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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Man arrested for email
« Reply #105 on: Yesterday at 09:11:48 PM »
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  • I never said he said he was a Trad, just wondering WHAT he was ... pointing out an inconsistency in someone who speaks approvingly of the official Church, and then characterizing other groups as "fringe' or even "cultish".  If you approve of the official Church, which in turn disapproves of these "fringe" groups, which would be considered not even in "partial" union with the Conciliars, that's an inconsistency that needs to be accounted for.  Is he, as you said, more a pure smells-and-bells guy who just wanted the Traditional asthetics, even as some movie producer might want to arrange them, or is there some other rationale ... and if you consider the group "finge" and "cultish", then why did you seek out any random fringe-group priest to offer the Mass for you?

    None of this is, as I quite cleary explained, either here nor there regarding the veracity of what he reports ... but we can't rule it out either (as it COULD factor in).  Point is to ferret out the truth.

    But as he should see if he's monitoring the activity on this thread, NOBODY HERE is "circling the wagons" in a priori defense of Bishops Morgan and Ballini.  We also don't want to shoot him in the face either ... and end up having been wrong.  As Matthew said, we're trying to get to the truth .. wherever that may lead.  And, right now, since it's basically what would qualify as "hearsay" (since we have no independent verification) ... we have no choice but to question possible motivations of the individual making the allegations.  These are all types of questions that a police investigation would ask ... inquiring into motive, attempting to get corroborating evidence, etc -- before thinking you had enough evidence to take the case to a prosecutor or a grand jury.
    Not to derail but what docuмents from the Church cover modesty? Also does it include men, i need this info.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #106 on: Yesterday at 09:31:51 PM »
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  • Not to derail but what docuмents from the Church cover modesty? Also does it include men, i need this info.
    Is this the docuмent?
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    Acta Apostolicae Sedis (Acts of the Apostolic See) to the Bishops and Ordinaries under Pope Pius XI:
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    “In virtue of the Supreme Apostleship which he exercises in the universal Church, His Holiness, Pius XI, has never ceased to inculcate in word and writing that precept of St. Paul (1 Tim. 2:9-10): ‘Women also in decent apparel; adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety… as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works.’
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    “And on many occasions, the same Supreme Pontiff has reproved and sharply condemned the immodesty in dress which today is everywhere in vogue, even among women and girls who are Catholics; a practice which does grave injury to the crowning virtue and glory of women, and moreover unfortunately leads not merely to their temporal disadvantage, but, what is worse, to their eternal ruin and that of other souls.
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    “It is no wonder, then, that Bishops and other Ordinaries of places, as becomes ministers of Christ, have in their respective dioceses unanimously resisted in every way this licentious and shameless fashion, and in doing so have cheerfully and courageously borne the derision and ridicule sometimes directed at them by the ill-disposed.
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    “Accordingly, this Sacred Congregation for the maintenance of discipline among clergy and people, in the first place accords merited approval and praise to this vigilance and action on the part of the Bishops, and moreover earnestly exhorts them to continue in the purpose and undertaking they have so well begun, and to pursue them with even greater vigor, until this contagious disease be entirely banished from decent society.
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    “That this may be accomplished with greater ease and security, this Sacred Congregation, in pursuance of the orders of His Holiness, has determined upon the following regulations on the subject:
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    “I. Especially pastors and preachers, when they have the opportunity, must, according to those words of St. Paul (2 Tim. 4:2): ‘be instant, reprove, entreat, rebuke,’ to the end that women may wear clothes of beocming modesty, which may be an ornament and safeguard of virtue; and they must also warn parents not to permit their daughters to wear immodest clothes.
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    “II. Parents, mindful of their very grave obligation to provide especially for the moral and religious education of their children, must see to it with special care that their girls receive solid instruction in Christian doctrine from their earliest years; and they themselves must by word and example earnesily train them to a love of modesty and chastity. After the example of the Holy Family they must strive so to order and regulate the family that every member of it shall find at home a reason and inducement to love and to cherish modesty.
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    “III. Parents should also prevent their daughters from taking part in public drills and athletic contests. If the girls are obliged to take part in them, the parents must see to it that they wear a costume that is entirely modest, and must never permit them to appear in immodest dress.
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    “IV. Heads of girls’ schools and colleges must strive so to imbue the hearts of their girls with the love of modesty that they may be induced to dress modestly.
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    “V. They shall not admit to the schools or colleges girls who are given to immodest dress; and if any such have been admitted, they shall be dismissed unless they change their ways.
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    “VI. Nuns, in accordance with the Letter of 23 August 1928, of the Sacred Congregation of Religious, shall not admit to their colleges, schools, oratories, or amusement centers, nor allow to remain there any girls who do not observe Christian modesty in dress; and in the education of their charges they shall take special care to sow deeply in their hearts a love of chastity and Christian modesty.
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    “VII. Pious associations of women shall be established and fostered for the purpose of restraining by counsel, example, and activity, abuses regarding immodest dress, and of promoting purity of morals and modesty of dress.
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    “VIII. Women who wear immodest clothes should not be admitted to these associations; and those who have been admitted, if they afterward commit any fault in this regard and fail to amend after being warned, shall be expelled.
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    “IX. Girls and women who are immodestly dressed are to be refused Holy Communion and excluded from the office of sponsor in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation, and in proper cases are even to be excluded from the church.
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    “X. On such feasts throughout the year as offer special opportunities for inculcating Christian modesty, especially on the feasts of the Blessed Virgin, pastors and priests who have charge of pious unions and Catholic associations should not fail to preach a timely sermon on the subject, in order to encourage women to cultivate Christian modesty in dress. On the feast of the Immaculate Conception, special prayers shall be recited every year in all cathedral and parish churches, and when it is possible there shall also be a timely exhortation by way of a solemn sermon to the people.
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    “XI. The diocesan Council of Vigilance, mentioned in the declaration of the Holy Office, 22 March 1918, shall at least once every year treat especially of the ways and means of providing effectively for modesty in women’s dress.
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    “XII. In order that this salutary action may proceed with greater efficacy and security, Bishops and other Ordinaries of places shall every third year, together with their report on religious instruction mentioned in the Motu proprio, Orbem Catholicuм of 29 June, 1923, also inform this Sacred Congregation upon the situation as regards women’s dress, and upon the measures that will have been taken in pursuance of this Instruction.”



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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #107 on: Today at 04:27:36 AM »
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  • It's very difficult to imagine that the Resistance would allow a priest of doubtful background, to join their ranks, and put them in public whilst ignoring warnings. ( From Mgr Vigano of all people ). This is yet one more aspect which sets the Resistance appart from the SSPX which does this all the time. 

    However, if Brendan Kavanagh was a traditionalist catholic, he would probably have been persuaded to keep his big mouth shut in order to preserve Tradition.  

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #108 on: Today at 06:41:56 AM »
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  • However, if Brendan Kavanagh was a traditionalist catholic, he would probably have been persuaded to keep his big mouth shut in order to preserve Tradition. 

    Great point.  Yes, they would browbeat a Trad by claiming they're committing the grave sin of scandal and calumny (or at least detraction) against the accused by going public with it.  That's one of their favorite tactics to keep their cover, and that might be one reason they like to infiltrate Trad groups, in addition to the appeal of Trad aesthetics to queer eye ... since what Trad wants to commit a grave sin or, if you don't buy their argument (few would not) to be effectively excommunicated in being deprived of the Sacraments?

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #109 on: Today at 06:49:50 AM »
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  • Is this the docuмent?

    Yes.  So while one might claim "Prude!" ... the individual may also have been motivated by obedience to papal teaching, with the true motivations resting in the internal forum.  So if it's wrong and sinful to dress this way, then does it not entail a participation in sin by spreading images of the same? I've asked that before when a Taylor Marshall would denounce public immodesty ... while posting pictures of it on his show, to get ratings, with a slight blur that nonetheless left absolutely nothing to the imagination, or when he showed video or audio of people blaspheming.  To me, that's to commit the same sin you're denouncing.


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #110 on: Today at 06:55:41 AM »
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  • Yes, exactly.
    Fr. Kerry / Ciaran Moran wrote to Matthew several days ago. As I mentioned before, any accused is free to clear their name in this court of public opinion by explaining the facts, but so far he's chosen not to do so. He just wants the thread to be deleted.
    Matthew can't share here what he wrote as he was asked that it be "confidential", but I do know what WASN'T included.
    - no mention of accusations from the Diocese of Cardiff
    - no mention of accusations from time spent in London
    - nothing at all that is 3rd-party verifiable

    Father Moran (any relation? ... speaking of "fake") ... has been found guilty in some formal proceedings, so I'm more concerned about Bishops Morgan and Ballini at this point.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #111 on: Today at 09:18:22 AM »
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  • John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #112 on: Today at 09:24:14 AM »
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  • His pinned comment:


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    Where these INCEL losers hang out: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news /man-arrested-for-email/75/
    He says CathInfo is "enabling a predator priest in their midst" and is "very happy to have child abusers in their midst"
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #113 on: Today at 09:28:11 AM »
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  • Dr K really needs to do his homework before he starts calling for investigations.  :facepalm:

    This website has no legal affiliation with the sspx-resistance; we're just a bunch of people who talk about what's going on in the world.  We don't know what the UK clerics are doing, we don't talk to them and we don't do what they say.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #114 on: Today at 09:46:46 AM »
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  • Dr K really needs to do his homework before he starts calling for investigations.  :facepalm:

    This website has no legal affiliation with the sspx-resistance; we're just a bunch of people who talk about what's going on in the world.  We don't know what the UK clerics are doing, we don't talk to them and we don't do what they say.
    And he is again disingenuously claiming we are "attacking" him to defend Fr Moran and cover up child abuse. 99% of any "attacks" on him were not to discredit him, but questioning why the trad clergy were associating with him to begin with. However,  if that indiscretion on the part of the trad clergy is what it takes to shed light on the Fr Moran situation..GOOD
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Man arrested for email
    « Reply #115 on: Today at 09:49:02 AM »
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  • His pinned comment:

    He says CathInfo is "enabling a predator priest in their midst" and is "very happy to have child abusers in their midst"


    We called him "the worst person in the world"? Source?

    Child abusers plural now! Fr. Moran (who is only accused) isn't even a member! How is he "in our midst"?

    Sorry, bub, pedophilia is quite against the rules on CathInfo. Cause for an instant ban. Can he point to a single pedo on the forum? Not "in the world", but on the forum. I am unable to jail, ban, or otherwise punish people who aren't members of the forum.

    Is this guy serious?
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    « Reply #116 on: Today at 09:50:03 AM »
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  • Dr K really needs to do his homework before he starts calling for investigations.  :facepalm:

    This website has no legal affiliation with the sspx-resistance; we're just a bunch of people who talk about what's going on in the world.  We don't know what the UK clerics are doing, we don't talk to them and we don't do what they say.

    Are we the Borg now? We're not a single hive mind. The Resistance "authorities" don't do what *we* say either. CathInfo is a virtual Coffee-and-Donuts hall. Nothing more, nothing less. We are a Free Speech coffee and donuts hall. And run by a layman with no power outside of the forum!

    Has he even read this thread? At least 50% of it (before he made his first video attacking us, of course!) was about Fr. Moran/"Fr. Fake". What more does he want? We are mostly in other countries. We're not Sherlock Holmes, we're not the Police. We are just serious (Traditional) Catholics, who take morality more seriously than most modern Catholics. But we all have families and jobs. Let's face it: It is highly probable that we can't "get to the bottom of this" with all our power.

    Why doesn't he make some phone calls and share the results of his investigation? Him attacking us is like attacking the owner/clientele of an Irish pub in England, because a questionable man he's trying to bring to justice happens to be Irish. Has he ever considered that most people in that Irish pub would like to see justice served as well? It's not like if one Irish man is guilty, all the Irish are guilty. There's this thing about not being God, where you can't control everything that happens. Sometimes you can't even control what your own body does, or what those in your own family do. Much less people on a different continent! Give me a break.

    Are all the Brits socializing at the pub responsible for everything their government does? Let's keep the same standards of responsibility here.
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    « Reply #117 on: Today at 10:04:23 AM »
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  • After getting himself in trouble with the police, he now goes to attack people who are commenting on a situation he made public. If his feelings are hurt regarding the modesty question, he should examine his conscience without lashing out.

    The SSPX Resistance is an idea or loose collective. The priest in question had red flags. These have been disclosed. It is a matter for the relevant authorities.

    All involved have rights. The secular authorities simply see two people, rather than a priest and a traditionalist. 

    This musician now needs to calm down and listen to the advice of his lawyer and the legal authorities.

    Vigilantism rarely ends well. 


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  • The "SSPX Resistance" is already a "loose network of independent bishops and priests" (so not much hierarchical control or authority there).

    And he's confusing the SSPX Resistance with the membership of this forum, or the forum itself! Come on man, you're not stupid. What are you on about? What kind of game are you playing here?
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    « Reply #119 on: Today at 10:33:13 AM »
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  • At the risk of taking Piano Man seriously,

    Does he REALLY THINK that we are OK with pedos? Especially in the priesthood? 

    I got news for him. I have 9 children myself. 6 of whom are under 15. More children than he has, if I'm not mistaken. Does he think I'd like any of my children to be scarred for life, damaged goods, turned into ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, thanks to the predations of some pedo? Since he isn't very good at logic or deep thinking, I'll help him out: NO, I AM EVERY BIT AS AGAINST THAT CRIME AS HE IS.

    He complains about our stricter morality as regards nudity, etc. but then he's claiming to be "more moral" and "more good" than us about pedophilia. Pot, meet kettle.
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