Author Topic: Mgr Mller: No more talks with SSPX (Read 3063 times)

AntiFellayism · « **on:** October 04, 2012, 12:29:53 PM »

Glaubenspräfekt Müller: Keine Gespräche mehr mit Piusbruderschaft

Rough translation of the important parts:

Prefect of the faith Müller: No more talks with SSPX

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Immediately before the 50th anniversary of the Second Vatican Council, the new prefect of the CDF, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, declares the traditionalist Society of Saint Pius X. for not worthy of negotiation. He said literally: "This fraternity is for us no negotiating partner, because there are no negotiations about the faith."

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The prefect of the CDF clarified in his talk with „NDR Kultur“: "There are no discounts regarding to the catholic faith, especially as he also has been validly formulated by the Second Vatican Council. The Second Vatican Council is not opposed to the tradition of the whole Church, at best, [it is opposed] to some misinterpretations of the catholic faith." Archbishop Müller said furthermore: "We cannot abandon the catholic faith to the negotiations. There are no compromises." The CDF is going to decide in union with the Pope how to proceed. The SSPX has the declaration at hand, which they have to accept, emphasised Müller. "I think there are now no more new talks" said the prefect of the faith.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11034

Belloc · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:33:38 PM »

well, then, that is good-NewChurch does not want to talk and much of SSPX does not, either...rather leaves +Fellay in an unusual position then.a bit of egg on the face.....

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:51:09 PM »

Msg Muller is RIGHT in annihilating +Fellay's idea that he could "negotiate the faith" but he's WRONG in thinking he himself has the Faith.

I think they can still hold hands 95% of the times though.... far away from our Chapels that is.

Go +Fellay and leave us the heck alone because the damages you have caused in Tradition is beyond measure!!!

We will not forget it.

May the three bishops (or at least the dinosaur) wake up and perform the needy NEW CONSECRATIONS at Econe after kicking the traitor out into retirement and its muppets to the FSSP or GSI.

wallflower · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:03:13 PM »

"No compromises, no negotiations about Faith..."

Hey isn't that our line?

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:15:56 PM »

Not that it's a good thing, or something to joke about, but in all seriousness I would expect news like this to throw "I don't know if I can take another 2 years of this Church Crisis" accordistas into paroxysms of despair, leading to all sorts of rash behavior, including giving up the Faith, etc.

Remember, we're talking about weak people, here.

It sounds extreme, but apparently it can happen, and it DOES happen.

When I was at the seminary, I heard about one seminarian (years before I got there) that left the Faith altogether soon after the left the seminary.

I know that when you leave something like a seminary, you pretty much have to "fall" from the heights you're at. The question is, when do you catch yourself? Apparently some don't catch themselves until they hit the bottom.

I know other SSPX ex-seminarians that went worldly; others married pants-wearing Novus Ordo women and became "conservatives", and going on to do things like baptize one's baby at 7 months of age...

I know one ex-sem who became a sedevacantist, and is currently hanging around Bp. Dolan and Fr. Cekada.

There are a few old friends of mine who still aren't married, for various reasons. There are quite a variety of ways one can deal with the partial seminary experience.

Belloc · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:19:00 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

"No compromises, no negotiations about Faith..."

Hey isn't that our line?

they are dishing the whigs, if I am stating it correctly.......though a truer statement could be "we have the NewFaith" on their part, we have the eternal and true..

Belloc · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:22:07 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

married pants-wearing Novus Ordo women

I tried to be serious, butt this made me crack up

:applause: , a flash back to my/your FE days..recall that? a long thread on pants...

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:45:22 PM »

Secretum Meum Mihi has the interview in Spanish. Hope it helps some.

http://secretummeummihi.blogspot.com/

Belloc · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:57:41 PM »

This SSPX in-fighting, reminds me of some very sober words

“The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other Bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. ..“The demon will be especially implacable against the souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of My sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will no longer be pardon for them. "

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2012, 02:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Not that it's a good thing, or something to joke about, but in all seriousness I would expect news like this to throw "I don't know if I can take another 2 years of this Church Crisis" accordistas into paroxysms of despair, leading to all sorts of rash behavior, including giving up the Faith, etc.

Remember, we're talking about weak people, here.

Or perhaps just confused. Have the humility to thank God for the gift of Faith which you have. Pray for those who may feel they have nowhere to turn.

Incredulous · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2012, 05:24:24 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

"No compromises, no negotiations about Faith..."

Hey isn't that our line?

It was, but our SG quietly jettisoned that program over ten years ago.

At least Mueller is honest. He knows Conciliarism and Tradition cannot mix.

His modernist mind is deranged, but more "anchored" than Bp. Fellay's mind, that thinks irreconcilable Doctrinal differences can be glossed over.

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2012, 05:36:35 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: wallflower
"No compromises, no negotiations about Faith..."

Hey isn't that our line?

It was, but our SG quietly jettisoned that program over ten years ago.

At least Mueller is honest. He knows Conciliarism and Tradition cannot mix.

His modernist mind is deranged, but more "anchored" than Bp. Fellay's mind, that thinks irreconcilable Doctrinal differences can be glossed over.

This is why I have said, and continue to say, the neo-catholics and neo-trads are the worst enemies of the Church. At least you know what you are getting with a manifest heretic like Mueller. The real danger to Tradition are those who seek to fit the square of Tradition into the circle of Modernist Rome.

stgobnait · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2012, 05:52:12 PM »

yes,but we are not going to live forever, whats left ? Bells and smells..... cry!

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2012, 06:35:29 PM »

Bells and smells are for the Rorate Coeli crowd, it won't cut it for traditionalists.

We need to pray so the three bishops may use their courage to impeach the impostor or break away to continue the work of Archbishop with or without buildings, period.

The longer it takes the greater the confusion and damage will be. The scattered sheep is in desperately need to know where the shepherds and wolves are...

We need to have them clearly set apart because resistance is starting to shoot indiscriminately at all directions, even towards friends... and guess what? That's just going to benefit our foes.

Pablo · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2012, 07:23:12 PM »

Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller:"This fraternity is for us no negotiating partner, because there are no negotiations about the faith."

The intent of Archbishop Müller's statement was not completely investigated by the reporter. The reporter was satisfied with this knife in the back of Tradition.

Were he to have been honest, he should have asked:

"Herr Archbishop Müller, is there someone worthy of discussions?"

The answer would have been:

"Yes. But of course. Father Joseph Pfeiffer."

"He is the most formidable defender of the Holy Faith"

"... This SSPX in-fighting, reminds me of some very sober words..."

Where do you get in fighting?

I believe the Holy Mother and her Son have had it with the Bishop Fellay Regime, the Brown Shirts, and the Whited Sepulcher Pharisees of the Surrendered SSPX and are dumping them.

And good riddance.

The booted Padres can get back to the work of the Church:

Canon Law of Holy Mother Church:

Suprema Lex Soli Solimarum: The Supreme Law is the Salvation of Souls.

Here are a few more sober words:

«... “Divine Providence often permits even good men to be chased out of the Christian communion through the unruly activities of carnal men. If they bear this undeserved affront with great patience for the peace of the Church, if they do not foment any new heresy or schism, they teach the world with what true attachment and with what sincere love God must be served. Their desire is to re-enter the Church when the trouble has passed. If they are forbidden to do so, if the storm lasts, or if their return were to arouse a similar or even more violent storm, they continue to wish well even to those through whose machinations and intrigues they have been chased out. Without ever forming separate conventicles, they defend to the death and they confirm with their testimony the faith they know to be preached by the Catholic Church. Then the Father crowns them in secret, He who sees them in secret. Such men are rare, yet examples are not wanting: and they are even more numerous than might be thought.» (Saint Augustine, Liber de vera religione, 11)

"... they continue to wish well even to those through whose machinations and intrigues they have been chased out..."

The Holy Priests that have been booted from the Regime are intended for the souls most abandoned, and chased away from salvation.

My prayer is that the Trads not think they can continue to pull the same baloney they have pulled for many years, buying Priests and building Chapels in their backyards that they can control, and measuring others according to their personal virtue.

And many other low down filthy things. they continue to wish well even to those through whose machinations and intrigues they have been chased out.

We need to become Catholic again; this is a fresh start for us all.

Concerning the three Bishops: Don't wait around for them to use the points on top of their head gear for the purpose they were intended.

Blessed be God in all His Angels and all His Saints.

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