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Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Man arrested for email
« Reply #180 on: Yesterday at 01:57:34 PM »
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  • Reply to Matthew --
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    who ignored the evidence and refused to even consider my appeal even though it was clear that I wasn’t in the hemisphere at the time.
    sounds like someone has their wires crossed

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #181 on: Yesterday at 02:15:43 PM »
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  • Matthew,

    No. I do not have access to Fr. Moran’s emails but he has read to me parts of the email he sent you. As for the photograph, I think this is what you are referring to:

    https://www.facebook.com/share/1NNs9kf45F/?mibextid=wwXIfr

    It can be found on the Facebook account of the official diocesan photographer, seemingly.

    MaterDominici,

    As I told you. I posted some of what Fr. Moran had sent to me.

    It does seem that you are all absolutely determined that Fr. Moran is guilty of something and refuse any and all explanation presented to you. Ladislaus is quick to not accuse Brendan Kavanagh of being a liar, yet is very happy to accuse “this Moran character” of being a predator, a potential paedophile and whatever else.


    Clearly you have no interest in learning the truth in this matter, so I will not be posting again. 


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #182 on: Yesterday at 02:18:01 PM »
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  • Let’s get back to the topic at hand.  Assuming Fr Moran is innocent of all charges,
    a). Why was there an incident at Piano Man’s chapel?
    b).  What was the incident?  Fr Moran was on the property then left.  The Piano Man was perturbed enough to investigate.  
    c). Who called the police on Piano Man, after he started his investigation?

    This incident is the crux of the matter.  

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #183 on: Yesterday at 02:47:43 PM »
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  • Clearly you have no interest in learning the truth in this matter, so I will not be posting again.
    You haven't given us anything but your side of the story. The closest thing to evidence you've provided is dates showing that Kavanagh delayed his investigation of Fr. Moran for unknown reasons.

    You say your friend is a canon lawyer, so surely he's smart enough to understand the difference between telling a story and actually providing evidence to support the claims.

    Why not start with something easy? Who ordained Fr. Moran on what date and please include a photo.

    Offline BaldwinIV

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #184 on: Yesterday at 03:15:32 PM »
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  • Bishops Williamson, Ballini and Morgan have all seen this evidence and are obviously satisfied with it.
    The problem of this thread was never whether Fr. Moran is innocent or not. The problem is the silence of Bp. Morgan and, to a lesser extent, Bp. Ballini and their absolutely garbage management of the situation.

    If Fr. Moran truly was innocent, a simple explanation from Bp. Morgan to Kavanaugh "Yeah we know about these reports but these charges are bogus, the Vatican didn't even specify what he was accused of and we have bank statements here here and here proving that he was not in the area where the charges are supposed to have happened". Boom, done, crisis avoided in five minutes in a simple e-mail. But that's not what happened.

    Instead:

    - Kavanaugh asks Bp. Morgan what's going on
    - Bp. Morgan hangs up on Kavanaugh, blocks him (???????)
    - Kavanaugh gets angry and wants answers
    - Bp. Morgan (or someone else?) then calls the police for "harassment" (Morgan knew Kavanaugh for 10+ years)
    - Kavanaugh gets arrested by 3 police cars
    - Then Kavanaughs barn gets falsely reported as a cafe (by whom?)

    Add to that Viganós warning that Fr. Moran is extremely deceptive (which has a lot more weight than whatever the Vatican is saying) and the reality is that, unless we have some public statement from Bishop Morgan about his weird behaviour and why the arrest warrant was filed (against an old friend of the Resistance), we still have an unsolved case. Whether the explanation given by @Truthy about the innocence of Fr. Moran can be trusted is another question. We first need to figure out why Bp. Morgan is behaving so erratic.

    The SSPX Resistance now does have a black eye because of the bishops inaction. Not only did 400.000+ people watch Kavanaughs video of his arrest - giving any non-diocesan priest a "cult" affiliation - the German Wikipedia page now also lists it as a scandal. Not because of Fr. Moran, guilty or not. But because of Bp. Morgan going "missing in action" for 2 months, blocking people, filing police reports and refusing to say absolutely anything about the situation. What good is a "bishop" if he deserts the field when you need him? What on earth is going on inside of Bp. Morgans head?

    Even if Fr. Moran turns out to be innocent after all, the problem is more the strange secrecy by Bp. Morgan.


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #185 on: Yesterday at 03:21:56 PM »
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  • Part of Brendan’s musical education was under the direction of a h0Ɩ0h0αx survivor.  (Look it up).



    But his piano schtick with the sunglasses and provocative antics represent Brit entertainment obviously inspired by… the “Queen” of England herself:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #186 on: Yesterday at 03:33:54 PM »
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  • Something is unjust here...Matthew is required to keep those emails from KMoran CONFIDENTIAL, but then KMoran divulges some emails to Truthy. Hmmm.?

    Double standard here.  Red flag I~
       The Trad world is STILL wading in confusion.. doldrum. + M, anything to add... please?
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #187 on: Yesterday at 03:59:08 PM »
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  • It does seem that you are all absolutely determined that Fr. Moran is guilty of something and refuse any and all explanation presented to you. Ladislaus is quick to not accuse Brendan Kavanagh of being a liar, yet is very happy to accuse “this Moran character” of being a predator, a potential paedophile and whatever else.

    Did you read what I even wrote?  I said that given that there were formal proceedings that appeared to be serious and take some time, we must conclude that Father Moran was credibly accused, not certainly guilty, not even guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ... but that there's a different standard for removing someone from ministry, i.e. just because he MIGHT reasonably be a predator, since no one has a right to public ministry, and in particular if +Morgan and/or +Ballini are working with him, there's no requirement for them to continue working with him.  They could stop working with him because they don't like the smell of his aftershave.  Reasonable positive doubt suffices to require that we take reasonable precautious against exposing potential victims to him.  I used the example of smoke and fire.  If I'm sitting in a school building and I see smoke coming out of a classroom, I pull the fire alarm to evacuate the school.  Sure, I have no proof that there's any danger.  Smoke could be a burrito that someone put in the microwave too long ... and never posed a threat.  But one cannot demand proof of fire before evacuating the students, since if you're wrong, the consequences are just too high, yet the cost of the inconveniece of having to evacuate (even if needlessliy) rather low.

    So what you're claiming here is that if we don't accept YOUR version of the story and your characterization that these charges were trumped up in some persecution against Fr. Moran, that there's nothing to them ... and based on the word of some anonymous poster who clearly has an agenda, do not give access to Moran, that we're committing some grave injustice to Moran.  Since you refuse to identify yourself, for all we know you're an accomplice in some operation to vicitimize children.  But, yeah, OK, since anonymous poster guy here says so, I'm going to send my child into a room with Moran for some "spiritual direction" unsupervised, right?  I'll be right over to send my young daughter to a Summer youth camp directed by Father Moran ... just because that Truthy guy who showed up out of nowhere on CathInfo and who admits to be fairly close with Fr. Moran said so right there on CathInfo.  If he's innocent, he can retire from public ministry at least for a time, and continue offering Mass, perhaps soliciting stipends for Masses ... while attempting to clear his name by some definitive evidence.  Similarly, we evacuate the students due to the smoke, and then can have a competent fire marshall go in to ascertain the truth of the matter.  But you don't leave them in there due to lack of definitive proof that there's a threat.

    Unfortunately, many innocents have been victimized after some predator's claims of persecution were accepted at face value.  Bishop Williamson would know that now, since he dismissed the credible accusations against Urrutigoity due to his claims of being persecuted and slandered simply becaue he was "against sedevacantism" -- and the consequences were tragic, resulting in other victims.  That was a very grave misjudgment on his part (and I respect Bishop Williamson highly).  I would give the benefit of the doubt that a priest would not commit grave calumny (rising to the level of mortal sin) simply to smear someone just for being opposed to your position on the crisis.  I've had arguments with many Traditional Catholics, but I would never dream of just making up charges of grave unnatural vice against them even if I consider them to be in grave error, not for a second.  In fact, very few people would do that, much less a priest like Father Morello.

    See, here's the thing ... the priesthood is given not to Moran because he's a great guy and deserves to be a priest and is worthy of it, just so lay people can be forced to bow their heads in reverence and call him father, simply because Moran couldn't get promoted to shift manager at a fast food restaurant.  No, the priesthood is given only for the good of souls.  So the fact that Moran selfishly insists on imposing himself on others means that the motivations are not selfless as they should be for a priest.

    If I were a priest, even if I were to become the subject of allegations that I KNOW to be false, I would not resent people who suspected me ... since ... how would they even know for sure one way or the other?  Why would they expose their children to me?  I wouldn't take it the least bit personally.  And, if I suffered this trial, I would offer it up to God for my sins, as well as for the souls of even the accusers.  Not a few saintly priests were subjected to slander ... and were sanctified by their humble acceptance of the trial, and obeyed their bishop to withdraw from public ministry until their names were cleared.  If I did feel that I had to show up at some venue because the faithful there had no access to Sacraments, I would insist upon never being alone with anyone or create any situation that might make them uncomfortable.  I would even announce from the pulpit ... "I have been accused of [].  Before God, with Him as my witness, I can affirm that I am not guilty of these charges.  Nevertheless, since you have no reason to take my word for it, and I am here to serve you ... I will be sure to avoid any situations that might make anyone uncomfortable or that might lead to any suspicion ... until, God willing, my name has been cleared.  Until then, please keep your distance.  I will be hearing confessions over here where both I and the penitent are visible at all times, and then after Mass will immediately go directly to my vehicle and drive off without any further contact.  I'm sorry you have to go through this, but the important thing is not my personal reputation but that you should have access to the Sacraments.  Even if I were the most evil spawn of Satan on the earth, the Sacraments you receive are valid, and you receive graces from the ex opere operato and not because of me ... so that's the important thing now."

    Any priest who's credibly accused would withdraw voluntarily from public ministry and/or take obvious public precautions to prevent any discomfort or suspicions ... if it were needed for him to care for souls who had no other viable alternatives.


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #188 on: Yesterday at 04:06:14 PM »
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  • The problem of this thread was never whether Fr. Moran is innocent or not. The problem is the silence of Bp. Morgan and, to a lesser extent, Bp. Ballini and their absolutely garbage management of the situation.

    If Fr. Moran truly was innocent, a simple explanation from Bp. Morgan to Kavanaugh "Yeah we know about these reports but these charges are bogus, the Vatican didn't even specify what he was accused of and we have bank statements here here and here proving that he was not in the area where the charges are supposed to have happened". Boom, done, crisis avoided in five minutes in a simple e-mail. But that's not what happened.

    Instead:

    - Kavanaugh asks Bp. Morgan what's going on
    - Bp. Morgan hangs up on Kavanaugh, blocks him (???????)

    No one knows what Kavanagh actually said to the Bishop? Was he threatening?

    - Kavanaugh gets angry and wants answers.

    - Bp. Morgan (or someone else?) then calls the police for "harassment" (Morgan knew Kavanaugh for 10+ years)
    - Kavanaugh gets arrested by 3 police cars.

    - Then Kavanaughs barn gets falsely reported as a cafe (by whom?).

    Kavanagh is an aggressive, high profile media figure who has had other encounters with the cops. Check his Chinese tourist encounter in 2024.

    Add to that Viganós warning that Fr. Moran is extremely deceptive (which has a lot more weight than whatever the Vatican is saying)

    That’s a gas!

    The 8th highest ranked Conciliar prelate under the Francis regime, who knows all about Opus judei, inside newChurch, but can’t talk about it… says Fr. Moran is extremely deceptive
    :laugh1:

    and the reality is that, unless we have some public statement from Bishop Morgan about his weird behaviour and why the arrest warrant was filed (against an old friend of the Resistance), we still have an unsolved case. Whether the explanation given by @Truthy about the innocence of Fr. Moran can be trusted is another question. We first need to figure out why Bp. Morgan is behaving so erratic.

    The SSPX Resistance now does have a black eye because of the bishops inaction.

    Members of this forum repeatedly complained about the secret Consecrations of the +W era bishops and their transparency, but were only scoffed at. 

    Not only did 400.000+ people watch Kavanaughs video of his arrest -

    Duh…
    And Brendan’s $ocial media accounts are soaring.
    :laugh1:

    giving any non-diocesan priest a "cult" affiliation - the German Wikipedia page now also lists it as a scandal. Not because of Fr. Moran, guilty or not.

    And the likelihood that this was a stunt designed to discredit the Resistance is high.

    If Kavanagh was a Catholic gentleman with common sense and a little prudence, he never would have gone viral with this in his social media.


    But because of Bp. Morgan going "missing in action" for 2 months, blocking people, filing police reports and refusing to say absolutely anything about the situation. What good is a "bishop" if he deserts the field when you need him? What on earth is going on inside of Bp. Morgans head?

    Even if Fr. Moran turns out to be innocent after all, the problem is more the strange secrecy by Bp. Morgan.

    Which begs the question, how long will the SSPX Resistance Bishops wait after +W’s death to call an internal Congress? 

    They’re clearly disorganized.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #189 on: Yesterday at 04:13:58 PM »
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    If Kavanagh was a Catholic gentleman with common sense and a little prudence, he never would have gone viral with this in his social media.

    False.  If I found out that some priest had been credibly accused, wrote to (whom I considered to be) his superior, then got blocked by that man, who then gave me the silent treatment, I too would shout the new from the rooftops, lest I too in keeping silent become an enabler of crimes against children.

    Bishop Morgan appears to have had the opportunity to prevent this by responding as a Catholic bishop should.

    What options did Mr. Kavanaugh have ... if it's true that he was being stonewalled and given the silent treatment?

    I would also get the word out.

    Honestly, it's attitudes like yours that give legitimate fuel for the accusation that some Trads will circle the wagons around even creidbly-accused child predators and their accomplices rather than do the right thing, despite a hit to the reputation of various Trads.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #190 on: Yesterday at 04:17:17 PM »
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    No one knows what Kavanagh actually said to the Bishop? Was he threatening?

    +Morgan has had every opportunity to respond.  He could have come out immediately and stated:  "I blocked Mr. Kavanaugh because he was harassing me and making at-least-veiled threats.", and perhaps published some snippest of communication he received to back it up (at that point he'd have the right to publicly disclose contents of those e-mails).

    So, the longer +Morgan and +Ballini refuse to comment and continue to stonewall, the more guilty they look.  Shameful.


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #191 on: Yesterday at 04:21:19 PM »
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  • Can 'Truthy', or anyone else please confirm who ordained Fr/Mr Moran?  No one wants to accuse an innocent man but the lack of transparency is not helping.

    As I wrote in the thread above a simple statement clarifying the situation from Bp Morgan would resolve the matter. Why is Bp Morgan so reticent to resolve this issue?

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #192 on: Yesterday at 04:23:42 PM »
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    That’s a gas!

    The 8th highest ranked Conciliar prelate under the Francis regime, who knows all about Opus judei, inside newChurch, but can’t talk about it… says Fr. Moran is extremely deceptive
    :laugh1: title=laugh1

    Matthew, ban this piece of trash here for making all Traditional Catholics look bad.  This despicable piece of work now declares +Vigano to be a liar simply because of his past of having had a high rank in the Conciliar Church.  He's a complete scuмbag, both for giving fuel to the impression that Trads to defend predators in the intersts of preserving their anti-Conciliar cult (as evidenced by this comment here and taken together with the prior one) as well as for the slander itself.

    This guy needs to be banned for calumny and slander against +Vigano.  This has been going on here for a long time unchecked, where various moronic buffoons were accusing +Vigano of everything from Luciferian Sun Worshipper to Freemason because he had used an Italian rendering of "Amen" that can be found in pre-Vatican II Missals.

    I've about had enough of it, and the longer you let this go on unabated, Matthew, the more you too become an accomplice in calumny and slander.  That appears to be par for the course, so I wonder where some get the impression that we're a ridiculous cult who aid, abet, and condone pretty much anything and everything, including calumny and slander ... to to defend this Traddie movement that stinks more and more every day of being rotten to the core.

    Until this guy gets banned ... I'm done here.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #193 on: Yesterday at 04:28:15 PM »
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  • Can 'Truthy', or anyone else please confirm who ordained Fr/Mr Moran?  No one wants to accuse an innocent man but the lack of transparency is not helping.

    As I wrote in the thread above a simple statement clarifying the situation from Bp Morgan would resolve the matter. Why is Bp Morgan so reticent to resolve this issue?

    Why does it even matter?  He was evidently ordained in the Conciliar Church?  I suspect that either +Vigano or +Williamson then conditionally ordained him.  +Vigano repented of at least having worked with him, if not conditionally ordaining him, having said he and +Williamson had been deceived.

    And, yes, you are correct.  Longer +Morgan goes without any comment, the more guilty he looks.  There's absolutely no excuse for him to chime in with at least a brief sentence or two stating his role in the matter ... unless there's some truth to the allegations.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #194 on: Yesterday at 04:39:24 PM »
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  • Why does it even matter?  He was evidently ordained in the Conciliar Church?  I suspect that either +Vigano or +Williamson then conditionally ordained him.  +Vigano repented of at least having worked with him, if not conditionally ordaining him, having said he and +Williamson had been deceived.

    And, yes, you are correct.  Longer +Morgan goes without any comment, the more guilty he looks.  There's absolutely no excuse for him to chime in with at least a brief sentence or two stating his role in the matter ... unless there's some truth to the allegations
    I do not disagree with you.  All I am saying is clarity and tranparency would be beneficial considering the times we live in.

    I actually do think it matters if Fr/Mr Moran is a valid priest or not.  I heard a rumour, unsubstansiated, that he had been 'ordained' using the revised 1961 Pontificale by a 'bishop' consecrated in the new rite.