Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Love letter from the closet.  (Read 3405 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Machabees

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 826
  • Reputation: +0/-0
  • Gender: Male
Love letter from the closet.
« on: June 28, 2013, 02:34:16 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • This new Docuмent of the “Declaration of bishops of Society of St.Pius X on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations” found on Dici.org reminds me of the image in the Book of revelation –the dragon with 7-heads; but in this case –a dragon with 12-heads.

    Why is everyone really bowing down with all of this emotion and hype over this piece of paper?    

    Can people not see the continuance of the same dialectic they have been doing over the last year with the same type of shameful interviews and conferences.  Now, they want to throw out on the internet a New Docuмent for public consumption and appearances that they are “Holy and innocent”; while also showing at the same time, their vile side that is in the complete OPPOSITE position that Bishop Fellay adopted, stated, endorsed, and legally signed in their scandalous April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration that they had sent to the Pope!

    For the which, in the scandalous April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration, Menzingen believes and holds that Vatican II can be interpreted in the “light of Tradition”; Menzingen believes and accepts the complete and entire New Code of Canon Law with giving the Holy Eucharist to non-Catholics; Menzingen believes and accepts that the New mass is now “legitimate”, and therefore obligatory to assist at; along with stating that the New mass is “legitimate”, that is has the “legitimate” means of salvation in its morals and [dubious] ceremonies and sacraments.

    So now we have the three-Bishops pull out of their closet some words that once drew in the valiant.  They did this on a day that makes themselves celebrities –a 25th Anniversary.  (Sic.)  The day before, the three-Bishops were still unfaithful in playing in the wretched mud of modernism.  How about now the day after?  Is it a new light, or the same old tricks?

    Have people forgotten what modernism is all about, and the red carpet that was officially rolled out by the leaders of the N-SSPX?   Modernism is a “synthesis” of all things; ecuмenism; including to add in the mix some Traditional Catholicism.  

    Ok, so the three-Bishops put out another piece of paper.  So what!  They had also put out another piece of paper together with their scandalous 6-conditons of the 2012 General Chapter.  Where is the sincerity?  Where is the consistency?  Where is the honesty?  

    There is none.  

    Unfortunately, that is the stark reality.  Priests are still in a “kangaroo trial” fighting these same people who put out this new “hit piece” of distraction.  If someone said “I love you”, is there substance, sincerity, or honesty behind that?  Or, is it just for show and deceit?

    Reality needs to come back to focus before Bishop Fellay’s cult takes on a “halo”.

    Here is a parable:  There is a Marriage.  One day, one of the spouses started flirting with what he is not supposed to do.  Adultery happened for many years thereafter (GREC).  Until one day he got caught by some letters (Docuмents) that got leaked.  He was very upset; he lied to keep his stature.  He removed anyone who would challenge him, as well as those who reminded him that he is unfaithful.  For over 1-year, he continued in secret, while saying the opposite.  Until more letters (Docuмents) were leaked.  He was mad.  He commanded SILENCE within the family for everyone not to talk about it- or else.  He uses fear and intimidation tactics, all the while trying to have a different “appearance”.  Life continued on; with a broken family.  There is no longer trust in the marriage.  The harlot that he was committing adultery with, morphed into another being (Pope Francis), one that does not want to accept him anymore.  As well, a Resistance within the family was set up to expose his unfaithful deeds.  They were swift and decisive.  He has lost many battles to save his “appearance”.  Conferences went out from his “obedient” followers; to no avail.  With hope, “mailings and parties” will do it with distraction; has gotten some; but not the eagles.  So he hired a “branding” company to help distract the masses –good political move; bad for the marriage.  Last ditch effort –have a party- pull out the old “love letters” to the wife he has in marriage in order to swoon and gain some more time.  Not to the Eagle.  The unfaithful spouse has not retracted, nor confessed his wicked sins of adultery.  They are still there; unconfessed; like a cancerous wound.  Nothing will heal it; but a sincere conversion.  Is that day here?  Are the fancy words from the closet just a “love letter” to put lipstick on a duck?  Or, is it just a façade?  

    We will see what “the day after” will bring.  Will the act change?  Will the family members be reinstated back within the unity of the family?  Is there sincerity?  Is there honesty?  Or, is there still a heavy hand of fear and punishment?

    The Eagle will watch and pray…not to be deceived by the unfaithful spouse.

    What is done in the dark, will come out into the light…


    Offline donkath

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1517
    • Reputation: +616/-116
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 03:10:21 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Absolutely right.   Words come cheap.   Is B. Williamson and the expelled priests humbly being invited back?   Have the laity who have been refused the Sacraments received an apology?  
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."


    Offline magdalena

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2553
    • Reputation: +2032/-42
    • Gender: Female
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 05:38:37 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Thank you, Machabees.  Well stated.  We have yet to have a confession, much less sorrow and reparation.  The proof is in the pudding.



    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

    Offline Elsa Zardini

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 317
    • Reputation: +0/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 05:40:33 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • This (so interesting!) should be in the "Declaration of Bishops..." Topic. It is easier for me to have all posts in just the one Topic commenting about the subject, i.e. not to have duplicate posts. May be Matthew can do someting to transfer this. Many thanks.  

    Offline Francisco

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1150
    • Reputation: +843/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2013, 07:56:14 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Machabees

    .......What is done in the dark, will come out into the light…


    On the IA forum there is a topic titled " Excellent Article by Fr. Couture-Failed Council, SSPX India-E-Apostle Newsletter " . Why didn't Couture publish this article these past few years, especially in the last two years to reassure sceptics that the SSPX was still anti-VaticanII ? Why wait now to have it coincide with the publication of the "Declaration of bishops of Society of St.Pius X on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations"?. The Fellay clique only seems to want to hold power at all costs. It's fruits are rotten. Only stagnation these past ten years.


    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18177
    • Reputation: +8276/-692
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #5 on: June 29, 2013, 12:02:22 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .


    Quote from: Francisco
    Quote from: Machabees

    .......What is done in the dark, will come out into the light…


    On the IA forum there is a topic titled " Excellent Article by Fr. Couture-Failed Council, SSPX India-E-Apostle Newsletter " . Why didn't Couture publish this article these past few years, especially in the last two years to reassure sceptics that the SSPX was still anti-VaticanII ? Why wait now to have it coincide with the publication of the "Declaration of bishops of Society of St.Pius X on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations"?. The Fellay clique only seems to want to hold power at all costs. It's fruits are rotten. Only stagnation these past ten years.



    The motto of the Revolution is:  Two steps forward, one step back.  Repeat.


    This article and OP "page" is one step back.. Be prepared for two steps forward..


    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18177
    • Reputation: +8276/-692
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #6 on: June 29, 2013, 12:13:52 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Elsa Zardini
    This (so interesting!) should be in the "Declaration of Bishops..." Topic. It is easier for me to have all posts in just the one Topic commenting about the subject, i.e. not to have duplicate posts. May be Matthew can do someting to transfer this. Many thanks.  



    .............duplicate thread alert................. :whistleblower:




    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #7 on: June 29, 2013, 12:23:52 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Elsa Zardini
    This (so interesting!) should be in the "Declaration of Bishops..." Topic. It is easier for me to have all posts in just the one Topic commenting about the subject, i.e. not to have duplicate posts. May be Matthew can do someting to transfer this. Many thanks.  



    Agreed.Though I think very few read the posts. Fr Couture got a warm welcome in Ireland so the SSPX have moulded their sheeple well. Even when Fr  Pfluger visited, there was no 'hard' questions asked. There are exceptions but I personally feel the Irish have rolled over to a degree. Sorry to say.


    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #8 on: June 29, 2013, 12:30:34 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • One elderly woman attempted to ask Bishop Fellay a question but got the strong arm of Fr Morgan and the question was prevented from being asked. Fr Morgan acted like a thug. I am gone against Fr Morgan now. It's a disgraceful way to behave ans scupper legitimate questions. He wasn't able to strong arm a woman in England though, who managed to ask the "Great Leader" Fellay a question and make Fellay uneasy.

    Contrast with the Bishop Williamson conference, questions and answers went on for about two hours and everyone had opportunity to speak and debate.

    I'm sorry Fr M has taken to bullying elderly folk at the behest of Bishop Fellay. We won't forget that. The English tried to keep the Irish down for centuries.  I don't like Fr M acting in this manner. The Irish got rid of the Black and Tans

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #9 on: June 29, 2013, 01:00:32 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Though perhaps Fr Morgan was deliberately trying to get the  backs up of the Irish by strong arming a woman in front of the great leader or does he think people are stupid. Perhaps a joke at expense of Bishop Fellay but only a fool believes Bishop Fellay has withdrawn or renounced the doctrinal docuмent.

    Offline Francisco

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1150
    • Reputation: +843/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2013, 01:18:56 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    .


    Quote from: Francisco
    Quote from: Machabees

    .......What is done in the dark, will come out into the light…


    On the IA forum there is a topic titled " Excellent Article by Fr. Couture-Failed Council, SSPX India-E-Apostle Newsletter " . Why didn't Couture publish this article these past few years, especially in the last two years to reassure sceptics that the SSPX was still anti-VaticanII ? Why wait now to have it coincide with the publication of the "Declaration of bishops of Society of St.Pius X on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations"?. The Fellay clique only seems to want to hold power at all costs. It's fruits are rotten. Only stagnation these past ten years.



    The motto of the Revolution is:  Two steps forward, one step back.  Repeat.


    This article and OP "page" is one step back.. Be prepared for two steps forward..


    I thought that there was hope when I read the SSPX Bishops Declaration. But wiser heads had immediately spotted that Fellayite paragraph eleven. Then I saw this article by that crass Fellay crony.....Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.


    Offline clarkaim

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 295
    • Reputation: +166/-39
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #11 on: June 30, 2013, 12:26:11 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Our priest, my friend, read the letter today in lieu of a sermon.  I believe he is of Good Will and wants to believe things are back on course.  I think we all would hope to join in with that hope, I certainly do, but I'm not sure.  I will have Bishop Williamson's ear in a couple days as he's staying in my home w/ my family and I hope to discuss much with him as I trust him, in the words of a dear friend of mine "with my life"  He was referring to Bishop Fellay of course.  As a Catholic I hang my hat on that "forgiveness" thing alot.  I teach that to my children as the essence of Charity.  I want a reason to forgive and hope, But like the cliche' says "let your actions speak more than your words"  We shall see.

    Offline Francisco

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1150
    • Reputation: +843/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 04:01:53 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: John Grace
    Quote from: Elsa Zardini
    This (so interesting!) should be in the "Declaration of Bishops..." Topic. It is easier for me to have all posts in just the one Topic commenting about the subject, i.e. not to have duplicate posts. May be Matthew can do someting to transfer this. Many thanks.  



    Agreed.Though I think very few read the posts. Fr Couture got a warm welcome in Ireland so the SSPX have moulded their sheeple well. Even when Fr  Pfluger visited, there was no 'hard' questions asked. There are exceptions but I personally feel the Irish have rolled over to a degree. Sorry to say.


    John Grace, you have mentioned in previous posts that Fr Morgan is a good priest. And good he is. I just have to wonder if he is bidding his time with Fellay and company. He was the  excellent founding Superior of the SSPX Philippines Mission, making good progress, and even, due to the apostolic endeavours of his faithful whom he always encouraged, roping into Tradition the late Bishop Salvador Lazo. No other SSPX priest has achieved such a feat.

    After Schmidberger lost the 1994 elections for the Superior Generalship to Fellay, the latter began filling in leadership slots with his cronies, seemingly irrespective of merit. Couture was transferred from Ireland ( where cynics say that his main achievement was to install expensive stained glass windows at St John's ) to replace the missionary Fr Morgan in Manila. And the Asia District is still  more or less today how Fr Morgan left it all those 16 years ago.

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 07:28:46 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Francisco
    Quote from: John Grace
    Quote from: Elsa Zardini
    This (so interesting!) should be in the "Declaration of Bishops..." Topic. It is easier for me to have all posts in just the one Topic commenting about the subject, i.e. not to have duplicate posts. May be Matthew can do someting to transfer this. Many thanks.  



    Agreed.Though I think very few read the posts. Fr Couture got a warm welcome in Ireland so the SSPX have moulded their sheeple well. Even when Fr  Pfluger visited, there was no 'hard' questions asked. There are exceptions but I personally feel the Irish have rolled over to a degree. Sorry to say.


    John Grace, you have mentioned in previous posts that Fr Morgan is a good priest. And good he is. I just have to wonder if he is bidding his time with Fellay and company. He was the  excellent founding Superior of the SSPX Philippines Mission, making good progress, and even, due to the apostolic endeavours of his faithful whom he always encouraged, roping into Tradition the late Bishop Salvador Lazo. No other SSPX priest has achieved such a feat.

    After Schmidberger lost the 1994 elections for the Superior Generalship to Fellay, the latter began filling in leadership slots with his cronies, seemingly irrespective of merit. Couture was transferred from Ireland ( where cynics say that his main achievement was to install expensive stained glass windows at St John's ) to replace the missionary Fr Morgan in Manila. And the Asia District is still  more or less today how Fr Morgan left it all those 16 years ago.


    Putting on my tin foil hat and perhaps a rumour it has been said a certain District Superior in Ireland was asked by Rome not to expand the SSPX District. There is weight to this idea as when finance and property was available the certain District Superior stated the time is not right for expansion. The District never has expanded and much the same since Fr Couture left.

    In summary it has been said a deal was done not to expand.

    I now take off my tin foil hat.

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Love letter from the closet.
    « Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 07:37:14 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    Fr Couture got a warm welcome in Ireland


    This was more to do with folk being polite and good memories of him but also judging by the gasps and faces of disbelief at the Bishop Williamson conference, I had overestimated the level of awareness of the Irish to the current crisis. Some hadn't a clue. People, who admired Fr Lorans, Fr Celier and the gang are now forced to look at matters differently. Why were they not saying this years ago? A valid question but they had to maintain their façade until the death of the Archbishop. They could speak freely then. The liberals were able to act.