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Fr Pfeiffer - Do not attend SSPX any longer
« Reply #120 on: July 28, 2013, 05:52:23 AM »
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    Slow, Subtle Poison coming from the SSPX
    Slow, Subtle Poison coming from the SSPX

    In this article we would like to focus on just one of the major symptoms of the internal rot in the SSPX: namely, that both the SSPX leadership and communication channels have been busy for some time mixing poison with truth on an almost daily basis.   Yes, there is a steady string of dangerous, misleading commissions and omissions regularily coming from SSPX hierarchy.  These range from clearly-erroneous opinions, down to those that are (merely) misleading (but still technically true).
    What is this poison TrueTrad keeps talking about, anyway?

    When we refer to the SSPX leadership’s “poison”, we are including anything that will harm the faith of the priests and the laity, even if it is “only” an opinion.  For example, two of the many poisonous opinions in the top SSPX hiearchy are these:  

            "There is much to praise in Benedict XVI [when he reigned, they did this regularly]; we are more or less on the same side with him."  (This is just how the nine dead compromise “societies” talk!)
            "The Conciliar Church is in general getting better and better; the conciliar hierarchy is basically good, and many of the bishops in fact are almost traditional."

    This is why we think these (and many other new-SSPX) ideas are poison: The laity and most of the SSPX priests accept without reflection, the statements of the SSPX leadership.  When the laity and priests hear over and over from “trustworthy” SSPX sources (like Bishop Fellay) that everything is getting better, they gradually change their framework / viewpoint.  These new (false) SSPX opinions then become principles which become fixed in the laity and priests.  The same thing happens regarding the rest of the SSPX leadership’s liberalism, e.g., minimizing the errors of Vatican II.

    Even if (hypothetically) there would never be a deal with Rome, the new (false) SSPX optimism destroys the defenses of the priests and the faithful.  When they begin to believe (as they are believing, more and more) that "the conciliar errors are not as bad as the SSPX used to say they were" and that "the conciliar hierarchy is fairly close to Tradition and is open to it”, the priests and faithful predictably lower their guard and are more open to the influence and errors of the conciliar hierarchy (as well as more open to the SSPX making a deal with Rome).
    Please note:

        We have only recently begun compiling this list of poison.  (We started in December, 2012.)   Much more is yet to come, as we docuмent both the continuing stream of poison every week, as well as older statements.

        We are not claiming every priest in the SSPX is infected by the poison we docuмent below.  Thank God, most rank-and-file priests seem okay (with some exceptions); it is the top leadership that is most infected!
        So far, we have docuмented 77 instances of poison.  However, many of these doses of poison touch on more than one topic.  For instance, a certain quote from Bishop Fellay might regard Pope Benedict, AND the crisis in the Church, etc.   Therefore that quote would fall under different topics below.
        A person might argue that some of the examples we give below are "overly critical".  Even if that were true, the large list as a whole is not dismissable by any careful soul.

    Okay, Show me the Poison!
    Note: If you have family/friends who are skeptical that there really are problems in the SSPX now that "a deal is [supposedly] dead", please consider emailing some of these poisonous statements to them.
    1.  Please show me a sample of just a few.

     

    2.  Show me all the Poison TrueTrad has compiled so far (Note: Our list of 77 articles is incomplete, but ever-expanding; the list we present to you will be sorted by date, newest articles first.)

     

    3.  Show me the Poison by Topic:

        Poison regarding the modernist popes (especially, but not limited to, Benedict XVI)
     
        Poison regarding modernist cardinals, bishops, and priests

        Poison regarding Vatican II itself, its dangerous docuмents, or the new mass

        Poison regarding the Crisis in the Church

        Poison regarding doctrine, or the Catholic Faith itself

        Poison regarding Bishop Fellay himself, his attempt to justify himself, etc.

        Poison regarding those who are Resisting* the destruction of the SSPX
     
        Poison regarding the Jєωs


    *Answers Fr. Themann's question:  RESISTANCE TO WHAT?  ---and, the
    answer is:  Resistance to the destruction of the SSPX, currently afoot!

    [I'm not going to copy all the links, but there are two of them, above, for
    you - on my favorite topics: HEBF, and the Resistance] ----------   :smile:


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    <p style="margin-left: 30px;"><a href="/index.php/the-truth/problems-with-bp-fellay/bishop-fellay/bishop-fellay-s-dici-interview">DICI interview with TrueTrad comments[/url], 6-8-12</p>
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    <p style="margin-left: 30px;"><a href="/index.php/the-truth/problems-in-the-sspx/slow-subtle-poison-from-the-sspx/all-poison-newest-first/233-bishop-fellay-s-scandalous-comment-in-favor-of-the-new-mass">Soft on the New Mass, 1-21-2013[/url]</p>
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    <p style="margin-left: 30px;">His very revealing (and formerly secret)<a href="/index.php/the-truth/problems-in-the-sspx/slow-subtle-poison-from-the-sspx/all-poison-newest-first/233-bishop-fellay-s-scandalous-comment-in-favor-of-the-new-mass"> Doctrinal Preamble response to Rome (with TrueTrad commentary)[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-truth/the-debate">&nbsp;[/url]</p>
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    <p><code><a href="/index.php/the-truth/miscellaneous/the-false-miracle-of-the-rosary-crusade"><img alt="coming" src="/images/coming.gif" height="16" width="40" />[/url]</code></p>
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    <p>His competely unconvincing attempts to justify / defend himself</p>
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    <p><code><code><img alt="critical-article" src="/images/critical-article.gif" height="16" width="40" /></code></code></p>
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    <p><strong><a href="/index.php/the-truth/problems-in-the-sspx/slow-subtle-poison-from-the-sspx">Continuing subtle poison for us Faithful[/url]</strong></p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-truth/problems-in-the-sspx/a-deal-is-still-being-planned">Evidence that a deal with Rome is&nbsp;still being planned[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-truth/problems-in-the-sspx/overview-of-the-problematic-changes">Overview of the problems in the SSPX[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/critical-articles/are-the-issues-with-the-new-sspx-doctrinal-or-merely-prudential-do-catholics-have-a-right-and-a-duty-to-speak-out-and-even-resist">The problems in the SSPX: &nbsp;Are they doctrinal, or merely prudential? &nbsp;How should we react?[/url]</p>
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    <p>Printable flyer: <a href="/pdf/SituationInTheSSPXFlyer.pdf">The "Big Picture in the SSPX"[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-dead/78-all/73-the-consequences-of-an-agreement">The consequences for the SSPX if an agreement were made[/url]</p>
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    <p>The SSPX now feels very much like the&nbsp;<a href="/index.php/the-dead/the-whole-picture">9 fallen compromise organizations.[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/component/content/article/81-the-truth/242-okay-so-what-does-truetrad-recommend-we-do-in-this-sspx-crisis">What should we do during this SSPX crisis?[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/component/content/article/81-the-truth/243-menzingen-s-revealing-10-31-2012-internal-letter">The revealing SSPX 10-31-2012 internal letter,and our commentary. [/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-truth/miscellaneous/the-false-miracle-of-the-rosary-crusade" style="text-decoration: underline;">The bogus Rosary Crusades[/url]<a href="/index.php/component/content/article/81-the-truth/243-menzingen-s-revealing-10-31-2012-internal-letter">[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-truth-1/3-23-2013-updated-pope-francis-i-is-no-conservative">Pope Francis I is no conservative!<br data-mce-bogus="1" />[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/pope-benedict-and-the-modernist-hierarchy">Pope Benedict is just as much a Modernist today as he was&nbsp;50 years ago at the Council.[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/pope-benedict-and-the-modernist-hierarchy">The other modernist hierarchy[/url]</p>
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    <p><code><a href="/index.php/the-truth/miscellaneous/the-false-miracle-of-the-rosary-crusade"><img alt="coming" src="/images/coming.gif" height="16" width="40" />[/url]</code></p>
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    <p>The Church is no better now than it was 20 years ago.</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/religious-communities-bened-domin">Traditional Dominican priests in France[/url]</p>
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    <p><a style="font-size: 11px;" href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/fr-jean-michel-faure-joins-the-resistance"><img src="/images/new.gif" alt="new" height="16" width="40" />[/url]<a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/3-3-2013-traditional-german-carmelite-nuns-speak-out-break-with-the-new-sspx"> Traditional Carmelite Nuns, Germany[/url]</p>
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    <div><strong>These have banded together as an alternative to the SSPX</strong></div>
    <div style="text-align: center;"><strong></strong>(see <a href="http://CathInfo.com" style="font-size: 11px;">their website[/url]):</div>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-joseph-pfeiffer">Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-joseph-pfeiffer">&nbsp;[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-david-hewko">Fr. David Hewko[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-david-hewko">&nbsp;[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-francis-chazal">Fr. Francis Chazal[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-ronald-j-ringrose">Fr. Ronald Ringrose[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-ronald-j-ringrose">&nbsp;[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-juan-ortiz">Fr. Juan Ortiz[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-juan-ortiz">&nbsp;[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-19/fr-richard-voigt">Fr. Richard Voigt[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/component/content/article/79-the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/249-fr-thomas-aquinas-osb">Fr. Thomas Aquinas[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/component/content/article/79-the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/249-fr-thomas-aquinas-osb">&nbsp;[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-rene-trincado-cvjetkovic">Fr Rene Cvjetkovic[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-rene-trincado-cvjetkovic">&nbsp;[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-michel-koller">Fr. Michel Koller[/url]</p>
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    <p><strong>These remain in the SSPX, have left it, or have been independent of it:</strong></p>
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    <div><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-matthew-clifton" style="text-align: center;">Fr. Matthew Clifton, SSPX[/url]</div>
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    <div><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-eric-julien-lawrence-jacqmin">Fr. Eric Jacqmin, SSPX[/url]&nbsp;</div>
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    <div><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-damien-fox">Fr. Damien Fox, SSPX[/url]&nbsp;</div>
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    <div><a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/fr-jean-michel-faure-joins-the-resistance" style="font-size: 11px; text-align: center;"><img src="/images/new.gif" alt="new" height="16" width="40" />[/url]<a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/priests/fr-hugo-ruiz-vallejo-speaks-out">Fr Ruiz Vallejo, SSPX[/url]</div>
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    <div><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-patrick-girouard" style="text-align: center;">Fr. Patrick Girouard[/url]</div>
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    <td style="text-align: center;">
    <div><a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/fr-jean-michel-faure-joins-the-resistance" style="text-decoration: underline; font-size: 11px; text-align: center;"><img src="/images/new.gif" alt="new" height="16" width="40" />[/url]<a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/3-7-2013-fr-olivier-rioult-sspx-openly-speaks-out-against-new-sspx" style="text-align: center;">Fr Olivier Rioult, SSPX[/url]</div>
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    <div><a style="font-size: 11px; text-align: center;" href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/fr-jean-michel-faure-joins-the-resistance"><img src="/images/new.gif" alt="new" height="16" width="40" />[/url]<a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/fr-jean-michel-faure-joins-the-resistance">Fr. Jean Michel Faure, SSPX[/url]</div>
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    <div>&nbsp;<a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/fr-jean-michel-faure-joins-the-resistance" style="text-decoration: underline; font-size: 11px;"><img src="/images/new.gif" alt="new" height="16" width="40" />[/url]<a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/3-9-2013-fr-zaby-sspx-openly-speaks-out-against-new-sspx">Fr. Zaby, SSPX[/url]</div>
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    <td style="text-align: center;"><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-e-j-j-cardozo" style="text-align: center;">Fr. E.J.J. Cardozo[/url]</td>
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    <div><a style="font-size: 11px;" href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/fr-jean-michel-faure-joins-the-resistance"><img src="/images/new.gif" alt="new" height="16" width="40" />[/url]<a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/priests/fr-raphael-arizaga-osb-speaks-out-openly">Fr. Raphael Arizaga, OSB[/url]</div>
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    <td style="text-align: left;"><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-juan-carlos-ceriani">Fr. Juan Carlos Ceriani[/url]
    <a href="/index.php/the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/3-9-2013-fr-zaby-sspx-openly-speaks-out-against-new-sspx">[/url]</td>
    <td style="text-align: center;"><a href="/index.php/the-heroes/2012-12-30-03-32-36/2012-09-28-23-31-45/fr-basilio-meramo" style="text-align: center;">Fr. Basilio Meramo[/url]</td>
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    <p><strong><span style="color: #ffffff;" data-mce-mark="1">Laymen</span></strong></p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/component/content/article/82-the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/laymen/228-dr-david-allen-white">Dr. David White[/url]</p>
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    <p>Mr. Stephen Fox ("Is This Operation ѕυιcιdє?)</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/component/content/article/79-the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/92-open-letter-from-british-faithful-to-bp-fellay">Open Letter from the British Faithful to Bp. Fellay[/url]</p>
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    <p><a href="/index.php/component/content/82-the-heroes-who-have-spoken-out-against-the-sspx-changes/laymen/230-open-letter-from-the-mexican-faithful-in-2009?Itemid=1376">Open Letter from t
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    « Reply #121 on: July 28, 2013, 07:05:43 AM »
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  •  :smash-pc:Yipes!  Neil-  Is this Sunday morning penance?  Your post, bottom 7/8, brings back memories of college in the early 1970s-walking around campus with shoeboxes filled with batchcards, ready, hopefully, to feed into the card reader and get your printout.  Did you study Fortran?  Algol?  Remember what happened if you made one tiny mistake?   :laugh2:
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #122 on: July 28, 2013, 08:58:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    :smash-pc:Yipes!  Neil-  Is this Sunday morning penance?  Your post, bottom 7/8, brings back memories of college in the early 1970s-walking around campus with shoeboxes filled with batchcards, ready, hopefully, to feed into the card reader and get your printout.  Did you study Fortran?  Algol?  Remember what happened if you made one tiny mistake?   :laugh2:



    Remember what happened if you typed    1H1   on a punchcard?  

    (Fortran = one-holorith-one)     :dancing:



    BTW:  

    You're welcome to ignore everything after this if you want to:  


    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just for the record, if this is any help to techies, here is the page
    source info presently posted for TrueTrad.com for the current HOME page :

    [As I understand it, a post such as this does not constitute much of a load
    for the server, since it is just a lot of text in one place, and the system can
    cope with a huge amount of text much easier than it can, let's say, several
    pictures downloaded, since each picture contains, or is defined and
    is represented by, data a lot more voluminous than what you see below.]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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    « Reply #123 on: July 28, 2013, 11:26:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    :smash-pc:Yipes!  Neil-  Is this Sunday morning penance?  Your post, bottom 7/8, brings back memories of college in the early 1970s-walking around campus with shoeboxes filled with batchcards, ready, hopefully, to feed into the card reader and get your printout.  Did you study Fortran?  Algol?  Remember what happened if you made one tiny mistake?   :laugh2:



    Remember what happened if you typed    1H1   on a punchcard?  

    (Fortran = one-holorith-one)     :dancing:



    BTW:  

    You're welcome to ignore everything after this if you want to:  


    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just for the record, if this is any help to techies, here is the page
    source info presently posted for TrueTrad.com for the current HOME page :

    [As I understand it, a post such as this does not constitute much of a load
    for the server, since it is just a lot of text in one place, and the system can
    cope with a huge amount of text much easier than it can, let's say, several
    pictures downloaded, since each picture contains, or is defined and
    is represented by, data a lot more voluminous than what you see below.]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



    BTW, Neil, did you notice that TrueTrad last update was 3-13-2013? 4 months of stand-still? :cheers:

    Noel Christie Danker
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
    Fr. Michael Muller, The Church and Her Enemies

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    « Reply #124 on: July 29, 2013, 04:15:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: chrstnoel1
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    :smash-pc:Yipes!  Neil-  Is this Sunday morning penance?  Your post, bottom 7/8, brings back memories of college in the early 1970s-walking around campus with shoeboxes filled with batchcards, ready, hopefully, to feed into the card reader and get your printout.  Did you study Fortran?  Algol?  Remember what happened if you made one tiny mistake?   :laugh2:



    Remember what happened if you typed    1H1   on a punchcard?  

    (Fortran = one-holorith-one)     :dancing:



    BTW:  

    You're welcome to ignore everything after this if you want to:  


    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just for the record, if this is any help to techies, here is the page
    source info presently posted for TrueTrad.com for the current HOME page :

    [As I understand it, a post such as this does not constitute much of a load
    for the server, since it is just a lot of text in one place, and the system can
    cope with a huge amount of text much easier than it can, let's say, several
    pictures downloaded, since each picture contains, or is defined and
    is represented by, data a lot more voluminous than what you see below.]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




    BTW, Neil, did you notice that TrueTrad's last update was 3-13-2013?
    4 months of stand-still? :cheers:

    Noel Christie Danker




    3-13-2013 --------- Our Lady of Fatima's day......... :scratchchin:




    No, I didn't notice, Noel CD.  I get lost on TrueTrad a lot, so I can't see where
    to find the latest updates.  Can you explain it?  And is there any way you can
    find out who it is that runs the site, I mean, you're in the Philippines, too,
    aren't you?  There's only what, 10,000 islands there?    HAHAHAHAHAHA  

    BTW I have a Noel CD in my CD collection.   :cool:



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    « Reply #125 on: July 29, 2013, 04:36:43 AM »
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  • I read Fr. Laisney's total misrepresentation of Bp Williamson's position ( which is identical to that of ABL and all SSPX leaders up until a couple of yrs ago..)...he's pretty shameless and uncharitable..

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    « Reply #126 on: July 29, 2013, 08:56:59 AM »
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  • 3-13-2013 --------- Our Lady of Fatima's day......... :scratchchin:




     No, I didn't notice, Noel CD.  I get lost on TrueTrad a lot, so I can't see where
     to find the latest updates.  Can you explain it?  And is there any way you can
     find out who it is that runs the site, I mean, you're in the Philippines, too,
     aren't you?  There's only what, 10,000 islands there?    HAHAHAHAHAHA  

     BTW I have a Noel CD in my CD collection.  :cool:


    Hello Neil,

    I am glad you have a Noel CD in your CD collection. I had one too but somebody borrowed and that was the last I saw it. :cussing:

    I wrote to my contact in the Philippines about TrueTrad and it's owner but have yet to get a reply. Will fill you in when I get it.

    And yes, 10,000 islands? and yet Singapore is not one of it.

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    It is just one tiny dot at the tip of the Malayan Peninsula.

     :cheers:my friend

    Noel Christie Danker
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
    Fr. Michael Muller, The Church and Her Enemies

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    « Reply #127 on: August 06, 2013, 08:04:12 PM »
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  • Does anyone have any further information on Fr Demaris (see the letter posted on page 15 by DonKath). We would like to find out more about this priest and other writings if possible.

    This particular letter was quoted in part by Solange Hertz in her book The Sixth Trumpet on pages 196-198.

    Perhaps someone who frequents the French websites could raise the question there?

    Thank you.


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    « Reply #128 on: August 07, 2013, 03:45:12 PM »
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    Does anyone have any further information on Fr Demaris (see the letter posted on page 15 by DonKath).


    Link to the actual post, FWIW.


    Quote
    We would like to find out more about this priest and other writings if possible.

    This particular letter was quoted in part by Solange Hertz in her book The Sixth Trumpet on pages 196-198.

    Perhaps someone who frequents the French websites could raise the question there?

    Thank you.
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