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Bishop Fellay was ready to sign, and God put a roadblock in front of him.

But God did not remove "Bp Fellay and his gang" which are the root of the problem. They didn't change their minds at all, on the contrary. They're just cleansing their Neo-SSPX now i.e. they throw out all the truth-loving clerics and layfolk they can catch (see denial of Holy Communion).

The Menzingen Wizard of Oz facade Crowd have their work cut out for them if they think they can hurdle the wall that God put in front of them. For they will have to convince the other priests and the laity that they must accept Vatican II, and the validity of the new mass, and whatever Mueller says. That's quite a hurdle. Until then every day that goes by more people are learning the truth.

This is like Vatican II all over again, yes, and just like in Vatican II, the novelties kept getting more obvious as time went by, and eventually Abp. Lefebvre saw it clearly ans started the SSPX.

Quote from: Bowler

Bishop Fellay was ready to sign, and God put a roadblock in front of him.

But God did not remove "Bp Fellay and his gang" which are the root of the problem. They didn't change their minds at all, on the contrary. They're just cleansing their Neo-SSPX now i.e. they throw out all the truth-loving clerics and layfolk they can catch (see denial of Holy Communion). They can do so easily because they're in control of the SSPX -- naturally, because they're the superiors. See my quotes of Archbishop Lefebvre below.

So Bishop Williamson's prognoses at the Bristol Conference in June 2012 was correct, of course because he thinks straight to the end :
Fr Chazal quoted Fr Pfluger, who said, “Wait until the General Chapter and then there will be a big purge.” So they’re going to get to the General Chapter, and they’re going to sail through the General Chapter with a majority, as they hope. They undoubtedly count on having a majority in their pocket, and then if they win the vote then there will be a great purge. Heads will roll afterwards. Anybody who’s in opposition will be eliminated, crushed, smashed, driven out.

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God is in control.

Well, that is a platitude in our context really. Because we all know that God is in control always, and so he was also in control during the Fall of Lucifer, during the Fall of Man, during the Reformation, during Vatican II, and he will be in control during the up-coming Chastisement.

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Nothing has been signed and everyone of the Menzigen Crowd and their plans and lies have been exposed to the light.

Only for those people who speak English AND (big and) have access to the Internet and know where to look at.
And I can assure you that amongst the larger continental European SSPX districts only a few percent of the priests and layfolk speak English. Also I can assure you that in the non-English-speaking European areas of the Internet there's just silence about Fellay-Gate. Most of these SSPX Catholics don't even know one bit of the Krahgate, which is now how old ... three or four years?

For example in the German speaking area of Europe where I live in, about half of the formerly (i.e. from April 2012 onwards) resisting SSPX priests have either been thrown out (like Fr. Weinzierl), been silenced (i.e. the mustn't preach or do catechisms anymore) or are looking for "exits" from the Neo-SSPX right now...

Which means: the "yes-men" in the SSPX dominate even more.

Well stated,Ethelred. As 'Krahgate' is mentioned, it is worth noting the Menzingen lawyer attended the Zionist/Jєωιѕн fundraiser in September 2010.

Whilst I'm not suggesting Krah is present at this event in the photograph, it is a recent event Oren Heiman attended.As docuмented, Heiman is
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.ie/2012/06/maximilian-krahs-handler-oren-heiman-co.html

This is a followup to yesterday's posting, SSPX Superior Bp. Fellay's Lawyer/Business Partner's Visit to Israeli Military Special Forces Base Docuмented.

In that posting docuмentation shows that Bishop Fellay's lawyer and business partner Maximilian Krah accepted the invitation of his friend Oren Heiman to visit a base of the "Maglan" special forces unit of the Israeli Military.

Oren Heiman is the U.S. Chairman of a Zionist organization, "Yesh Sikuy" ("Israel's" Hope) of which the Executive Chairman is the former head of Mossad, Meir Dagan.

See the screenshots below. Bishop Fellay's lawyer and business partner Maximilian Krah directly associated himself with this "Yesh Sikuy" organization by 'liking' it on 'Facebook.'

Quote from: Ethelred

Bowler, you need to calm down.
There's no need for a Cathinfo greenhorn like you to attack constructive and established Cathinfo folks like the esteemed Nadir.

Yes, the forwardmost front line is no place for woman, but they help the fighting soldiers. For example by bringing ammunition to the front or such, and I think this is done of Cathinfo. :-)

See also Sanct Brigitta of Sweden who openly opposed the bad Avignon popes. Desperate times call for desperate measures. And our time's desperate for sure.

If any of those women that you mention had come to the front to tell the soldiers that "they're basically kaput, as it stands. It's just a matter of time before it goes", to face reality", as Nadir said, they would have kicked their behinds back to where she came from. Womens emotions have no place in the battlefield. There are also men with those same feminine emotions, who also have no place in the battle field.

Don't twist my words. Here they are:

There is no unity in the SSPX. Whether the SSPX is converted back to Tradition or goes under the novus ecclesia, the Church will survive. What it looks like we don't know. But the present SSPX (not the soldiers as you have said) is basically kaput, as it stands. It's just a matter of time before it goes. It won't be the end of the world but it may feel like it is.

My original point stands, and is valid. That is, that you confuse/equate (identify might be a better word) SSPX with the CHURCH.

God raises up whoever or whatever He needs for the battle.
Are you fighting to save the Jesuits?
No?
Why not? God raised the Jesuits up for a special purpose in a special place in a special time.

Same goes for many different orders and institutions, including SSPX. I am not saying that SSPX is not worth fighting for. What I am saying is that if it goes under today, God will raise up whoever and whatever He wills to continue the work His work. It may be those priests who have been evicted or ostracised by SSPX heirarchy or an entirely different group or groups.
I just know that when SSPX stops doing His Will they go under, are kaput

BTW, this forum is open to men and women equally. So far, I have seen no evidence to the contrary. You should talk to Matthew about banning women.

Ever heard of S. Jeanne d'Arc?

Quote from: bowler

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My original point stands, and is valid. That is, that you confuse/equate (identify might be a better word) SSPX with the CHURCH.

God raises up whoever or whatever He needs for the battle.
Are you fighting to save the Jesuits?
No?
Why not? God raised the Jesuits up for a special purpose in a special place in a special time.

Same goes for many different orders and institutions, including SSPX. I am not saying that SSPX is not worth fighting for. What I am saying is that if it goes under today, God will raise up whoever and whatever He wills to continue the work His work. It may be those priests who have been evicted or ostracised by SSPX heirarchy or an entirely different group or groups.
I just know that when SSPX stops doing His Will they go under, are kaput

Thank you Nadir for your well-conceived posts. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer recently preached that the SSPX leadership plays with fire, and he added: with the fire of hell. I think that they already caught it, when we consider the strong words of Archbishop Lefebvre against the modernists in Newrome whom the Neo-SSPX wants to join.

I really think you think like our good Bishop Williamson. And I appreciate him a lot, that's why I just have to quote him so many times, isn't it. This time from 2008, but his words are atemporal and match our current Neo-SSPX situation perfectly. The wrong idea of the SSPX being the "Last Cartridge" of God is in many SSPX heads in my experience, and in particular in the leadership's heads. And it looks like this exaggerated opinion of oneself opened the door to the self-destruction of the SSPX we're seeing today (but which was prepared for years)...



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Eleison Comments XLVII, 24th May 2008

Last Cartridge

A priestly colleague of the Society of St. Pius X has just written (or maybe adopted) a parable whereby the Society is the last cartridge of a hunter who must shoot to kill the monster of neo-modernism entrenched within the structures of the Catholic Church. Since it is the last cartridge, the hunter cannot afford to miss! Well, the „hunter“ may be burdened, but let me attempt to assure him that he is not burdened that much!

First and foremost, the Catholic Church belongs to Almighty God who has numerous possible ways of coming to its rescue that we men cannot even imagine. „Is my arm shortened because you men are wicked?“ asks the Lord God (Isaias 50:2). To imagine that the Lord God depends upon the SSPX to deal with the monster of neo-modernism is gravely to underestimate His powers!

Secondly, neo-modernism is surely far too entrenched in Catholics (or former Catholics) for a little Congregation of some 450 priests to be able to dislodge it! Just as the crime of abortion has become more and more normal and accepted over the last 40 years, so too has the heresy of neo-modernism more and more established itself over the same time-period in the hearts and minds of the mass of Catholics (or once Catholics). By the grace of God, the SSPX may still have the Truth, but what grip or leverage does truth still have on diabolically disoriented minds, starting with those of today’s leading churchmen?

Thirdly, what power does the SSPX have other than the – today – powerless Truth? Besides the Faith, the SSPX has neither great numbers nor great theologians nor great writers. It is holding its own all over the world, which is already a miracle, but it is fragile and in worldly terms it is advancing surely no more than one little step at a time, whereas the worldwide Revolution is advancing by leaps and bounds.

No, dear colleague. The humble mission of the SSPX is surely not to kill the storm dead (as only Our Lord could do), but to ride it out. Not to overwhelm the lies, but to sustain the Truth. Not to conquer, but to give witness. Not to be in a hurry, but to wait for God’s good time. It is His Church, and He is certainly looking after it by, amongst other things, sustaining thus far the SSPX. But He is never short of cartridges!

Bishop Richard Williamson
La Reja, Argentina

Thanks for posting that letter from +Williamson, Ethelred, in regard to SSPX NOT being the Last Cartridge (Eleison Comments XLVII, 24th May 2008) Very apt!

That being said, I want to share with those, who are not aware, of a group founded in Italy. We attended their Holy Masses while living there. Their website (English page) is here:  http://www.sodalitiumpianum.com/index.php?pid=1

I have never seen them mentioned on this forum, but that doesn't mean you don't know. I may be bringing coals to Newcaste.

Still we were very impressed and uplifted by the Mater Boni Consilii Institute (Institute of the Mother of Good Council). Originally they were former SSPX priests who established a new institute with their own seminary. They are in Italy, France, Argentina, Belgium and the Netherlands.

God has more than one iron in the fire!

Are they sedevacantes? Who ordains the new priests?

Why don't you ask them? You have the link.

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Are they sedevacantes? Who ordains the new priests?

Why don't you ask them? You have the link.

They are sedeprivationist. Friends of mine assist at their Mass in Ireland.