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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Mgr Fellay
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2017, 12:48:35 PM »
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  • Yes, another unpleasant fact.  The days of erudition are pretty much behind us now.
    With all due sir, I'm opting out of this particular "us" if it includes the likes of non-Catholic, disordered, modern lay-bishops.
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #31 on: September 30, 2017, 01:07:21 PM »
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  • Few Bishops have the ability to be theologians, so time would not help them.
    The training of modern Bishops and priests is very thin compared to past times when a lot of priests would continue their studies for twelve years or more. This produced clerics with theological depth and comprehension which is rare today.

    Since the council it is usually four to six years and then off to the altar and the pulpit.
    The theology offered in seminaries has been deficient even before Vatican II.

    In the past, priests and bishops had more of a spiritual training akin to being in a monastery, with the monastic priests and bishops having a better grasp of theology because they prayed, not because they studied. God reveals Himself to those who love Him. Hence the greatness of St. Dominic, St. Teresa of Avila, and St. Therese of Liseaux.

    Jesuits receive mainly a secular education, with emphasis on obtaining a secular degree during their formative years as well as taking the mandatory two years of philosophy and two years of theology. Their persistent philosophizing infected society at large, especially in Europe and in Russia, which led not only the secularization of Europe, but also to the downfall of the Russian Orthodox society and their church even before Soviet times. The Renaissance was not a rebirth, but the beginning of the end of society.

    While I was a Dominican Tertiary studying in college, the seminarians at the local Dominican college struggled with advanced philosophy, many leaving the seminary as atheists with inane "logical" questions like: Why is this a chair? Does a chair have existence? They told me that they felt like they were dissecting God and had destroyed Him in the process. Some of the priests struggled with agnosticism for years, so it was not surprising that they eventually fell into temptation and left the church to marry. It was a severe crisis of faith brought on by the incessant questioning of philosophy instead of unceasing prayer before God.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #32 on: September 30, 2017, 01:13:08 PM »
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  • Yes, another unpleasant fact.  The days of erudition are pretty much behind us now.

    You know, it only takes a bit of reflection and observation to see that these are "Bizarro World" anti-bishops whose job it is not to "do" Theology, but to undo it and to get others to follow suit.

    It's a return to the days when nothing is, with all "being" being an unbecoming becoming.

    There's no room for the likes of Aquinas in this "non-possimus", perpetual place of potential.

    This also means that there is no room for Pure Act, for God.

    This is "change" that we can't believe in, if for no other reason than that there can be no "we", or "here" to be.

    Clever, diabolic bastards.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #33 on: September 30, 2017, 01:23:39 PM »
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  • You know, it only takes a bit of reflection and observation to see that these are "Bizarro World" anti-bishops whose job it is not to "do" Theology, but to undo it and to get others to follow suit.

    It's a return to the days when nothing is, with all "being" being an unbecoming becoming.

    There's no room for the likes of Aquinas in this "non-possimus", perpetual place of potential.

    This also means that there is no room for Pure Act, for God.

    This is "change" that we can't believe in, if for no other reason than that there can be no "we", or "here" to be.

    Clever, diabolic bastards.
    You are no doubt describing that Jesuit heretic, Teilhard de Chardin, who had a tremendous but diabolical influence upon Pope Francis.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #34 on: September 30, 2017, 01:45:58 PM »
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  • You are no doubt describing that Jesuit heretic, Teilhard de Chardin, who had a tremendous but diabolical influence upon Pope Francis.

    I refer to him, and to his likewise bastard kin; none of these critters were formed whole cloth 'ex nihilo', though all seem eager to return there.

    As to this "other" creature "Pope Francis", speaking of "non-being" and specifically of non-entity, I am unaware of any such ma'am.
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #35 on: September 30, 2017, 01:51:36 PM »
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  • I refer to him, and to his likewise bastard kin; none of these critters were formed whole cloth 'ex nihilo', though all seem eager to return there.

    As to this "other" creature "Pope Francis", speaking of "non-being" and specifically of non-entity, I am unaware of any such ma'am.
    LIke Teilhard de Chardin, Francis has become a formal heretic, worshiping with heretics and declaring that we should not evangelize non-Christians against the admonition of Christ Who commanded that we are to evangelize the entire world, baptizing all.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #36 on: September 30, 2017, 06:47:24 PM »
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  • LIke Teilhard de Chardin, Francis has become a formal heretic, worshiping with heretics and declaring that we should not evangelize non-Christians against the admonition of Christ Who commanded that we are to evangelize the entire world, baptizing all.
    This is enough, as such to conclude that the man is acting as a public heretic but there are many other instances of this.  Where are our clerics who should be pointing out this truth of fact?
    Sadly, the sedevacantists and non-Catholics are the only ones at present, who will admit to this.
    And in fact, all of the conciliar popes have been equally guilty of these religious crimes in teaching and promoting the false conciliar religion. Instead we hear our shepherds telling us that these men do not know what they are doing, or that they are invincibly blind to their errors. For God's honor and sake, these men were Bishops and Cardinals of the Church! No excuse can be found that they do not know that they have defected from the Faith that they were brought up in, and trained in for many years.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #37 on: September 30, 2017, 08:57:34 PM »
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  • This is enough, as such to conclude that the man is acting as a public heretic but there are many other instances of this.  Where are our clerics who should be pointing out this truth of fact?
    Sadly, the sedevacantists and non-Catholics are the only ones at present, who will admit to this.

    Well, there is the correctiofilialis the signatories of which are neither sedevacantists nor non-catholic.
    Www.correctiofilalis.org
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #38 on: November 03, 2017, 09:09:48 AM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre did sign all the docuмents.
    Correction, he signed all but two: Dignitatus Humane and Gaudium et Spes.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #39 on: November 06, 2017, 07:43:01 AM »
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  • I thought Archbishop Lefebvre did reject publicly the signing of the Vll docuмents after the fact.

    Please excuse the coarse analogy, but the Filial Correction is like picking at a pimple when the boil that needs to be lanced (Vll) feeding the pimple right next to it is left alone. it was written without addressing the root problem of Vll, and the assumption is that the signers agree there were no heresies prior to Francis worth addressing. It appears that if they could go back to the Church of 2013, they would all be fine with it.
    I find that by signing this docuмent Bishop Fellay, joins this faulty attitude, rather than distinguish himself from it.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #40 on: November 06, 2017, 08:39:28 AM »
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  • I thought Archbishop Lefebvre did reject publicly the signing of the Vll docuмents after the fact.

    Please excuse the coarse analogy, but the Filial Correction is like picking at a pimple when the boil that needs to be lanced (Vll) feeding the pimple right next to it is left alone. it was written without addressing the root problem of Vll, and the assumption is that the signers agree there were no heresies prior to Francis worth addressing. It appears that if they could go back to the Church of 2013, they would all be fine with it.
    I find that by signing this docuмent Bishop Fellay, joins this faulty attitude, rather than distinguish himself from it.
    You could be right. Maybe ++Lefebvre did reject them post-VII. I don't really keep up with all the latest dope on who's doing what. I have enough to do just keeping body and soul together. And, for me, that's a job in itself. I'm sure you understand.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #41 on: November 06, 2017, 09:46:45 AM »
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  • God bless you, too!

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #42 on: November 06, 2017, 12:58:37 PM »
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  • Maria Regina:
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    Jesuits receive mainly a secular education, with emphasis on obtaining a secular degree during their formative years as well as taking the mandatory two years of philosophy and two years of theology. Their persistent philosophizing infected society at large, especially in Europe and in Russia, which led not only the secularization of Europe, but also to the downfall of the Russian Orthodox society and their church even before Soviet times. The Renaissance was not a rebirth, but the beginning of the end of society.
    I'm really interested in this, Maria.  I'd PM  you privately for more information, but am not sure the PM feature even exists on this new format, (which I don't care for, BTW).
    Anyway, your comments about the Jesuits are fascinating.  The sspx employs the 'Ignatian Silent Retreat' formula almost exclusively at their various retreat centers world wide, and have done so since the early 70s.  I'm not sure that ABL was responible for introducing the Ignatian Retreat scheme initially, but he seemed to have bought into it whole hog thereafter.   It seems that an old priest, Fr. Barrielle,(now dead) made it a permanent part of the Society's operational fabric.  Loyoya's "Spiritual Exercises" form the basis of the Society's Ignatian Retreats.  Each retreatant gets a copy of SE at the close of each week long retreat event.
    Do you imply by your comments that the Spiritual Exercises themselves may be under some kind  of "secular" influence? 

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #43 on: November 06, 2017, 04:19:34 PM »
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  • Bishop Felay  thinks he is defending the faith when he signs a docuмent with many who accept Vatican II (see the sources of the docuмent)
    He and the neo sspx commit grave sins of omission by not correcting the heresies of this anti pope. And it is a sin of omission to cower behind
    this conciliar docuмent so as not to offend his humbleness the anti pope :cussing:!

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #44 on: November 06, 2017, 05:45:33 PM »
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  • I agree to your analysis.

    The SSPX is Trad-lite.
    They never maintained the intellectual firepower or had the will to coherently analyze and refute the Council docuмents.

    But they protected a good semblance of priestly formation, and staunchly defended the Tridentine Mass.

    For 40 years, this was an effective, public rebuff of Vatican II's demon-child, the Novus ordo missae.
    Well Said I agree, History unfolds the way it does. Not always the way we would like it to, even with Pious Intentions.