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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Man arrested for email
« Reply #135 on: July 01, 2025, 01:34:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on July 01, 2025, 09:24:14 AM
    His pinned comment:

    He says CathInfo is "enabling a predator priest in their midst" and is "very happy to have child abusers in their midst"

    Mr. Piano man needs to retract and apologize for these comments, or I think we should collectively hire attorneys to bring a defamation suit against him.  No one here is enabling predators or happy to have child abusers around ... not a one.  He's transferred questions about his own motivations or the potential veracity of his allegations (against Bishop Morgan more than against Moran), due to his bruise ego, in to false slanderous allegations against the members of CathInfo.

    This is like where if a juror does not vote guilty in a trial for someone who committed heinous crimes, he's falsely accused of condoning the crimes ... when the separate and distinct question is whether THIS INDIVIDUAL is guilty of the crimes, where if the juror did believe he was guilty, he would certainly have voted to convict -- but just because the crimes were heinous, that does not mean we should commit another wrong by falsely accusing an innocent (while also generally putting an end to the search for and investigation of the REAL perpetrator).  Scores of innocent people have been falsely convicted of heinous crimes where the conviction was rooted in almost no evidence, but simply an emotional reaction against the atrocities themselves ... exonerated later after, say, DNA technology because available (they had saved some of the DNA) and proved definitively that he had not committed the crime, and someone else had.

    In any case, I think we should consider a defamation lawsuit against Mr. Piano Man absent a retraction of these slanderous comments against us.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #136 on: July 01, 2025, 01:38:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2025, 01:28:08 PM
    Yeah, let's draw the line here.  I don't care what he did in graphic detail.  Even absent any details, he poses a threat.  If he's capable of acting contrary to purity with minors (doesn't matter if they're "JUST" under 18) ... then he's a danger to children, since he can't control his impure impulses, even with youngsters.  It may be she was "17" now, but the next one might be 15, 13, 10?  This is good enough to definitely ban him from any "priestly ministry", as the Conciliars would phrase it.  Let's not actually start even implicitly condoning this filth.  Even the slightest hint of this and he needed to be jettisoned.

    Archbishop Vigano stated that based on what he knew (and evidently he didn't now all the details either) ... that Moran should not be permitted to have anything to do with youngsters and that no one should be working with him.  He's 100% spot on.
    I completely agree, but Piano Man has labeled him a child abuser, said we are defending and enabling child abusers, and his followers are now saying the same and that we are defending pedophiles...all while there is zero concrete evidence about Fr. Moran
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #137 on: July 01, 2025, 03:33:47 PM »
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    • Update from the UK. I have been told that a comment to this effect keeps getting taken down from BK's YouTube account --

    Brendan K is keeping quiet and covering up that he was good friends with Bishop Richard Williamson to such an extent that the Bishop married him. There is a picture from the SSPX District magazine of about 12 or 13 years ago showing the Kavanaghs next to the Bishop, but I dont know how to include the jpeg image. There was also a picture of them with the Bishop after he had married them in another issue of that magazine, 

    It is believed that Brendan also introduced Bishop Williamson to David Irving, the historian. Brendan was invited to a party at David Iriving's house and took the Bishop as his guest. This shows how friendly they were and the Bishop was one of their first clerical visitors to see their chapel barn. 
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #138 on: July 01, 2025, 03:51:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truthy on July 01, 2025, 03:33:47 PM
    Update from the UK. I have been told that a comment to this effect keeps getting taken down from BK's YouTube account --

    Brendan K is keeping quiet and covering up that he was good friends with Bishop Richard Williamson to such an extent that the Bishop married him. There is a picture from the SSPX District magazine of about 12 or 13 years ago showing the Kavanaghs next to the Bishop, but I dont know how to include the jpeg image. There was also a picture of them with the Bishop after he had married them in another issue of that magazine,

    It is believed that Brendan also introduced Bishop Williamson to David Irving, the historian. Brendan was invited to a party at David Iriving's house and took the Bishop as his guest. This shows how friendly they were and the Bishop was one of their first clerical visitors to see their chapel barn.
    Thanks for the info. You can add images using the "attachments and other options" below the comment box. You could also upload to a site like imgur and post the link here.

    It seems like Piano man is the "old acquaintance" mentioned in The Recusant's article on Fr. Moran who sent and received an email from the diocese in Martinique (this is supported by what he said in his original "arrest context"  video)..which also means he was in direct contact with +Vigano, because The Recusant mentions that same "old acquaintance" as being the one who contacted +Vigano. He seems to have a lot of connections in traddieland..
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #139 on: July 01, 2025, 03:58:51 PM »
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    • The picture with Bishop Williamson
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #140 on: July 01, 2025, 04:45:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truthy on July 01, 2025, 03:58:51 PM
    The picture with Bishop Williamson
    Ah. This is starting to get interesting. He's just removed the pinned post with a link to this thread
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #141 on: July 01, 2025, 05:09:24 PM »
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    • I'm just going to leave a second photo here, it's Bp. Morgan (as a bishop already) celebrating Mass at Dr. Ks chapel. It's from the German Wikipedia article "Paul Morgan (priest)"



    Also @Truthy, if you attach an image via "attachment", non-logged in users (i.e. strangers who are now reading this thread) can't see it - so here is the image again for everybody: 



    I also have slightly more info on this situation (not the conclusion to this drama, just some non-public emails), but I'm going to wait until Friday to post it, as I want to give them enough time to respond (or not respond). I also want to see how the situation will unfold until then without my input - but if the person in question refuses to respond to me, I'll have to post it.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #142 on: July 01, 2025, 06:50:21 PM »
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    • The plot thickens...
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #143 on: July 01, 2025, 07:06:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on July 01, 2025, 01:38:22 PM
    I completely agree, but Piano Man has labeled him a child abuser, said we are defending and enabling child abusers, and his followers are now saying the same and that we are defending pedophiles...all while there is zero concrete evidence about Fr. Moran

    We do know that Father Moran had been convicted in formal proceedings of some kind, and just because we haven't seen the evidence, that doesn't mean there isn't any.  I'm sure there is, even if we haven't seen it ... and since it appears to come from credible sources (the investigation, from +Vigano) ... there's no reason to deny its existence.  He'd be in the category of "credibly accused".  No one need prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the allegations are true as if in a criminal trial in order to sever any working relationship with him.  +Vigano indicated that the nature of the charges suggested that he be kept away from working with children ... and that really suffices.  Nobody has the authority to prosecute him, nor does Moran have some right to work with any particular Traditional organization.  Bishop Morgan could stop working with him just because he doesn't like the smell of his aftershave.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #144 on: July 01, 2025, 07:32:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2025, 07:06:58 PM
    We do know that Father Moran had been convicted in formal proceedings of some kind, and just because we haven't seen the evidence, that doesn't mean there isn't any.  I'm sure there is, even if we haven't seen it ... and since it appears to come from credible sources (the investigation, from +Vigano) ... there's no reason to deny its existence.  He'd be in the category of "credibly accused".  No one need prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the allegations are true as if in a criminal trial in order to sever any working relationship with him.  +Vigano indicated that the nature of the charges suggested that he be kept away from working with children ... and that really suffices.  Nobody has the authority to prosecute him, nor does Moran have some right to work with any particular Traditional organization.  Bishop Morgan could stop working with him just because he doesn't like the smell of his aftershave.
    Of course, I think the emails already provided are sufficient evidence for the Resistance to cut all ties with him and to publicly warn the faithful about him..strangely, neither of those things have happened AFAIK. My point is that I do not think it is proper to label him a "child abuser" or "pedophile priest" at this point because all we know is that he was found guilty of "acts contrary to the sixth commandment with a minor"..that could mean fornication with someone a year or less under the age of majority, or it could mean something much worse. Regardless, anything that would fall under that description would be a heinous sin for a cleric to commit and he should be totally avoided 
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #145 on: July 02, 2025, 01:34:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on July 01, 2025, 07:32:18 PM
    Of course, I think the emails already provided are sufficient evidence for the Resistance to cut all ties with him and to publicly warn the faithful about him..strangely, neither of those things have happened AFAIK. My point is that I do not think it is proper to label him a "child abuser" or "pedophile priest" at this point because all we know is that he was found guilty of "acts contrary to the sixth commandment with a minor"..that could mean fornication with someone a year or less under the age of majority, or it could mean something much worse. Regardless, anything that would fall under that description would be a heinous sin for a cleric to commit and he should be totally avoided

    Yeah, but you're just splitting hairs here ... as those terms apply at least legally, and that suffices.  I think everyone is aware that 18 tends to be the cutoff age for transitioning from child to adult, and that those terms apply from a legal standpoint even if you want to argue that it's not true from a "natural" one.  I find that you're spending way too much time definding this guy from semantic "impropriety" when at the end of the day it doesn't matter, and the guy is a threat.  Not sure why you're so zealous about defefending him from being labeled a "child abuser" or "pedophile" ... when those terms are applicable according to legal standards and therefore not inappropriate nor in any way slanderous.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #146 on: July 02, 2025, 01:37:28 AM »
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    • More edifying content coming from the Resistance-haters over there ...
    https://x.com/fionapettit71/status/1904990166554407400
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #147 on: July 02, 2025, 04:10:45 AM »
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    • The video accusing CathInfo of complicity has been made 'private' now.
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #148 on: July 02, 2025, 06:25:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on July 01, 2025, 05:09:24 PM
    I'm just going to leave a second photo here, it's Bp. Morgan (as a bishop already) celebrating Mass at Dr. Ks chapel. It's from the German Wikipedia article "Paul Morgan (priest)"



    Also @Truthy, if you attach an image via "attachment", non-logged in users (i.e. strangers who are now reading this thread) can't see it - so here is the image again for everybody:



    I also have slightly more info on this situation (not the conclusion to this drama, just some non-public emails), but I'm going to wait until Friday to post it, as I want to give them enough time to respond (or not respond). I also want to see how the situation will unfold until then without my input - but if the person in question refuses to respond to me, I'll have to post it.
    Thank you Baldwin and Truthy for sharing this information.

    Prayers for Dr. K, Bishop Morgan and everyone involved.  :pray:
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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #149 on: July 02, 2025, 09:00:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 02, 2025, 01:34:35 AM
    Yeah, but you're just splitting hairs here ... as those terms apply at least legally, and that suffices.  I think everyone is aware that 18 tends to be the cutoff age for transitioning from child to adult, and that those terms apply from a legal standpoint even if you want to argue that it's not true from a "natural" one.  I find that you're spending way too much time definding this guy from semantic "impropriety" when at the end of the day it doesn't matter, and the guy is a threat.  Not sure why you're so zealous about defefending him from being labeled a "child abuser" or "pedophile" ... when those terms are applicable according to legal standards and therefore not inappropriate nor in any way slanderous.
    I'm "zealously defending" someone whom you believe can be appropriately labeled a "pedophile"? I resent what's being insinuated!

    What we know:
    Fr. Moran was found guilty of "acts contrary to the sixth commandments with a minor".

    Those are Canon law terms. We know nothing about what he was found guilty of by the state, or if he was. No one has provided any evidence of him being tried and convicted by the state.

    I am opposed to immediately labeling him a "child abuser" or "pedophile" because that is not necessarily the case. There is insufficient evidence to label him either of those things, because they mean specific things, and we do not have specifics. For instance, IF the "minor" involved was 17 and the "act" was fornication then neither of those terms would be appropriate. In that case they are the dialect of the enemy. Calling a 17 year old a "child" is the dialect of the enemy. It falsely removes culpability from those already past the age of reason. Do you not think it sinister that the majority of people have been led to believe that a, say, 15 year old lacks the mental faculties necessary to "consent" to certain sins? That is a, literally, damnable notion and I pity the youth it has been instilled in.

    AGAIN, because this is apparently necessary, I am NOT defending ANYTHING Fr Moran has done. There is enough evidence to label him a threat, to avoid him and to make others aware of him
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