Author Topic: Private Interpretation -- of Tradition (Read 3011 times)

Lighthouse · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2015, 11:19:50 PM »

One needs to "drink deep" the actual offering by Pope. (Alexander, not a Catholic Pope).

Quote

"A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.”

Learning not knowledge. Even Aquinas started with a little learning and grew into greatness. But the learning needs to precede the knowledge, or you'll never get there. The problem comes when people jump to claim knowledge without having done any learning.

Lad:

Quote

Most SVs who fling the charge of "heresy" out there refuse to acknowledge what are called the theological notes.

Not my experience. I first heard of theological notes from SVs.

Quote

No, the point is that very few if any SVs understand the term heresy and just shoot from the hip.

That's not a point, it's an unproven allegation. Do you manufacture straw men for a living? And you speak of "shooting from the hip"?

I don't think Matthew's original point was directed completely against SVs, but you have risen mightily to prove that it was. Maybe you need to hang out with a better class of SVs.

TKGS · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2015, 07:29:51 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Ladislaus
In order to become a heretic, one actually has to embrace HERESY. And most of the errors they impute to the V2 Popes are actually lower-degree errors.

And, as everyone knows, as long as the heresy is less than 50%, he's not really a heretic. Right.

No, the point is that very few if any SVs understand the term heresy and just shoot from the hip. Yes, if there's one heresy, then that's all you need. But, here's the conundrum; the only charge of heresy that might stick is the denial of EENS. But most SVs hold the same EENS theology as the V2 Popes, so in calling them heretics on those grounds they merely condemn themselves.

No. The point is that even you, when you are being candid and aren't guarding against saying something "wrong", know in your heart that the "V2 Popes" are heretics.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2015, 09:54:50 AM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

Not my experience. I first heard of theological notes from SVs.

Nothing BUT my experience and a universal trend among CI SVs. Just like at the Crisis section.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2015, 09:56:17 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Ladislaus
In order to become a heretic, one actually has to embrace HERESY. And most of the errors they impute to the V2 Popes are actually lower-degree errors.

And, as everyone knows, as long as the heresy is less than 50%, he's not really a heretic. Right.

No, the point is that very few if any SVs understand the term heresy and just shoot from the hip. Yes, if there's one heresy, then that's all you need. But, here's the conundrum; the only charge of heresy that might stick is the denial of EENS. But most SVs hold the same EENS theology as the V2 Popes, so in calling them heretics on those grounds they merely condemn themselves.

No. The point is that even you, when you are being candid and aren't guarding against saying something "wrong", know in your heart that the "V2 Popes" are heretics.

Only on the subject of EENS can they be considered heretics (nothing else sticks); again, the problem is that I would then have to consider most SVs heretics (like the Dimonds do) for holding basically the same position on EENS.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2015, 10:00:59 AM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

That's not a point, it's an unproven allegation. Do you manufacture straw men for a living? And you speak of "shooting from the hip"?

No straw men; the truth. SVs are constantly hurling around the charge of "heresy". So, for instance, Religious Liberty is NOT heresy, yet 99% of SVs hurl that around. Ecuмenism is NOT heresy. What's left is the V2 ecclesiology, which is only heretical if most SVs themselves are equally heretical, since V2 ecclesiology is nothing other than Suprema Haec ecclesiology.