

    The news of the exclusion of Bishop Williamson by the SSPX Superior General, Bishop Bernard Fellay, "due to his stand calling to rebellion and for continually repeated disobedience," was first confirmed by another leaked letter sent by the General Secretary of the SSPX, Father Thouvenot, on June 25, 2012, which was leaked in the same usual forums on the very same day it was received. The measure was questioned by Williamson himself, who appealed to the Chapter, whose members subsequently voted, in a secret ballot, to uphold the measure adopted by the Superior General.

    The decision seems to show that the Superior General has kept his authority within the SSPX in these decisive months of discussions and decisions regarding the Society and the Holy See.
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    Posted by New Catholic at 7/12/2012 07:45:00 PM
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    « Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 03:53:12 PM »
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    In this month of July, may you all be washed in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus, Whose Heart suffers because of our sins and lack of faith.


    This is key PereJoseph. I feel ashamed at myself for what I have done and the lack of faith in my life which has contributed, no doubt, to allowing this to pass. My the the most Sacred Heart have mercy on us, and may we be relentlessly devoted to it. Immaculate Heart of Mary, Please Pray For Us!


    How unfortunately true that is.  We knew it was coming, but we hoped against all hope that it wouldn't come to pass.  God must have a plan in all this.  

    "Have mercy on me, O God, according to Thy great mercy...."
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 04:04:25 PM »
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  • It's not the first time the Bishop has been stabbed in the back by his own. I'm not surprised by this but commend those who yet again support the Bishop here in the public sphere and more importantly offline.

    I don't doubt for a minute God is in control and these trials will bring about a greater resistance. People knew what to expect regarding Bishop Fellay.

    I will gladly join the prayer requests mentioned on the thread.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 04:21:31 PM »
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    No doubt ALL the senior priests voted against his exclusion -- while all Bishop Fellay's "men" voted to sustain the action.


    Well, Bishop Williamson himself was excluded from voting and I doubt Fr Morgan would have voted against Bp Williamson.  So, if there are ten senior priests and Bishop Fellay is not included in that number, it means that one of them voted against Bishop Williamson.  If there are more, it means more of them voted with Bishop Fellay.  Maybe they had good reasons, such as, "When we speak out against the deal and Bishop Fellay, we do not want it to seem like it is merely Bishop Williamson talking through us, so that we can easily be discredited," or something like that.  Whoever did what, I suppose we cannot know.


    Let's hope that they see how their votes have consequences, and then all of them
    might come to their senses before they vote on something more consequential!
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    « Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 04:22:41 PM »
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    In this month of July, may you all be washed in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus, Whose Heart suffers because of our sins and lack of faith.


    This is key PereJoseph. I feel ashamed at myself for what I have done and the lack of faith in my life which has contributed, no doubt, to allowing this to pass. My the the most Sacred Heart have mercy on us, and may we be relentlessly devoted to it. Immaculate Heart of Mary, Please Pray For Us!


    How unfortunately true that is.  We knew it was coming, but we hoped against all hope that it wouldn't come to pass.  God must have a plan in all this.  

    "Have mercy on me, O God, according to Thy great mercy...."


    Well, the FSSPX is not the Church, so hopefully the gradual disassociation of the fight for the Faith of the Kingdom of God exclusively with the institution of the FSSPX will actually make people focus more on becoming holy and enthroning the Sacred Heart in their homes and less on the vicissitudes of high international politics with Modernist Rome and Germany and the Italian mafia.  These things have their place, but perhaps people trusted too much in the FSSPX and their status as "traditionalists," allowing, meanwhile, their fervour to wane in wake of the world creeping into their homes and daily lives.  To me, therefore, it seems that it was necessary for the cause of Our Lord to be distinguished from the FSSPX as such in order to rebuke the mounting liberalism and laxity -- not to mention doctrinal incoherence -- within it.  When this decline began is hard to tell.  What will happen amongst all the parties involved now is harder to tell.  The Hand of Providence is visible here as always, but it is, naturally, not always to see.

    My personal hope is that this disassociation will precisely lead to the purification of the faithful and a great increase of faith, discipline, hope, and the spirit of prayer.  No more cushion will block for us the hardness of the reality of the Church's situation, and we will instead be forced to pray and move forward, or else !  No more twiddling our thumbs until Menzingen finds a way to solve the centuries of corruption, the political oppression of the Holy See, the widespread apostasy by means of the Robber Council, and so forth.  Also, perhaps this will unite traditional Catholics, since it will be that much harder to pretend to have jurisdiction for one's theological opinions or jurisdiction as such.
     
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    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2012, 04:23:57 PM »
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  • The $$PX is not about the Catholic Faith anymore.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 12, 2012, 04:23:58 PM »
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  • Whilst they vote to exclude the Bishop, I note that Maximilian Krah was at the Novus Ordo in Latin at the Brompton Oratory in London. Whilst he isn't a cleric of the Society, I would of thought  he would have attended Mass at a Society chapel whilst in London. If he regards the SSPX as a conservative Catholic group, he would be quite at home at the Brompton Oratory.

    Krah states on Facebook
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    Eher weniger zufällig - Brompton Oratory ist liturgisch m.E. die beste Adresse der ganzen Welt. Und zudem ein exzellentes Beispiel, wie man heute Großstadtseelsorge machen muss.

    Rather less random - Brompton oratory is liturgical my opinion the best all over the world. And in addition, city must make an excellent example, as it is today.


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    Noch heute ist die 10:30-Sonntagsmesse Novus Ordo in Latein mit Römischem Kanon. Ich war 2011 zur Gründonnerstag, Latein, aber wohl neu, es war nicht zu spüren. Großes Theater! Groß! Die Rückgewinnung des Glaubens wird bei uns Katholiken über den Kultus erfolgen, so wie bei den Protestanten über die Schrift. Drum findest Du nahezu keinen wirklich gläubigen Protestanten, der nicht zum evangelikalen Bibelkreis geht, ebenso wie Katholiken unter 40, denen Gott noch irgendwas bedeutet, nahezu durchweg eine Schwäche für den alten Ritus haben. Diese Bewegung ist mE auch nicht aufzuhalten. Die "Reformepoche" ist vorbei. Und wir sind die Avantgarde!!!

    Today is the 10: 30-Sunday mass of Novus Ordo in Latin with Roman Canon. I was however new 2011 to the Maundy Thursday, Latin, it was not. Great theater! Gross! The recovery of faith will be with us Catholics about the culture, as well as for the Protestants of the script. Drum you will find almost no really believing Protestants who goes not to the Evangelical Bible district, as well as Catholics under 40, whom God is still something almost consistently have a weakness for the old rite. This movement is mE also unstoppable. The "reform era" is over. And we are the avant-garde