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Mgr Williamson Excluded by Council Vote
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2012, 06:45:01 AM »
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  • With regard to the exclusion of Mgr Williamson, can anyone actually state any VALID reasons for this? Let me see, yes, he publishes his regular letters 'Eleison Comments', so what's wrong with that? As a bishop it is his duty to reach out to his flock and write about the faith, what is right and what is wrong. He has been against an agreement with Rome and has published numerous articles, including in Eleison Comments, as to why, and always based on Tradition and faithful to the writings and teachings of Mgr Lefebvre. True, he has also made statements which are at odds with neo-Vatican statements which purport to 're-instate' the Jews... ahem., he has made his 'personal views' on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, and 9/11, but those are personal and not related to traditional teaching. So... my friends, do please tell me why so many priests called for his exclusion? On what basis? Surely not because he disobeyed the Superior General :fryingpan:!!!
    But, surely those priests, with their 7-year formation can tell the difference between what is and what is not the legal jurisdiction of the Sup.Gen.??? So, why? Surely not because they were personally appointed by Mgr Fellay and feel they owe him?  :shocked:
    I, for one, am bemused...  :confused1:
    Oh, well, keep up the good work Mgr Williamson  :whistleblower:

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    « Reply #46 on: July 15, 2012, 06:49:42 AM »
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  • Faber has posted this on Ignis Ardens.

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10202
    Open Letter to Msgr. Williamson, Faithful write to +W. Please sign!

    Open Letter to Msgr. Williamson by some faithful published by SPES - Seminário Permanente de Estudos Sociopolíticos Santo Tomás de Aquino, friends of Dom Tomás de Aquino, Prior of Mosteiro da Santa Cruz, Nova Friburgo RJ, Brazil.


    Carta Aberta a Dom Richard Williamson (Portugues)
    Carta abierta a Monseñor Richard Williamson (Spanish)
    Offener Brief an Msgr. Richard Williamson (German)


    Hopefully someone can add an english translation and post it here and mail it to spessantotomas[at]gmail.com. The letter can be signed via mail to spessantotomas[at]gmail.com.


    http://www.spessantotomas.blogspot.ie/
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    Open Letter to Msgr. Richard Williamson
    Most Reverend Excellency,

    With this letter we would like to show you our support in these moments when you have been unfairly and unlawfully excluded from the general chapter of the Society.
    We do not know what decisions have been reached in the chapter. Perhaps we will see the miracle of the deposition of Bishop Fellay, perhaps the Society can be rebuilt from the foundations, for we know that those who are in command have destroyed it. But it is most probable that the authorities remain in power and are proceeding to the expulsion of bishops, priests and laymen who have shown their disagreement with the behavior of their superiors.
    If this is the case, Your Lordship, you can count on us. We are no more than a few believers concerned for the fate that the Society will suffer, but believe that we are ready to support you and all the priests and bishops who have valiantly decided to raise their voices against the politics being carried on by the superiors.
    We, the faithful, have had enough of the manner in which the authorities lie to us; we have had enough of the secrecy that they practice. We want a return to the days when the Society was completely transparent, when they spoke clearly to us, when they said that it does not matter if we are excommunicated from this church, which is not the Catholic Church, when everyone, priests, bishops, and superiors, spoke to us in the same way.  They told us that the Second Vatican Council is intrinsically perverse, and that the conciliar magisterium can not be accepted; they warned us that we ought to stay far away from the groups that have been absorbed by Rome, such as the Fraternity of St. Peter, Campos, the IBP, etc. Therefore, invoking these same teachings and warnings, we, the faithful, ought to flee the Society, if it follows the same path.
    We do not want the Rosary crusades to be used for the purpose of deception; we do not want to hear tendentious statements and interviews, meant to deceive us. We believers have decided that it is ENOUGH, we will not be led by wolves, for they are leading us to the slaughterhouse.
    For these reasons, we support you, in you we continue to see the teachings of the Church of all time, which Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society have always taught us; we thank you and our Lord, who has sent us a Good Shepherd who looks after his sheep.
    We depend on you, because we know how much you have fought tirelessly for Tradition, for the Society, for the kingdom of Christ on earth. You have handed on what you have received.
    May God our Lord and His Most Holy Mother protect you and help you in the great battle which is only now beginning.
    In Christ the King and the Mary Most Holy:


          R.P. Ernesto Cardozo
    Carlos Nougué –Brasil
    Ana de Valle –México
    Rosa Nougué –Brasil
    Gabriela De Valle –México
    Oscar Di Marco –Argentina
    Jerónimo Zoto –Guatemala
    Luciano P-V
    Axel Alvarez Frati –Argentina
    Evandro Santana Pereira –Brasil
    Leonardo Maciel –Brasil
    Andrea Patrícia Ferreira –Brasil
    Ulisses Ricardo Gomes –Brasil
    Giovana Alves da Cunha Gomes –Brasil
    Davi Marques da Cunha Gomes –Brasil
    Jamile Xavier –Brasil
    André Xavier –Brasil
    Othon Souto Campos –Brasil
    Marcela Oliveira –Brasil
    Diego Rivera –Espanha
    Eugênio Mendes de Souza Lima –Brasil
    Aline Soares –Brasil
    Isaac Monteiro Segundo –Brasil
    Burkhard Strauss –Brasil
    Marion Kurtz Strauss –Brasil
    Luiz Paulo de Alcântara –Brasil
    Adriana Delazari Zamprogno –Brasil
    Bartolomeu Zamprogno –Brasil
    Giovanna Maria de Melo Machado –Brasil
    Helga dalla Líbera Oliveira –Brasil
    Mateus Germano Moreira Frota Tibúrcio –Brasil
    Jorge Feitoza –Brasil
    Edivaldo G. Pinto Júnior –Brasil
    Benoît Boucher –Canadá
    John Sullivan – United States


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    « Reply #47 on: July 16, 2012, 01:25:12 PM »
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  • In addition to signing the Open Letter to +Williamson, I'm recommending to my
    friends that we use the links in the Eleison Comments email to send H.E. a
    donation.

    I know some who have been sending their support to Winona for many years, and
    they had thought that it is going to +Williamson! I was surprised to hear this, for he
    was sent to Argentina many years ago, and Fr. Yves LeRoux took over in Winona
    as Rector. This shows how slowly things happen in the minds of Catholics.

    So get out your EC email and use the instructions there to "DONATE" and I'm sure
    that +Williamson will be appreciative of that!!

    +God Bless!
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    « Reply #48 on: July 16, 2012, 01:44:12 PM »
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  • There are several English translations from other languages on IA: German, French, Spanish and Portuguese. Here is the Spanish one. It seems pretty good:

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    Here's another translation from the Spanish. It's kind of a free translation, but catches the essence:


    An open letter to Msgr. Richard Williamson

    Most Reverend Excellency:

    By means of this letter we wish to demonstrate to you our support at this moment in time when you have been unjustly, and against your rights, excluded from the General Chapter of the the SSPX.

    We don’t know what decisions were made at the Chapter. Perhaps, we will see the miracle of Msgr. Fellay’s deposition (so that) the Society can be rebuilt from the foundations, since we know that those in command have made a shambles of it.

    But most probably, the (present) authorities will remain in power, (then) will proceed toward the expulsion of member bishops, priests and laity who have expressed disagreement with the behavior of their superiors.

    In that case, esteemed Msgr, you can count on us. We are just several faithful ones who are worried about the the Society’s future and (the course it is pursuing), but you may believe that we are (ready) and disposed to help you, (and to help) all the other priests and bishops who have bravely determined to raise a voice against the politics (being) carried out by the leaders.

    We the faithful are tired of the way in which the authorities lie to us. We’re tired of the the secretiveness they practice. We desire to return to those times in which the Society was totally transparent, when we were spoken to clearly, when they told us that it didn’t matter that we were excommunicated from that church which is not the Catholic Church, when everyone, priests, bishops and (sspx) authorities, spoke to us in the same way. They explained to us that the V2 (was) intrinsically evil, that the Conciliar Magisterium could not be accepted. They warned us that we ought to distance ourselves from all those groups which had been absorbed by Rome, like the FSSP, Campos, IBP, etc. Therefore, invoking those same teachings and warnings, we the faithful ought to flee from the Society if it follows the same path (as these others.)

    We no longer want Rosary Crusades to be used to deceive (us); we no longer want to listen to tendentious speeches and interviews which are meant (only to) deceive. We, the faithful, say Enough! We don’t want to be guided by wolves who lead us to the slaughter.

    For all of this, we support you. In you we continue to see the teachings of the Church of all time, the teaching of Msgr. Lefebvre and what the Society (always used to) teach us. For all of this we give thanks, to you and to Our Lord, Who has sent to us a good shepherd who watches over the sheep.

    We stick to you because we know that you have struggled tirelessly for the (preservation) of Tradition, for the Society, and for the Reign of Christ on earth.

    You have transmitted to us what you received.

    That God Our Lord and His Most Holy Mother preserve and help you in the great battle which has just begun.


    In Christ the King and the Most Holy Mary,
    (The undersigned)
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