Author Topic: Major change in Ridgefield New principle for Padre Pio Academy (Read 20591 times)

2Vermont · « **Reply #30 on:** August 16, 2015, 09:13:03 AM »

Quote from: Matto

I think it is insane that the SSPX does not conditionally ordain all Novus Ordo priests who come over to the SSPX. I know of people at my chapel (including me) who would walk out if this man came to say Mass there (which may very well happen because sometimes priests from Ridgefield say Mass at my chapel) because of doubts about his ordination. I would guess that this is common. I guess it is more important not to offend Rome than to reassure those many SSPX faithful who have doubts about Novus Ordo orders.

I know that this man is traditional for a Novus Ordo priest but he is still a Novus Ordo priest. He should have to go to seminary for a few years so he could learn all the things they no longer teach in Novus Ordo seminaries and be trained to be a real priest and then conditionally ordained and then become principal.

I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

covet truth · « **Reply #31 on:** August 16, 2015, 02:57:35 PM »

Quote from: ark of covenant

I would like to throw up another interesting point on the academy. WHY IS IT NAMED PADRE PIO ACADEMY? I for one accept that Padre Pio is a saint, but the SSPX has a policy not to accept these post 62 canonisations because of the changes to the form. If anybody wants to debate this let them go ahead.

In Christo
Ark.

There is nothing wrong with giving Padre Pio's name to an academy. It would be wrong to call it St. Padre Pio or to name a church for him since it is not allowed to say a Mass in his honor as a saint. Since the changes in 1983 to the canonization process all saints "so-called" since that time are suspect. They include John XXIII, J.P. II, Jose Escriva, soon P. Paul VI, and on and on. You can't accept one without accepting them all. From what I know about Padre Pio I can't imagine that he would care to be included with many on the list since 1983. We know he's in heaven for sure and that is enough.

Watch to see if the SSPX changes their stance on this subject as it will be indicative of a change of policy to please the Romans.

compline · « **Reply #32 on:** August 16, 2015, 03:00:16 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

Father Carl Sulzen?

Miseremini · « **Reply #33 on:** August 16, 2015, 05:00:25 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: ark of covenant
I would like to throw up another interesting point on the academy. WHY IS IT NAMED PADRE PIO ACADEMY? I for one accept that Padre Pio is a saint, but the SSPX has a policy not to accept these post 62 canonisations because of the changes to the form. If anybody wants to debate this let them go ahead.

In Christo
Ark.

They don't? Is that docuмented somewhere?

Not everything is docuмented. When we were discussing a name for our chapel we wanted St. Andre (the miracle worker of Canada) but it was nixed because he was canonized in the new rite.
Brother St. Andre is definitely a saint (he died in the 1930's) but we were over ruled anyway.

Matto · « **Reply #34 on:** August 16, 2015, 05:36:51 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

Father Sulzen has said Mass at my chapel a few times. He heard my confession once. I remember thinking that he gave me good advice during my confession. I believe he was always an SSPX priest so there should be no doubts about his ordination.

cathman7 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 16, 2015, 06:26:36 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: 2Vermont
I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

Father Sulzen has said Mass at my chapel a few times. He heard my confession once. I remember thinking that he gave me good advice during my confession. I believe he was always an SSPX priest so there should be no doubts about his ordination.

Fr. Sulzen was ordained in 1998 by Bishop de Galarreta.

http://stas.org/sites/sspx/files/v070_sum1998.pdf

(Incidentally, there is an interview of Bishop Williamson in this issue)

2Vermont · « **Reply #36 on:** August 16, 2015, 06:37:42 PM »

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Quote from: 2Vermont

I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

Father Carl Sulzen?

Yes.

2Vermont · « **Reply #37 on:** August 16, 2015, 06:43:12 PM »

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Quote from: Matto
Quote from: 2Vermont
I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

Father Sulzen has said Mass at my chapel a few times. He heard my confession once. I remember thinking that he gave me good advice during my confession. I believe he was always an SSPX priest so there should be no doubts about his ordination.

Fr. Sulzen was ordained in 1998 by Bishop de Galarreta.

http://stas.org/sites/sspx/files/v070_sum1998.pdf

(Incidentally, there is an interview of Bishop Williamson in this issue)

I noticed another priest mentioned in this issue. Unless I missed it, do we know if this Fr Crane was ordained by an Old Rite Bishop and was ordained in the Old Rite?

2Vermont · « **Reply #38 on:** August 16, 2015, 06:46:13 PM »

Quote from: covet truth

Quote from: ark of covenant
I would like to throw up another interesting point on the academy. WHY IS IT NAMED PADRE PIO ACADEMY? I for one accept that Padre Pio is a saint, but the SSPX has a policy not to accept these post 62 canonisations because of the changes to the form. If anybody wants to debate this let them go ahead.

In Christo
Ark.

There is nothing wrong with giving Padre Pio's name to an academy. It would be wrong to call it St. Padre Pio or to name a church for him since it is not allowed to say a Mass in his honor as a saint. Since the changes in 1983 to the canonization process all saints "so-called" since that time are suspect. They include John XXIII, J.P. II, Jose Escriva, soon P. Paul VI, and on and on. You can't accept one without accepting them all. From what I know about Padre Pio I can't imagine that he would care to be included with many on the list since 1983. We know he's in heaven for sure and that is enough.

Watch to see if the SSPX changes their stance on this subject as it will be indicative of a change of policy to please the Romans.

It's actually called St Padre Pio Academy though.....

compline · « **Reply #39 on:** August 16, 2015, 06:59:02 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: obscurus
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: 2Vermont
I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

Father Sulzen has said Mass at my chapel a few times. He heard my confession once. I remember thinking that he gave me good advice during my confession. I believe he was always an SSPX priest so there should be no doubts about his ordination.

Fr. Sulzen was ordained in 1998 by Bishop de Galarreta.

http://stas.org/sites/sspx/files/v070_sum1998.pdf

(Incidentally, there is an interview of Bishop Williamson in this issue)

I noticed another priest mentioned in this issue. Unless I missed it, do we know if this Fr Crane was ordained by an Old Rite Bishop and was ordained in the Old Rite?

Both Fathers Sulzen and Crane were ordained in the SSPX. They were in the same year at Winona.

In fact, the pdf linked here shows their SSPX ordinations. Are you missing something here?

2Vermont · « **Reply #40 on:** August 16, 2015, 07:03:42 PM »

Quote from: compline

Quote from: 2Vermont
Quote from: obscurus
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: 2Vermont
I would just like to say that I once researched the ordination of Fr Sulzen in order to find out whether I could go to his chapel and receive the Sacrament of Confession. He was ordained (and the bishop who ordained him was consecrated) with the Old Rites.

Father Sulzen has said Mass at my chapel a few times. He heard my confession once. I remember thinking that he gave me good advice during my confession. I believe he was always an SSPX priest so there should be no doubts about his ordination.

Fr. Sulzen was ordained in 1998 by Bishop de Galarreta.

http://stas.org/sites/sspx/files/v070_sum1998.pdf

(Incidentally, there is an interview of Bishop Williamson in this issue)

I noticed another priest mentioned in this issue. Unless I missed it, do we know if this Fr Crane was ordained by an Old Rite Bishop and was ordained in the Old Rite?

Both Fathers Sulzen and Crane were ordained in the SSPX. They were in the same year at Winona.

In fact, the pdf linked here shows their SSPX ordinations. Are you missing something here?

Probably...lol. Sorry. Thanks for clarifying and good to know.

covet truth · « **Reply #41 on:** August 16, 2015, 07:28:25 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: covet truth
Quote from: ark of covenant
I would like to throw up another interesting point on the academy. WHY IS IT NAMED PADRE PIO ACADEMY? I for one accept that Padre Pio is a saint, but the SSPX has a policy not to accept these post 62 canonisations because of the changes to the form. If anybody wants to debate this let them go ahead.

In Christo
Ark.

There is nothing wrong with giving Padre Pio's name to an academy. It would be wrong to call it St. Padre Pio or to name a church for him since it is not allowed to say a Mass in his honor as a saint. Since the changes in 1983 to the canonization process all saints "so-called" since that time are suspect. They include John XXIII, J.P. II, Jose Escriva, soon P. Paul VI, and on and on. You can't accept one without accepting them all. From what I know about Padre Pio I can't imagine that he would care to be included with many on the list since 1983. We know he's in heaven for sure and that is enough.

Watch to see if the SSPX changes their stance on this subject as it will be indicative of a change of policy to please the Romans.

It's actually called St Padre Pio Academy though.....

I know people have begun to call it that and the Society has evidently not corrected it as they would have done (and did) in the past. It would be informative to know if the decision to start using "St." came from the people or from the priests there.

2Vermont · « **Reply #42 on:** August 16, 2015, 08:50:41 PM »

That would be interesting. I wonder when there was a name change if any. If it happened in 2012, that might be a clue.

Nadir · « **Reply #43 on:** August 17, 2015, 03:22:51 AM »

:really-mad2: to the mad down-thumber!

Might as well get out the pom-poms for 2Vermont! :rahrah: :rahrah: :cheers:

2Vermont · « **Reply #44 on:** August 17, 2015, 06:21:44 AM »

Quote from: Nadir

:really-mad2: to the mad down-thumber!

Might as well get out the pom-poms for 2Vermont! :rahrah: :rahrah: :cheers:

Ha. I was a bit surprised by it. It must be a NSSPXer.

You do know that any reference to down thumbing results in more down-thumbing though, right?