I believe they escaped hell by virtue of the last rites received. That will take great faith for some to accept, but the reason God created that sacrament was specifically to save sinners from hell in their last agony. Whether the NO sacrament has the power to save is debatable, yet the rule is that Church always presumes validity until proven otherwise.

I think we all have the good sense to suspect that there is another underlying motive for these canonizations; besides merely affirming that the alleged saints were pardoned for his sins at the time of death, and are enjoying the Beatific Vision.

Here's what you wrote:

If hell was "reserved for bad Catholics", then Pilate would be in heaven.

You butchered the paraphrasing of the text earlier with your use of ellipsis. The emphasis is "worst tortures".

From the actual text:

Venerable Mary of Agreda. The Mystical City of God: Complete Edition: The Divine History and Life of the Virgin Mother of God (Kindle Locations 22409-22458). Catholic Way Publishing. Kindle Edition.

536. As I have stated above, Judas was forsaken by divine grace at the time when he consummated his treachery by his perfidious kiss and by his contact with Christ our Savior. According to the hidden judgments of the Most High, although he was now left to his own counsels, the divine justice and equity, ingrained in the natural reason, permitted these reflections to arise and to be supplemented by many suggestions of Lucifer who possessed him. But though Judas thus reasoned correctly in these matters, it was the devil who awakened these truths and added many other false and deceitful suggestions, in order to deduct from them not the salutary hope of remedy, but to convince him of the impossibility of repairing the damage and to lead him to the despair to which he at last yielded. Lucifer roused in him a keen sorrow for his misdeeds; not however for a good purpose, nor founded upon having offended the divine Truth, but upon his disgrace among men and upon the fear of retribution from his Master, whom he knew to be miraculously powerful and One whom he would be able to escape nowhere in the whole world. Everywhere the blood of the just One would forever cry for vengeance against him. Filled with these thoughts and others aroused by the demon, he was involved in confusion, darkness and rabid rage against himself. Fleeing from all human beings he essayed to throw himself from the highest roof of the priests’ house without being able to execute his design. Gnawing like a wild beast at the flesh of his arms and hands, striking fearful blows at his head, tearing out his hair and raving in his talk, he rushed away and showered maledictions and execrations upon himself as the most unfortunate and miserable of men.

537. Seeing him thus beside himself Lucifer inspired him with the thought of hunting up the priests, returning to them the money and confessing his sin. This Judas hastened to do, and he loudly shouted at them those words: “I have sinned, betraying innocent blood!” (Matth. 27,4). But they, not less hardened, answered that he should have seen to that before. The intention of the demon was to hinder the death of Christ if possible, for reasons already given and yet to be given (No. 419). This repulse of the priests, so full of impious cruelty, took away all hope from Judas and he persuaded himself that it was impossible to hinder the death of his Master. So thought also the demon, although later on he made more efforts to forestall it through Pilate. But as Judas could be of no more use to him for his purpose, he augmented his distress and despair, persuading him that in order to avoid severer punishments he must end his life. Judas yielded to this terrible deceit, and rushing forth from the city, hung himself on a dried out fig tree (Matth. 27, 5). Thus he that was the murderer of his Creator, became also his own murderer. This happened on Friday at twelve o’clock, three hours before our Savior died. It was not becoming that his death and the consummation of our Redemption should coincide too closely with the execrable end of the traitorous disciple, who hated him with fiercest malice.

538. The demons at once took possession of the soul of Judas and brought it down to hell. His entrails burst from the body hanging upon the tree (Acts 1, 18). All that saw this stupendous punishment of the perfidious and malicious disciple for his treason, were filled with astonishment and dread. The body remained hanging by the neck for three days, exposed to the view of the public. During that time the Jews attempted to take it down from the tree and to bury it in secret, for it was a sight apt to cause great confusion to the pharisees and priests, who could not refute such a testimony of his wickedness. But no efforts of theirs sufficed to drag or separate the body from its position on the tree until three days had passed, when, according to the dispensation of divine justice, the demons themselves snatched the body from the tree and brought it to his soul, in order that both might suffer eternal punishment in the profoundest abyss of hell. Since what I have been made to know of the pains and chastisements of Judas, is worthy of fear inspiring attention, I will according to command reveal what has been shown me concerning it. Among the obscure caverns of the infernal prisons was a very large one, arranged for more horrible chastisements than the others, and which was still unoccupied; for the demons had been unable to cast any soul into it, although their cruelty had induced them to attempt it many times from the time of Cain unto that day. All hell had remained astonished at the failure of these attempts, being entirely ignorant of the mystery, until the arrival of the soul of Judas, which they readily succeeded in hurling and burying in this prison never before occupied by any of the damned. The secret of it was, that this cavern of greater torments and fiercer fires of hell, from the creation of the world, had been destined for those, who, after having received Baptism, would damn themselves by the neglect of the Sacraments, the doctrines, the Passion and Death of the Savior, and the intercession of his most holy Mother. As Judas had been the first one who had so signally participated in these blessings, and as he had so fearfully misused them, he was also the first to suffer the torments of this place, prepared for him and his imitators and followers.

539. This mystery I was commanded to reveal more particularly for a dreadful warning to all Christians, and especially to the priests, prelates and religious, who are accustomed to treat with more familiarity the body and blood of Christ our Lord, and who, by their office and state are his closer friends. In order to avoid blame I would like to find words and expressions sufficiently strong to make an impression on our unfeeling obduracy, so that we all may take a salutary warning and be filled with the fear of the punishments awaiting all bad Christians according to the station each one of us occupies. The demons torment Judas with inexpressible cruelty, because he persisted in the betrayal of his Master, by whose Passion and Death they were vanquished and despoiled of the possession of the world. The wrath which they had conceived against the Savior and his blessed Mother, they wreck, as far as is allowed them, on all those who imitate the traitorous disciple and who follow him in his contempt of the evangelical law, of the Sacraments and of the fruits of the Redemption. And in this the demons are but executing just punishment on those members of the mystical body of Christ, who have severed their connection with its head Christ, and who have voluntarily drifted away and delivered themselves over to the accursed hate and implacable fury of his enemies. As the instruments of divine justice they chastise the redeemed for their ingratitude toward their Redeemer. Let the children of the Church consider well this truth, for it cannot fail to move their hearts and induce them to evade such a lamentable fate.

Sean Johnson logic>>>>

St Alphonsus writes a line saying Baptism of Desire is De Fide, so it must be so.

His Holiness Benedict XIV teaches that Canonizations are De Fide in his 5 volume classical work on the subject; but he must have been all wrong .

That's the inconsistency I pointed out pages ago, and Johnson responded with ad hominems.

It's one or the other.  Either he's a heretic for rejecting the infallibility of canonizations or else Feeneyites are not heretics.

Yes.  The reason I brought up public sinners is because of the comments about JPII's so-called repentance before death.  There is no evidence of this and the Catholic Church wouldn't have even given him a Catholic Funeral Mass let alone canonized him.  

No, there's no evidence of a conversion.  But it's not impossible either.  Miraculous intercessions might be "evidence", just as they are used as evidence for canonizations in general.  But the miracles allegedly attributed to the intercession of Wojtyla seemed pretty lame and were not unexplainable by science.

You butchered the paraphrasing of the text earlier with your use of ellipsis. The emphasis is "worst tortures".

Yes, I used ellipses, and no, I did not butcher the text:

According to Mary of Agreda, our Lady revealed to her that Judas was sent to the worst tortures in Hell,  that he was the first in the history of the world to be cast into it, that it was reserved for bad Catholics.

According to Mary of Agreda, our Lady revealed to her that [...] Hell [...] was reserved for bad Catholics.

No it is not butchered! What happened to Judas is not my point. (Although he surely is not the first one ever sent to hell.)

My point is, that it is false to claim that "Hell is reserved for bad Catholics".

Worst tortures in Hell reserved for bad Catholics. . .

I suggest you better enhance your reading abilities. "It was" is singular and refers to "hell was".

Judas was sent to the worst tortures in Hell (a specific location in Hell)  that he was the first in the history of the world to be cast into it (the text refers to it as a very large cavern), that it was reserved for bad Catholics ("it" referring back to a specific location in Hell).

Even given your interpretation, grammar rules have to be obeyed. Thus the text signifies "hell was reserved for bad Catholics" and not "tortures in Hell was reserved for bad Catholics".

I think we all have the good sense to suspect that there is another underlying motive for these canonizations; besides merely affirming that the alleged saints were pardoned for his sins at the time of death, and are enjoying the Beatific Vision.

Certainly trads will have (correctly imo) hypothesized that they were canonized to further aid the enemy's futile efforts to destroy the Church, yet trads worth the label still have those last rites received by both popes to contend with.  

MMagdala:
And Stubborn, my friend, by your standard every Catholic who received Extreme Unction near death is a Saint and at some point should be canonized.  Don't think so.

Not so dear. I am not oblivious to the implications of what I am saying, but there are numerous Catholic ways to look at this situation first, rather than first ignoring it entirely as though it were some non-event - just as the NOers do. To ignore such an event is to blow off as meaningless that which is most certainly the most colossally important of all the events of their entire lifetime, namely, their having received the last sacraments in their last agony. 

We do not know with any certainty if they were saved via the sacrament, but we know that the Church (Trent) teaches that the sacrament "washes away the sins that remain to be atoned, and the vestiges of sin", so it is only with faith, perhaps very great faith for some, that we believe they escaped hell. To believe the sacrament did not produce this, it's intended effect, is to admit of having a decided lack of faith in the sacrament.  

God would have forgiven even Judas if he would have asked for forgiveness, well, it is apparent that these Judas' actually did ask for forgiveness, and by all appearances, they received it.