Author Topic: It would seem that SOME accordistas... (Read 3636 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #15 on:** June 05, 2012, 10:55:39 PM »

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..It was a confusion, a deception to soften the hearts and to weaken the will
of Catholics defending the Faith.

And then doctrinal talks. Now we're going to make a deal.

After the doctrinal talks, it was declared:

"Rome has not changed its position.
Rome's still accused of Modernism.
Rome is still rejecting the Faith.
The Society is still holding the Faith.
Nothing has changed,"
so said Bishop Fellay.

And now, it's changed. Now we're going to make a deal.
Now we're going to be accepted and regularized.

Now we're going to receive a personal prelature.
And all the docuмents are secret.
And all the communications are secret.
And all of the going back and forth is secret.
You don't keep truth a secret.

You don't keep truth a secret, but you do keep lies a secret. You do
keep evil a secret. And you keep deception a secret. That's why all the
secrecy of the last several years, because if Bishop Fellay, Father Fulger,
and Father Nely,
the superiors of the Society of St. Pius X stood up boldly, told us the truth,
everyone would have rebelled. And so they said, have confidence.
You're just foolish, stupid, idiotic, moronic sheep, and your job is
to never think, only pay, pray and obey.

You don't need to know your faith. You need to have confidence in your
holy superior. You don't need to know what he's doing with your faith.
There are secret communications. What are these communications about?
They are about the faith.

And the faith was not meant to be placed under a bushel, so said
Jesus Christ, but upon the candlestand. The faith is meant to be publicly
professed and publicly confessed, and to unto the time of death.

Now, they avoided heresy, they avoided heretical statements until
the last 2 weeks. Now the deal is almost done. The betrayal is almost complete...

Yes, they serve the Jews, the freemasons, the agnostics who pretend to be Catholic because they develop some Hegelian "hermeneutic" that empties the Faith of all meaning.

And Bishop Fellay's response is to be the obscurantist. To stop telling the truth about who they are and what they believe.

To hire Zionists to the higest positions, to approve of collaboration with Freemasons. To play the role of a latter day Iscariot.

Nothing less. To be a bully. To be a cult leader. To threaten priests with expulsion for telling the truth.

So that he can lead the faithful who followed Archibishop Lefebvre to the final dissolution.

Wessex · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2012, 04:11:39 AM »

I am sure an Opus Dei solution is something the management cannot resist. From a business point of view it could achieve substantial material benefits by appealing to a new generation of wealthy benefactors that like the idea of retaining an interest in traditional cultures as distinct from the mainstream for the masses. The old European families left behind by history that paid for the Society in the beginning have died off; their children trained in modern ways are more circuмspect.

The leadership has been removing the old guard from centre-stage. With its assumed divine right to rule it also relies on contemporary corporate management styles in their treatment of customers. And it will create a customer base that best suits it; more liberal and less reactionary. However, the Society is not alone in having to consider some ideological realignment. Conservatism generally has redefined itself and become more flexible; this is the Vatican 2 appproach. An aversion to remaining on the sidelines must be the leadership's thinking but it is in for a rude awakening if it thinks by joining the Roman club that it will be given a seat of some importance.

AJNC · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2012, 06:26:36 AM »

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An aversion to remaining on the sidelines must be the leadership's thinking but it is in for a rude awakening if it thinks by joining the Roman club that it will be given a seat of some importance.

True. They are schoolboys in a Roman world of post-graduates.

JohnGrey · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2012, 12:04:04 PM »

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Menzingen has no one to blame but itself for the firestorm of speculation and discussion on the Internet. The entire situation could have been avoided had they been more forthcoming. Instead, they've chosen to operate a Pravda-style publicity campaign to keep all of us guessing as to their true intentions. :read-paper:

Catholics have a strong natural interest in this story -- after all, our souls are at stake!

The poor judgment demonstrated by +Fellay and Co. on the PR front makes me even more fearful of the kind of agreement they've "negotiated" with Rome.

It just shows that Fellay is not an idiot. Mendacious prig, yes, but not an idiot. He knew very well when undertaking reconciliation with the Conciliar anti-church that full disclosure of his capitulation would've meant instant mass exodus of a significant, perhaps even majority, portion of the faithful attached to the Society. Disinformation has bought him:

1.) Sufficient time to establish himself as a martyr, pressed between the "Church, still persisting in error" and the militant "would-be sedevacantists" that reject reconciliation short of Rome's complete repudiation of false, Vatican II religion.

2.) Money. Despite the confusion, I'd imagine that the vast majority of faithful attached to the SSPX are still contributing financially to it.

3.) Entrenchment of the Goldilocks syndrome in those faithful attached to the SSPX that support a deal. It's a phenomenon I've found throughout the many stripes of pseudo-traditionalism. For "traditional" conciliarists, modernists are too liberal and the SSPX too conservative to the point of purported schism. To some in the SSPX, now, the false dichotomy that conciliarism is too liberal and sedevacantism too militant, again to the point of purported schism.

No, it was a political masterstroke on his part in terms of attempting to produce the greatest temporal benefits to himself and his comrades. If it were 1960, he would've gotten away with it completely. However, the digital age (that is, the release of letter from the Three and his response), has been his undoing. Be not deceived, God is not mocked.