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Message of Father Ortiz
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 03:29:39 AM »
Donkath,

 Fr. Chazal arrives in Sydney on Thursday 24th June, 2013. The itinerary will be similar to Fr Pfeiffer's in April

Sorry Donkath,

SHOULD READ THURSDAY 27TH JUNE, 2012

Message of Father Ortiz
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 05:10:14 AM »
Quote from: Gail
Donkath,

 Fr. Chazal arrives in Sydney on Thursday 24th June, 2013. The itinerary will be similar to Fr Pfeiffer's in April

Sorry Donkath,

SHOULD READ THURSDAY 27TH JUNE, 2012


Thank you Gail will pass it on.


Message of Father Ortiz
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 09:09:56 AM »
I got an answer from Fr Ortiz. There is no other preambule written. He wanted to say that the first preambule, written in 2011 was better than the one written on 15th April 2012. Fr Ortiz thought during a while that there was a third docuмent, because of a misunderstanding due to several names : "doctrinal declaration" and "doctrinal preambule". But there none.

Message of Father Ortiz
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 09:18:00 AM »
I correct my last sentence : but there is no other preambule or declaration.

Message of Father Ortiz
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 01:49:24 AM »
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Quote from: In the OP it
... Please find attached an excellent study on the Doctrinal Preamble, which I recommend you TO READ IT AND TO GIVE AROUND COPIES.




It's really important to circulate these copies because people will not read
them if you just give them a link to go to.  It takes too much trouble to
read and type in a URL address.  You can send a link by e-mail and maybe
that will work, but handing them a paper copy is about the surest way you
have that they might read it.  Copy in hand is now and always has been
the most powerful means of spreading the news.  That's why newspapers
exist, you know.  That's why magazines are in business.



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We fear that something even worse will come to light very soon : the DOCTRINAL DECLARATION, which the last General Chapter (July 2012) asked Bp. Fellay to redact, after the rejection by Rome, for "political" reasons, of Bp. Fellay's Doctrinal Preamble in June.




The thing you're fearing would show up one day has shown up. read the
new thread that BrJoseph started today. It's not a docuмent, but
a contract with a branding company -- some pagans who have
redefined what the Society is, for a FEE$$$$.



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As you can see, the main issue in our combat is about FAITH.

We have a double duty towards Faith: to profess it and to defend it.

The defense is always characterized by the condemnation of errors, which is precisely what the leaders of the SSPX are not doing, as in the past.
This is a characterized sin of omission.




100% correct!  The condemnation of error was the power of the Keys that
Pope John XXIII hung up on a coat hook in 1962 in his M.R.S. -- and now,
the Society has bought into the same program, with the BRANDING OF
THE SSPX.


See the thread linked above.



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Remain "steadfast in the Faith" (St Peter).

Keep united organizing some meetings in your houses, praying, deepening your faith, and most of all in mutual charity.

God bless you all.

Fr. Juan C. Ortiz

http://www.archbishoplefebvre.com/1/archives/04-2013/1.html







Quote from: InDominoSperavi
I got an answer from Fr Ortiz. There is no other preambule written. He wanted to say that the first preambule, written in 2011 was better than the one written on 15th April 2012. Fr Ortiz thought during a while that there was a third docuмent, because of a misunderstanding due to several names : "doctrinal declaration" and "doctrinal preambule". But there none.


How many times have I said that the name "preamble" should not be
used for the AFD, the Doctrinal Declaration?  It only leads to confusion.

So here is proof that I was right.  And we are going to see a lot more
confusion as different groups start talking about these things, and one
group is going to presume the other group said this when they meant
that and so on and so forth.  All of this could be avoided if a unique
name was used, and AFD is a stroke of genius -- thanks to Fr. Chazal.

When one of your own has a great idea you should use it.