Author Topic: Menzingen issues directive silence. (Read 5084 times)

Machabees · « **on:** November 28, 2012, 10:57:39 PM »

Menzingen issues directive -silence.

In Fr. Pfieffer’s new sermon (Nov. 25)
at 12:40, he says: A new directive from Menzingen was issued a couple weeks ago to all superiors throughout the SSPX –No District superiors-No Priors-and No Priests are to speak about the relations with Rome. Only Menzingen will give the “official” communications. If someone asks you about it, then tell them “nothing”. You will get the “official” communications from above.

Translation = It is Vatican II-B time, so follow the script!

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #1 on:** November 28, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2012, 11:18:36 PM »

I thought +Fellay had said we were back in 1974...

:scratchchin:

Francisco · « **Reply #3 on:** November 28, 2012, 11:47:36 PM »

Quote from: AntiFellayism

I thought +Fellay had said we were back in 1974...

:scratchchin:

He did, but mean't 1984

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2012, 12:36:05 AM »

bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2012, 07:39:29 AM »

Quote from: Machabees

Menzingen issues directive -silence.

In Fr. Pfieffer’s new sermon (Nov. 25)
at 12:40, he says: A new directive from Menzingen was issued a couple weeks ago to all superiors throughout the SSPX –No District superiors-No Priors-and No Priests are to speak about the relations with Rome. Only Menzingen will give the “official” communications. If someone asks you about it, then tell them “nothing”. You will get the “official” communications from above.

Translation = It is Vatican II-B time, so follow the script!

The priests at all levels are totally gagged:

Quote from: TKGS

Frankly, based on chapel conversation, I would say that at least three-quarters of the parishioners go there because they like it more than the Novus Ordo, it's the only thing they know, and/or it's just more convenient that the archdiocesan indult or other conservative Conciliar parish.

Before Vatican II, many fallen away Catholics and Protestants were converted after attending a funeral service and hearing a profound sermon.
In the same way, the SSPXers that came because they "like it more than the Novus Ordo" (or the reverence, or smells and bells, etc.), can be instructed by a good priests as to why they are there. A good priest, who cares for his sheep, will grab the opportunity to convert the people.

The problem, as I keep saying, is that the SSPX has changed, and they have consciously decided to control the sermons by removing all militancy from the sermons. They have stopped connecting the sermons to the real world. The Novus Ordo church has been doing it since the 1960's, they could preach each and every day (they have sermons every day, not just Sundays) and still keep the people dumb by not tying it to how it applies today. I could preach all day about faith, hope, charity, love, peace, the Ten Commandments, if however, I don't connect them to how they apply today, they are all useless sermons. This is what the SSPX has been consciously promoting among the priests for like at least 10 years now. NO militancy and no direction.

You see, it does not matter why a person initially comes to an SSPX chapel, unless they are left that way, and if they are left that way, it is the fault of the SSPX. In the long run, nothing happens in politics by chance. If the SSPX faithful go to mass at a chapel because they like the music, then, they are ignorant because the SSPX wants them that way.

PAT317 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2012, 08:24:41 AM »

Quote from: bowler

I could preach all day about faith, hope, charity, love, peace, the Ten Commandments, if however, I don't connect them to how they apply today, they are all useless sermons.

This.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2012, 01:28:56 PM »

Quote from: bowler

The problem, as I keep saying, is that the SSPX has changed, and they have consciously decided to control the sermons by removing all militancy from the sermons. They have stopped connecting the sermons to the real world. The Novus Ordo church has been doing it since the 1960's, they could preach each and every day (they have sermons every day, not just Sundays) and still keep the people dumb by not tying it to how it applies today. I could preach all day about faith, hope, charity, love, peace, the Ten Commandments, if however, I don't connect them to how they apply today, they are all useless sermons. This is what the SSPX has been consciously promoting among the priests for like at least 10 years now. NO militancy and no direction.

Just thinking about it, and the new priest has given some really excellent sermons. And he often speaks of the need to remember Our Lady, the rosary, and our scapulars. But I don't think I have ever heard him mention the errors of Vat 2. (Though he has mentioned the errors of the Protestants) The priest before would also preach on various issues, but you could count on it every Mass, he would bring what ever he was talking about into some kind of reference to the errors of V2, and how we needed to avoid it. (Actually found it a bit redundant at the time, no matter what he was preaching about, he always found a way to tie in the evils of the Concilar Church)

:scratchchin: :shocked:

Machabees · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2012, 08:29:33 PM »

Quote from: bowler

The problem, as I keep saying, is that the SSPX has changed, and they have consciously decided to control the sermons by removing all militancy from the sermons. They have stopped connecting the sermons to the real world. The Novus Ordo church has been doing it since the 1960's, they could preach each and every day (they have sermons every day, not just Sundays) and still keep the people dumb by not tying it to how it applies today. I could preach all day about faith, hope, charity, love, peace, the Ten Commandments, if however, I don't connect them to how they apply today, they are all useless sermons. This is what the SSPX has been consciously promoting among the priests for like at least 10 years now. NO militancy and no direction.[/quote]

"...by removing all militancy from the sermons."

That is an interesting way to say it. In fact, we also have not heard of any "militancy" at the chapel I attend for almost a year now; and may I say, No militancy = No direction!

As Fr. Pfieffer says, we are in the Church Militant, and if the consecrated souls (priests) do not want to "bark" from the pulpit, then the "rams" in the pasture need to fight the enemy all the more with their horns.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2012, 08:38:23 PM »

Bishop Fellay, how about just ending discussions with Masonic Rome?

It seems he'd rather learn the hard way.

KyrieEleison · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2012, 06:56:13 AM »

Quote from: Machabees

Menzingen issues directive -silence.

In Fr. Pfieffer’s new sermon (Nov. 25)
at 12:40, he says: A new directive from Menzingen was issued a couple weeks ago to all superiors throughout the SSPX –No District superiors-No Priors-and No Priests are to speak about the relations with Rome. Only Menzingen will give the “official” communications. If someone asks you about it, then tell them “nothing”. You will get the “official” communications from above.

Translation = It is Vatican II-B time, so follow the script!

There's a name for this new directive---control freak comes to mind.

KyrieEleison · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2012, 07:01:54 AM »

Quote from: Francisco

Quote from: AntiFellayism
I thought +Fellay had said we were back in 1974...

:scratchchin:

He did, but mean't 1984

I was thinking the same thing.

Don't think or speak Fathers or faithful, Menzingen will do all that for you, and they are watching you so don't slip up and have any clear Catholic thinking thought for yourselves or you will be punished severely.

:scared2:

JMacQ · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2012, 05:18:04 PM »

If a priest speaks in favour of a deal with Rome, will he be punished for disobeying this "directive"?

We know the answer: NO.

The office help must think that the faithful are fools.

Well, we can not be fooled anymore.

:boxer:

Machabees · « **Reply #13 on:** December 02, 2012, 03:31:30 PM »

Isn't it very coincidental that with Menzingen's new directive of "silence" to the priest members, that we, the catholic faithful, also get at the same time a "slam" for us to keep silent and to go to sleep in their official SSPX.org "Pasture's Corner: The “need” to know all vs. peace of soul"?

Perhaps dear leaders of the SSPX, have you forgotten that it is the "authorities" that serve the Faith and that the Faith CANNOT be silenced?

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2012, 05:07:39 PM »

Quote from: Machabees

"...by removing all militancy from the sermons."

That is an interesting way to say it. In fact, we also have not heard of any "militancy" at the chapel I attend for almost a year now; and may I say, No militancy = No direction!

As Fr. Pfieffer says, we are in the Church Militant, and if the consecrated souls (priests) do not want to "bark" from the pulpit, then the "rams" in the pasture need to fight the enemy all the more with their horns.

Too many of today's rams act like ewes, or gelded rams.