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Re: Loud "Active Participation - How They Emptied the Churches of Men
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2020, 12:31:45 AM »
I gave you a thumbs down because you commented on your thumbs down. I always do that.

Re: Loud "Active Participation - How They Emptied the Churches of Men
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2020, 07:31:05 AM »
Do you have evidence to support your claim that bad sermons and active participation directly caused 4% Mass attendance in France?
What man is attracted to insipid inoffensive sermons? What man is going to get up in the morning on Sunday and drive 1/2 hour to go listen to a lecture about nothing? Going to mass became irrelevant. Read about the Cure de Ars.

As far as the aloud active participation chasing away the men. The Church in the USA did not have it till the early 1960's, prior to that time church attendance was around 80%,  and after 23%, that means 70% of the people stopped going.

My evidence is empirical, the case of my greater family of over 300 people, the men stopped going, and will not go anymore for the reasons I have given in this thread. (insipid inoffensive sermons about nothing, going to mass became irrelevant, loud active participation by women, effeminacy.) Additional empirical evidence is practically all the men I have known my entire life in the USA and South America.

BY the way, I could of just asked you the same question in reverse - Do you have evidence to support your claim that bad sermons increase mass attendance? Do you have evidence that aloud active participation increased mass attendance anywhere?


Re: Loud "Active Participation - How They Emptied the Churches of Men
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2020, 10:40:33 AM »
Do you have evidence to support your claim that bad sermons and active participation directly caused 4% Mass attendance in France?


What man is attracted to insipid inoffensive sermons? What man is going to get up in the morning on Sunday and drive 1/2 hour to go listen to a lecture about nothing? Going to mass became irrelevant. Read about the Cure de Ars.

As far as the aloud active participation chasing away the men. The Church in the USA did not have it till the early 1960's, prior to that time church attendance was around 80%,  and after 23%, that means 70% of the people stopped going.

My evidence is empirical, the case of my greater family of over 300 people, the men stopped going, and will not go anymore for the reasons I have given in this thread. (insipid inoffensive sermons about nothing, going to mass became irrelevant, loud active participation by women, effeminacy.) Additional empirical evidence is practically all the men I have known my entire life in the USA and South America.

BY the way, I could of just asked you the same question in reverse - Do you have evidence to support your claim that bad sermons increase mass attendance? Do you have evidence that aloud active participation increased mass attendance anywhere?

^--- A very long way to say, "No."

Re: Loud "Active Participation - How They Emptied the Churches of Men
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2020, 10:51:51 AM »

^--- A very long way to say, "No."
A very short way to avoid debating my answer. 

So, you believe that insipid lectures attract men? You believe that the Novus Ordo aloud active participation attracts men? All the men in your greater family and all the men you know are not put off by the aloud active participation of the Novus Ordo and the insipid sermons?

Re: Loud "Active Participation - How They Emptied the Churches of Men
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2020, 11:11:11 AM »
A very short way to avoid debating my answer.

So, you believe that insipid lectures attract men? You believe that the Novus Ordo aloud active participation attracts men? All the men in your greater family and all the men you know are not put off by the aloud active participation of the Novus Ordo and the insipid sermons?

I'll respond to the above by responding to a point raised in your OP:
... No real man wants to go hear what they consider to be an inept man give a lecture (a sermon), nor to hear women screaming in their ears to where they can't even think.

I wold proffer that no "real man" would turn tail and run simply because of bad sermons and/or "women screaming in their ears."  Real men would tell those women to shut up.  In that regard, I object to how you've posited the issue as lacking any foundation whatsoever, especially in the assertion that that is why France now only has an alleged 4% Mass attendance rate.  Mind you, I'm not asserting that the Novus Ordo Mass and/or women "screaming in their ears" had nothing to do with it, but if you think that every priest (heck, even a majority of priests) prior to 1965 had a natural gift of oratory and/or the ability to put together edge-of-your-seat sermons week after week, I think you're looking back on that portion of history with rose-colored glasses.