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Men, What Attracts Them to Mass
« on: February 18, 2014, 02:14:09 PM »
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  • When I was a child living in South America, I remember seeing the men standing around outside of church during mass, waiting for their wives, and smoking cigarettes and talking about whatever.

    When I became a teenager, I stopped going to mass altogether, just about a year before the Novus Ordo was imposed.

    When I came back to the Church I was like about 40, and I went to the Novus Ordo for about 3 months before I discovered a Traditional Latin Mass. In that short time in the Novus Ordo, I noticed that there were few men at mass.The population in the USA is composed of 50/50 men and women, yet the mass is like 80% women at least.

    I've asked myself many times why don't men go to mass? My answer is that the majority of priests today are not the type of men that men would look up to, or follow. Why not? Because an abnormally high percentage of priests today are feelings oriented, a trait which corresponds to only about 15% of men, according to Myers-Briggs Personality Test.

    A feelings oriented priest does not have a clue how to lead men by his actions and words, he just does not have it in him. They are in short, artists, men concerned with the incense, vestments, music, marble. A feelings oriented priest will try to draw men to mass by doing what would attract himself, and by the very action will repulse men.

    I believe that until the clergy is better balanced to include more non-feelings oriented priests, we will continue down the same road.

    What do the men on CI think about that? Ladies, I doubt you will understand what I'm talking about here.

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    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 02:25:37 PM »
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  • In remember that in reading the story of The Cure de Ars, what attracted the men in the countryside to come to his mass and return to the Church, was the fact that the Cure was a farmer just like them, and he could do the work better that they could. He was a humble authority on farming. He was a man that the men looked up to and respected and the men began to emulate him and go to mass  and become real Catholics.

    Fr's Hewko, Pfieffers, Bolduc (RIP), Soos, and Young are examples of SSPX priests that could draw men to come to mass, to name a few. They are however, a dying breed within the SSPX. The priest coming out of Winona since Bishop Williamson was ousted to Argentina, are not the same at all. It appears almost like that the current prerequisite for an SSPX seminarian is that he not be a leader type.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 02:28:35 PM »
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  • There are a few reasons in my opinion.  I agree that the conciliar priests focus on feelings as a rule.  However, I don't see that tendency in the SSPX.  I go to Mass to worship God.  Since the NO has removed a rightful form of worshipping Our Lord, I think that men (and women), can see that it is not pleasing to God.  Maybe men, generally speaking, are more concerned with right worship.  As far as the sermons are concerned, I am definitely repulsed by the sermons found at Novus Ordo churches.  They are absurdly sentimental.  The sermons at our SSPX chapel, on the other hand, are great.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 02:32:39 PM »
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    There are a few reasons in my opinion.  I agree that the conciliar priests focus on feelings as a rule.  However, I don't see that tendency in the SSPX.  I go to Mass to worship God.  Since the NO has removed a rightful form of worshipping Our Lord, I think that men (and women), can see that it is not pleasing to God.  Maybe men, generally speaking, are more concerned with right worship.  As far as the sermons are concerned, I am definitely repulsed by the sermons found at Novus Ordo churches.  They are absurdly sentimental.  The sermons at our SSPX chapel, on the other hand, are great.


    How long did you go to the NO,  and how long have you gone to the SSPX? Was your priest trained under Bishop Williamson or Fr. LeRoux?

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    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2014, 02:34:54 PM »
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  • It is belief in God that draws us to the traditional mass.

    Also, the personality survey of men is possibly faulty, in that the same man at different times will have either rational or emotional signs dominant. Of course over time a general average of expected behavior for a man could be known, but these results would be modified with time also.
    Men are generally logical because of their cultural conditioning, but Catholic women are logical because they have Catholic culture. Now men are inculturated to be effiminate, and they succumb to it because of the power of conditioning. This is one reason I think the modern society of man are hypocrits, because they will condemn something to appear masculine, and the act of condeming will be an act to enforce the culture of the society they live in, which is effiminate. Hence they falsely pretend masculinity while enforcing the laws that support a feminine society.

    No one else notices these things except me.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2014, 06:47:06 PM »
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  • I pray that all are drawn for the soul purpose that Christ is truly present, it is His Precious Blood, that is in all the sacraments that save us.  The Cure of Ars was known to cry over the sins.  Maybe, for men to see a man cry, moved them.  As a lady, for the time being, I see pride is a big factor for the reason people do not come.  They may view the people within the  church for the sacraments as holier than thou.  As long as they are outside, they don't get it, the Precious Blood and the powers that we all need.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2014, 07:48:18 PM »
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    The kinds of priests who talk only about feelings are not real men, IMO.  And I'm a woman!  If I want to hear a man speaking to my feeeeelings, I'll watch reruns of Dr. Phil!  The present priest at my sspx chapel trained under Bp. Williamson.  He gives excellent sermons.  The tone in novus ordo and Protestant churches is set by women, but Christ the King is a man!  Our Lady is Queen.  Feminine priests are a huge turn-off.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 12:03:40 AM »
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  • I think that is a cultural issue. Here there is an equal number of men going to mass as there are women. I remember hearing a story about a young man who went to a different part of the country. The women started to pray the rosary. They were surprised to see this young man pull out his rosary to join them in prayer.  


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    « Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 12:09:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    It is belief in God that draws us to the traditional mass.

    Also, the personality survey of men is possibly faulty, in that the same man at different times will have either rational or emotional signs dominant. Of course over time a general average of expected behavior for a man could be known, but these results would be modified with time also.
    Men are generally logical because of their cultural conditioning, but Catholic women are logical because they have Catholic culture. Now men are inculturated to be effiminate, and they succumb to it because of the power of conditioning. This is one reason I think the modern society of man are hypocrits, because they will condemn something to appear masculine, and the act of condeming will be an act to enforce the culture of the society they live in, which is effiminate. Hence they falsely pretend masculinity while enforcing the laws that support a feminine society.

    No one else notices these things except me.


    The bold hits it, with some extrapolation.

    The feminization of religion, which is achieved by modernism which makes religion ultimately a feeling, is why men aren't at mass.  Moderns equate religiosity as a womanly attribute, ergo men are superficially repulsed by it.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 12:40:51 AM »
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    There are a few reasons in my opinion.  I agree that the conciliar priests focus on feelings as a rule.  However, I don't see that tendency in the SSPX.  I go to Mass to worship God.  Since the NO has removed a rightful form of worshipping Our Lord, I think that men (and women), can see that it is not pleasing to God.  Maybe men, generally speaking, are more concerned with right worship.  As far as the sermons are concerned, I am definitely repulsed by the sermons found at Novus Ordo churches.  They are absurdly sentimental.  The sermons at our SSPX chapel, on the other hand, are great.


    How long did you go to the NO,  and how long have you gone to the SSPX? Was your priest trained under Bishop Williamson or Fr. LeRoux?


    I was raised in the novus ordo.  I went to the NO until some time in my twenties when I just stopped seeing any point to it.  I regained my Faith a year and a half ago, went back to the NO, but very shortly switched to the SSPX.  I was listening to a lot of Malachi Martin at the time.  Both priests that we've had during that time, Father Robinson and Father Doran, have been around for a while, so I assume they were trained by Bishop Williamson.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 10:43:26 AM »
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  • I disagree with the OP about men and Mass.

    I do not see it at my daily masses at the Cathedral nor at my TLM parish. I would say that more than half the attendees at daily mass across the board the past ten years have been men.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 21, 2014, 05:43:51 AM »
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  • Folks don't confuse the dirty humanism you see pushed in the NO with what is feminine.

    Secondly we need empathetic men & women who are fatherly & motherly and can give wise counsel and comfort to those around them.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 21, 2014, 06:17:53 AM »
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  • I think men tend to be prouder than women and that is the impediment to their religiosity. The gender spread at the foot of the cross is indicative. I am sure in salvation history, wives have made a larger contribution to the salvation of their husbands than the reverse.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 21, 2014, 11:11:43 AM »
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    Folks don't confuse the dirty humanism you see pushed in the NO with what is feminine.

    Secondly we need empathetic men & women who are fatherly & motherly and can give wise counsel and comfort to those around them.


    I agree with you here, the NO Mass is seen as feminist if not outright gay.

    There is little incentive for boys and men to feel masculine about NO mass anymore, so the attitude becomes "Why bother ?"

    This in addition to the fag enabling priests making it man centered and not God centered.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 21, 2014, 01:01:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
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    The kinds of priests who talk only about feelings are not real men, IMO.  And I'm a woman!  If I want to hear a man speaking to my feeeeelings, I'll watch reruns of Dr. Phil!  The present priest at my sspx chapel trained under Bp. Williamson.  He gives excellent sermons.  The tone in novus ordo and Protestant churches is set by women, but Christ the King is a man!  Our Lady is Queen.  Feminine priests are a huge turn-off.


    I agree with you, Frances. I personally can't stand the feminized version of Jesus.

    I am a woman and I want to follow real men. I am sick of clergy and modern men becoming so weak, soft feeling - oriented, and right out feminine, and thereby uninspiring to women and also men! It saddens me to see everywhere what has become of men thanks to the evil of feminism. The classic "pajama boy" that feminists have brought up must be erased and real men restored to their proper places. Seeing this kind of diabolical feminine tendency and behavior even in Catholic clergy is beyond shameful and disheartening.

    Everyone prefers to seek guidance from a masculine figure, traditionally in the person of a father, husband, or priest. I wish we return to the proper order of things, established for all of us by Christ King.
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