Author Topic: Masons welcome Pope Francis (Read 5262 times)

padrepio · « **on:** March 19, 2013, 07:20:04 PM »

The Grand Orient of Italy DEMOCRATIC AND FRANCISCO. -

link from:

http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2012/10/maximiliano-krah-y-la-fundacion-jaidhof.html

Donachie · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2013, 07:37:31 PM »

Quid est hoc?

I did not know about Krasny-Bor before.

How does this fellow Krah support "Israel" and claim to be a traditionalist Catholic? It doesn't make sense.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2013, 08:30:17 PM »

Quote from: Donachie

How does this fellow Krah support "Israel" and claim to be a traditionalist Catholic? It doesn't make sense.

There are an unfortunately large number of people out there who are soft on the Jєωs.

I got into a debate with one Traditionalist who was implying that it's ok for Christians to go into ѕуηαgσgυєs. When I quoted St. John Chrysostom to show him he was wrong, he accused me of "misinterpreting" what the Saint meant.

If everyone realized how dangerous the ѕуηαgσgυє of satan is, the world would be much better.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2013, 08:39:34 PM »

Quote from: Donachie

Quid est hoc?

I did not know about Krasny-Bor before.

How does this fellow Krah support "Israel" and claim to be a traditionalist Catholic? It doesn't make sense.

He doesn't claim to be traditional.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2013, 09:40:46 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Quote from: Donachie
Quid est hoc?

I did not know about Krasny-Bor before.

How does this fellow Krah support "Israel" and claim to be a traditionalist Catholic? It doesn't make sense.

He doesn't claim to be traditional.

He doesn't? What is this, then, from the OP linked blog? :

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Krah: Yes, this foundation is associated with the Society of St. Pius X, and it is absolutely no secret. There is a family in Austria, I wanted to donate to the Society of St. Pius X, but would not do so directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX. And each foundation trustees are needed. It is a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees. I was elected by the family that established the foundation in the first place because I am a traditional Catholic lawyer with links to the SSPX, and secondly because of my professional background. This foundation supports SSPX using the money that was donated by the family. As an example, it is supporting the proposed new seminary in Virginia. It has nothing to do with individual donations that people give to the SSPX. Everything we do is completely transparent. We monitored both by the General House of the Society of St. Pius X, and by the Austrian tax authority, because we are philanthropic, and that means we are duty free. We always open our books to the public authorities. So we have two supervisors, so to speak, and everything we do is completely transparent and clean.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2013, 09:53:09 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: Donachie
Quid est hoc?

I did not know about Krasny-Bor before.

How does this fellow Krah support "Israel" and claim to be a traditionalist Catholic? It doesn't make sense.

He doesn't claim to be traditional.

He doesn't? What is this, then, from the OP linked blog? :

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Krah: Yes, this foundation is associated with the Society of St. Pius X, and it is absolutely no secret. There is a family in Austria, I wanted to donate to the Society of St. Pius X, but would not do so directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX. And each foundation trustees are needed. It is a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees. I was elected by the family that established the foundation in the first place because I am a traditional Catholic lawyer with links to the SSPX, and secondly because of my professional background. This foundation supports SSPX using the money that was donated by the family. As an example, it is supporting the proposed new seminary in Virginia. It has nothing to do with individual donations that people give to the SSPX. Everything we do is completely transparent. We monitored both by the General House of the Society of St. Pius X, and by the Austrian tax authority, because we are philanthropic, and that means we are duty free. We always open our books to the public authorities. So we have two supervisors, so to speak, and everything we do is completely transparent and clean.

It is what it is, but in the Rmnant interview, he as much as admitted he was not a traditional Catholic, and clearly he is not.

That interview was more honest than this one.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2013, 10:04:51 PM »

Here is Krah later in the Remnant interview you quoted above:

Siscoe: It is said that you are ‘a prominent political activist and officer in Dresden, Germany, and member of the ‘liberal, pro-abortion, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, Christian Democratic Union, led by Angela Merkel’. How would you respond to this accusation?
Krah: [chuckle] Yes, of course. I even ran for office this past summer. I ran in the primary for the national parliament. And I was quite successful too, although I lost at the end, 45 to 55 [chuckle], but this was quite okay for a newcomer challenging an incuмbent. But I disagree with the characterization. Like in every country, in Germany you have two big parties. In the US, you have the Democrats and the Republicans. In Germany, you have the Social Democrats and the Christian Democrats. The CDU [Christian Democrats], you could say is the party of the Republicans, which is center right.

Siscoe: So, the party you ran under, they would be considered the right in Germany?
Krah: Yes, they would be considered the right. And indeed, during my law studies I was employed by the then-member of parliament, Christa Reichard, who, for instance, is very strongly pro-life. And she would be very angry if she heard a rumor that she is a member of a leftist party. To make it understandable, when the unification came, the Catholics, and even the conservative Protestants, and anti-communists, joined the Christian Democrats. And even now, all positions in the State of Saxony and in the City are held by Christian Democrats, so that the mayor of the city, and the governor and all local congressman on the State and national level, are from the Christian Democrats. It is just the ruling party, and it is the party of the center right people. And as a citizen of my city, since I am not a left-winger and have never been, it is clear that the Christian Democrat is my political home.

Siscoe: So, the Christian Democrats would be comparable to the Republicans in America?
Krah: Yes generally, but in Europe the political scene is a little more left wing than in America. The left-wing Democrats in America are comparable to the Social Democrats in Germany, while the right wing Democrats and the moderate Republicans in America are comparable to the Christian Democrats in Germany.

Siscoe: So everything is a little farther to the left. The left is farther to the left, and the right is closer to the center?
Krah: Yes, exactly. And it is especially where I live and in my group, in my suburb. It is comparable to, I would say, East Coast Republicans.

padrepio · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2013, 09:48:48 AM »

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The Big East Italian Democratic Francisco and greeted his article we found interesting the following statements of the Masons:

In the vicinity of Grand Orient Democratic summarily can say that there are at present three positions on the new Bishop of Rome and Pope Francisco.

The first position is one of those who believe it will be an innovative and progressive pope.

Proponents of this thesis are some Brothers near GOD who claim to have contributed in some way, indirectly, even inside the conclave, through fraternal friends , do choose a man who will be able to regenerate the Catholic Church and benefit the global human society as a whole.

They emphasize that Cardinal Bergoglio was sponsored in the conclave of 2005, no less than by Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini.

And give us a link to the article on Carlo Maria Martini, in which we say:

Martini perceived differently by Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI on issues such as the ordination of women, hetero and homo sɛҳuąƖity, the right to scientific research and advanced medical applications, the civil rights of gαy couples, the secularity of public institutions, etc..
In all these matters, Carlo Maria Martini had a progressive vision measured in terms "profane", but in fact deeply rooted in an interpretation of Christianity as the religion of love, inclusion, tolerance, humility and non- arrogant interference in civil and secular, the critical question is also spiritual gentleness, faith that is tender and yearning deep knowledge of things first and the last, not arrogance dogmatic, fanatical and arrogant.
And like several other Jesuits who lived his youth and maturity in the Second World War, influenced by the great spiritual and moral figure (progressive) of Pedro Arrupe (1907-1991), Superior General of the Society of Jesus from 1965 to 1983) , Martini was curious about the Masonic wisdom.
Carlo Maria Martini Free Mason wanted to be initiated.

Also invite you to read the article SYLLABUS "Is Cardinal Bergoglio Mason? "

The above quote is a copy and paste from Non Possumus. Although Google translation is not the best, the gist of the article seems to point to the acceptance , support and infiltration of the Lodge in the Conclave and for this new Pope. From Non Possumus website's article on the homepage you can link to the Grand Orient's Webpage and read it directly.

Wessex · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2013, 07:07:15 AM »

This acceptance of and participation in the political realities of the day by so-called conservative Catholics is nothing new. My father was once invited to join the lodge because he was told it would advance his career. There is no doubt that Krah would like the SSPX which sponsors him to identify itself with his side of the two-party system that ensnares the western world and Menzingen is seeing some benefits in this, one of these being Roman approval. If it is intent on going this way, the reactionary politics of the old Society will have to go and it will have to be tolerant of those social policies that are part of Krah's world. In this he seems to be speaking for the new SSPX while his sponsors are taking a convenient back seat.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2013, 10:26:07 PM »

Well, it's no wonder Pope Francis was welcomed by Masons: he's an honorary member of the Rotary Club!

Link: http://www.rotaryfirst100.org/history/headings/leaders/vatican.htm#Francis

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In 1999 Pope Francis was elected as an honorary member of Rotary Club of Buenos Aires

From Fr. Cahill's book, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and The Anti Christian Movement:

The Rotary International organization may be given as another example of White Masonry.... Again, the Holy See in a decision issued February 4th, 1929, by the Sacred Congregation of the Consistory, has declared that it is undesirable (non expidere)[1] for Bishops or other ecclesiastical superiors to allow the priests subject to them to become members of Rotary or to take part in its meetings. The Osservatore Romano in an authorised article enumerates three main reasons for the decision of the Congregation, viz: the Masonic origin of Rotary, its proved hostility to the Church and its moral code, "which in almost every particular resembles that of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ".

[1] Cf. Acta Apostolicae Sedis, February 6th, 1929. Concerning the proper interpretation of the words 'non expidere'' cf., Acta Sanctae Sedis, vol. xix, p.94, for a reply of the Congregation of the Holy Office, that these words as used by the Sacred Poenitentiary in 1886, imply a prohibition (prohibitionem importat).

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2013, 10:32:56 PM »

Yes, we all know how those Masons know their own.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2013, 11:52:53 PM »

From the article quoted above: " As an example, it is supporting the proposed new seminary in Virginia. It has nothing to do with individual donations that people give to the SSPX."

So then why do I keep getting asked to donate for it at almost every Mass, keep getting mailers and ads asking for money for this huge seminary?

padrepio · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2013, 09:11:38 AM »

A better translation.(from Traditioninaction.org)

Italian Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ officially supports
Pope Bergoglio
The day after the election of Pope Francis I, the Grand Orient of Italy (GOI), which represents Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in that country, issued a formal communiqué praising him for the first egalitarian measures he took on the day of his election. The docuмent also made public the Freemasons' expectations that the new Pope shall lead the Church on the democratic path desired by Masonry.

This attitude was registered on the official GOI website. A photocopy of its webpage is found below, followed by a enlarged copy of the part referring to Francis I. The photos are preceded by our translation of the Italian, in blue.

Communiqué
Rome, March 14, 2013

Grand Master Raffi: "With Pope Francis, nothing will be more as it was before. It is a clear choice of fraternity for a Church of dialogue, which is not contaminated by the logic and temptations of temporal power"

"A man of the poor far away from the Curia. Fraternity and the desire to dialogue were his first concrete words. Perhaps nothing in the Church will be as it was before. Our hope is that the pontificate of Francis, the Pope who 'comes from the end of the world' can mark the return to the Church-Word instead of the Church-Institution, promoting an open dialogue with the contemporary world, with believers and non-believers, following the springtime of Vatican II." These were the comments of Gustavo Raffi, Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy, at the beginning of the pontificate of Francis, in the world Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

"The Jesuit who is close to the least ones of history," Raffi continues, "has the great opportunity to show the world the face of a Church that must recover the announcement of a new humanity, not the weight of an institution that closes itself off in defense of its own privileges. Bergoglio knows real life and will remember the lesson of one of his favorite theologians, Romano Guardini, for whom the truth of love cannot be stopped.

"The simple cross he wore on his white cassock," concludes the Grand Master of Palazzo Giustiniani, "lets us hope that a Church of the people will re-discover its capacity to dialogue with all men of good will and with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, which, as the experience of Latin America teaches us, works for the good and progress of humanity, as shown by Bolivar, Allende and José Martí, to name only a few. This is the 'white smoke' that we expect from the Church of our times."

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2013, 01:18:32 PM »

Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre

Well, it's no wonder Pope Francis was welcomed by Masons: he's an honorary member of the Rotary Club!

Link: http://www.rotaryfirst100.org/history/headings/leaders/vatican.htm#Francis

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In 1999 Pope Francis was elected as an honorary member of Rotary Club of Buenos Aires

From Fr. Cahill's book, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and The Anti Christian Movement:

The Rotary International organization may be given as another example of White Masonry.... Again, the Holy See in a decision issued February 4th, 1929, by the Sacred Congregation of the Consistory, has declared that it is undesirable (non expidere)[1] for Bishops or other ecclesiastical superiors to allow the priests subject to them to become members of Rotary or to take part in its meetings. The Osservatore Romano in an authorised article enumerates three main reasons for the decision of the Congregation, viz: the Masonic origin of Rotary, its proved hostility to the Church and its moral code, "which in almost every particular resembles that of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ".

[1] Cf. Acta Apostolicae Sedis, February 6th, 1929. Concerning the proper interpretation of the words 'non expidere'' cf., Acta Sanctae Sedis, vol. xix, p.94, for a reply of the Congregation of the Holy Office, that these words as used by the Sacred Poenitentiary in 1886, imply a prohibition (prohibitionem importat).

Uh-oh.

It will be important to discern:

1) Has he ever accepted this honor?

2) Is he aware Rotary made him an honorary member?

3) Does Rotary fall under the Masonry excommunication censor?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2013, 01:52:04 PM »

I came across a reported interview with Msgr. Borgoglio prior to his election as pope. It's included in Damien Thompson's column in the Telegraph, and is rather lengthy. It may be a frabrication, as Thompson is almost persuaded. If it's not, then I think we need to sit back and let Pope Francis' papapcy begin to flower before passing absolute judgment upon him. This interview could have been placed under a new topic, but I doubt that many forum members will take much interest in it, so I just include it here for a bit of added color and detail.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100208720/did-pope-francis-really-say-that-socialism-causes-misery-and-that-america-is-heading-towards-a-form-of-communism/