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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Mgr Fellay
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2017, 09:29:15 PM »
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    • Granted, +ABL was caught-up in the mass confusion of the Council perpetrated by Paul VI and a league of modernist infiltrators.
    He lacked the time or resources to fully understand what was happening?

    It took a while to sort it all out, and dissect the theology. 

    It was Dr. Plinio Correa de Oliveira who commissioned Atila Sinke Guimaraes to get to the root of the theology.
    After years of scholarly research, interviewing many of the key players, he determined it was not Catholic.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #16 on: September 30, 2017, 12:05:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 29, 2017, 09:29:15 PM

    Granted, +ABL was caught-up in the mass confusion of the Council perpetrated by Paul VI and a league of modernist infiltrators.
    He lacked the time or resources to fully understand what was happening?

    It took a while to sort it all out, and dissect the theology.

    It was Dr. Plinio Correa de Oliveira who commissioned Atila Sinke Guimaraes to get to the root of the theology.
    After years of scholarly research, interviewing many of the key players, he determined it was not Catholic.

    Vatican II Exposed (ELI, LAMA SABACTHANI" )
    Bishops rarely have the time to theologize. It takes time and lots of concentration.
    Guimaraes had the time and the intellect to make sense of Vatican II and to determine that it was definitely not Catholic.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #17 on: September 30, 2017, 12:12:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on September 30, 2017, 12:05:07 AM
    Bishops rarely have the time to theologize. It takes time and lots of concentration.
    Guimaraes had the time and the intellect to make sense of Vatican II and to determine that it was definitely not Catholic.

    With all due ma'am:

    1. Exactly how, by whom and what were the producers of said docs?
    2. Really think about what you assert, namely that Catholic(?) BISHOPS rarely have time to THEOLOGIZE.
     1. Who ORDINARily teaches the faith?
     2. Who ORDINARily oversees the formation of priests?

    Who and what exactly forms the Ecclesia DOCENS again?

    Who ORDINARily approves LOCAL Catechisms?

    Just what, exactly, is a bishop's job description again?

    What are those colors on their duds again? What do they mean?

    How can they CONFIRM us in a faith that they can't even ID?

    How can they expect us to know what they don't?

    TL;DR- Who is responsible, who accountable regardless of excuse?

    Just where does the buck stop then?

    How can they have a RIGHT and POWER to rule without the corresponding DUTIES and OBLIGATIONS?

    If they "don't have time" and "just don't understand", then how dare they claim that we don't? How would they know then if they "don't have the time to theologize"?

    I'm not trying to beat you up or down miss/ma'am, but the soft soap is EXACTLY how we got here.

    We did not insist.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #18 on: September 30, 2017, 12:17:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 30, 2017, 12:12:54 AM
    With all due ma'am:

    1. Exactly how, by whom and what were the producers of said docs?
    2. Really think about what you assert, namely that Catholic(?) BISHOPS rarely have time to THEOLOGIZE.
     1. Who ORDINARily teaches the faith?
     2. Who ORDINARily oversees the formation of priests?

    Who and what exactly forms the Ecclesia DOCENS again?

    Who ORDINARily approves LOCAL Catechisms?

    Just what, exactly, is a bishop's job description again?

    What are those colors on their duds again? What do they mean?

    How can they CONFIRM us in a faith that they can't even ID?

    How can they expect us to know what they don't?
    Bishops form committees made of lay theologians and priestly canon lawyers to handle theological matters. Note the U.S. Bishops' Conference commissions committees to write docuмents. Yes, the bishops may meet in committees to read and approve said docuмents.

    Even the Pope commissions someone to write his encyclicals. Rarely does a pope pen such a docuмent. Yes, he may read it, or he may ask a theologian to read it for him.

    Bishops have to oversee their parishes, and that takes a lot of time. They must learn to delegate or they will burn out.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #19 on: September 30, 2017, 12:18:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on September 30, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
    Bishops form committees made of lay theologians and priestly canon lawyers to handle theological matters. Note the U.S. Bishop's Conference commissions committees to write docuмents. Yes, the bishops may meet in committees to read and approve said docuмents.
    Even the Pope commissions someone to write his encyclicals. Rarely does a pope pen such a docuмent. Yes, he may read it, or he may ask a theologian to read it for him.
    Bishop have to oversee their parishes, and that takes a lot of time. They delegate.

    Been nice talking.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #20 on: September 30, 2017, 01:16:01 AM »
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    • Maria Regina, even my mentally retarded brother (now in heaven) knew enough theology tknow what is Catholic and what is not. It's sheer nonsensense to say that bishop's don't have time. THey've got all the time God gave them, weighty responsibility to protect the faithful  from error.They are our shepherds you know.  Nothing complicated about reading and checking what your glorified secretary writes. If there's something wrong you send it back. You don't approve.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #21 on: September 30, 2017, 01:19:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 30, 2017, 01:16:01 AM
    Maria Regina, even my mentally retarded brother (now in heaven) knew enough theology tknow what is Catholic and what is not. It's sheer nonsensense to say that bishop's don't have time. THey've got all the time God gave them, weighty responsibility to protect the faithful  from error.They are our shepherds you know.  Nothing complicated about reading and checking what your glorified secretary writes. If there's something wrong you send it back. You don't approve.

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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #22 on: September 30, 2017, 01:23:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 30, 2017, 01:16:01 AM
    Maria Regina, even my mentally retarded brother (now in heaven) knew enough theology tknow what is Catholic and what is not. It's sheer nonsensense to say that bishop's don't have time. THey've got all the time God gave them, weighty responsibility to protect the faithful  from error.They are our shepherds you know.  Nothing complicated about reading and checking what your glorified secretary writes. If there's something wrong you send it back. You don't approve.
    Nadir, I studied theology in college. We had to take a course every semester.

    Today's bishops are not Catholic, neither do they know what is Catholic.
    See Father Paul Kramer's paper on Pope Francis being a formal heretic.

    Today's Vatican II bishops are not bishops. They just delegate, so that they have more time to take the wide road to hell.
    Dante said that the roads in hell are paved with the skulls of priests and the bishops are the lampposts.
    I might add that the lampposts do not give forth light.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #23 on: September 30, 2017, 01:39:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 29, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
    Granted, +ABL was caught-up in the mass confusion of the Council perpetrated by Paul VI and a league of modernist infiltrators.
    He lacked the time or resources to fully understand what was happening?

    It took a while to sort it all out, and dissect the theology.

    It was Dr. Plinio Correa de Oliveira who commissioned Atila Sinke Guimaraes to get to the root of the theology.
    After years of scholarly research, interviewing many of the key players, he determined it was not Catholic.

    Vatican II Exposed (ELI, LAMA SABACTHANI" )
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    Bishops rarely have the time to theologize. ...
    Quote from: Maria Regina on September 30, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
    Today's bishops are not Catholic, ...
    (emph. DZP)
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #24 on: September 30, 2017, 02:07:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on September 30, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
    Nadir, I studied theology in college. We had to take a course every semester.

    Today's bishops are not Catholic, neither do they know what is Catholic.
    See Father Paul Kramer's paper on Pope Francis being a formal heretic.

    Today's Vatican II bishops are not bishops. They just delegate, so that they have more time to take the wide road to hell.
    Dante said that the roads in hell are paved with the skulls of priests and the bishops are the lampposts.
    I might add that the lampposts do not give forth light.
    Even so, the bishops are still responsible for what is done in their name.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #25 on: September 30, 2017, 02:10:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 30, 2017, 02:07:23 AM
    Even so, the bishops are still responsible for what is done in their name.
    Of course, and that is why many will go to hell.
    A bishop's responsibilities before God is much greater, and this is why some saints have declined to be consecrated as a bishop.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #26 on: September 30, 2017, 04:33:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on September 30, 2017, 12:05:07 AM
    Bishops rarely have the time to theologize. It takes time and lots of concentration.
    This is the statement that you made and that my post was a response to. What has your theology study to do with it. Besides if they are not bishops why are referring to them as bishops? And making the above statement? Curiouser and curiouser!
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #27 on: September 30, 2017, 10:51:20 AM »
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    • Few Bishops have the ability to be theologians, so time would not help them.
    The training of modern Bishops and priests is very thin compared to past times when a lot of priests would continue their studies for twelve years or more. This produced clerics with theological depth and comprehension which is rare today.

    Since the council it is usually four to six years and then off to the altar and the pulpit.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #28 on: September 30, 2017, 12:22:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: JPaul on September 30, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
    Few Bishops have the ability to be theologians, so time would not help them.
    The training of modern Bishops and priests is very thin compared to past times when a lot of priests would continue their studies for twelve years or more. This produced clerics with theological depth and comprehension which is rare today.

    Since the council it is usually four to six years and then off to the altar and the pulpit.

    Then it remains as to what this "four to six years" consists of; ideology isn't theology.
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    Re: Mgr Fellay
    « Reply #29 on: September 30, 2017, 12:41:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 30, 2017, 12:22:38 PM
    Then it remains as to what this "four to six years" consists of; ideology isn't theology.
    Yes, another unpleasant fact.  The days of erudition are pretty much behind us now.
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