Author Topic: Websites report Williamson to Consecrate Bishop (Read 6589 times)

Columba · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2013, 11:41:11 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Tell me... why not four Bishops, like before ?

Four was a mistake. There should have only been three.

AlligatorDicax · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2013, 03:30:17 PM »

Quote from: Ferdinand (12 Jan. 2012 8:09 p.m.)

... the rumors are from a protestant website!

It's been said that the most dedicated opponents of tobacco-smoking are people who had been heavy smokers for decades, but successfully quit their habit. If so:

We should not be surprised at all when criticism of the SSPX Resistance to Modernist Rome appears in the eccentric blog of a lay leader in a local church congregation that previously belonged to the centuries-schismatic Anglican Church, then transferred its allegiance to the Traditional Anglican Communion, then in 2011, used Ratzinger/Benedict's Apostolic Constitution "Anglicanorum coetibus" to join the Novus Ordo church
of Vatican II.

The lay leader, whose office is the uniquely Anglican "senior warden", argues with gross understatement about the issues separating SSPX-as-founded from the Novus Ordo. But hey! He led his congregation's assimilation by Modernist Rome, so of course, everyone else should surrender to assimilation, too.

Even before they officially became nominal "Roman Catholics" (1 Jan. 2012?), his congregation was welcomed: According to an article in the local daily Orlando Sentinel, its "Bishop Louis Campese of the Cathedral of the Incarnation" accompanied Bishop John Noonan of the Novus Ordo Diocese of Orlando on Good Friday 2011, leading their faithful in a circuit of temporary Stations of the Cross, arranged around a lake in a downtown park.

It may be beneficial for nonlocal readers to understand that the mainstream Anglican/Episcopalian see for Orlando was never the "Cathedral of the Incarnation" N.W. of downtown, but the Cathedral of St. Luke, across a downtown street from the Novus Ordo see at St. James Cathedral.

Matthew · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2013, 05:37:27 PM »

If +Williamson is going to consecrate another Bishop, remember that there's no law saying he can't consecrate more Bishop(s) at a later date.

As of Jan. 2013, if he's found one good candidate, and a "need" in a given part of the world, he should fill it. No need to queue up 4 such candidates/"needs" and somehow re-create the 1988 consecration ceremony. (Besides, what priest would want to be the youngest of the four, and/or the 4th priest added to the queue!)

Bishop Williamson isn't into fantasy, re-creations, re-enactments, or doing things "for show".

He's not for pretending anything.
He's not for bringing back the 1950's.
He's not for re-creating the SSPX.

He's all about discerning the signs of the times, and reacting accordingly under the virtue of Prudence.

What a wise man!

I want to be like him when I grow up. (I know that phrase sounds silly, and I'm phrasing it like that on purpose, but I'm actually serious!)

Seriously, he is someone to look up to for anyone under the age of 72.

InDominoSperavi · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2013, 01:11:49 AM »

I wrote Fr Pfeiffer to check if this rumour was true or false. Fr Pfeiffer answered : "as far as I know, it is false".

AlligatorDicax · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2013, 03:01:04 AM »

Quote from: AlligatorDicax (Jan 13, 2013 12:41 pm)

The lay leader [....] argues with gross understatement about the issues separating SSPX-as-founded from the Novus Ordo.

By which I meant, argues by using the technique of gross understatement. In combination with misstatement, e.g.:

Quote from: Christian Campbell in www.eccentricbliss.com (Jan 12, 2013)

[....] upcoming clandestine meeting of clerics who were recently expelled from the FSSPX. [....] The purpose of the secret conclave is to reorganise amongst themselves [...] their new hardline sect. [....] These priests were invited to leave the Society after the intrigue and disobedience surrounding their opposition to the Superior General of the FSSPX and his cautious willingness to engage the Roman authorities regarding the doctrinal issues which have kept-- and continue to keep-- the Society in a canonically irregular state within the Catholic Church. [....] Fellay’s mere willingness to communicate with the Holy Father and officials in the Roman Curia after the Supreme Pontiff liberated the traditional Mass [....]

Oooh! "Clandestine"! Perhaps because it's the internal business of SSPX-SO ? Closed meetings are not bad per se. Closed meetings were used to debate U.S. independence from Britain and the resulting Declaration of Independence, plus the drafting of the U.S. Constitution.

Even those traditional Catholics who have no allegiance to SSPX have to wonder how a parvenue professing a conversion to the Novus Ordo from Anglicanism, who's plainly an opponent of Bp. Williamson, would have any connections that would alert him to the bishop's plans?

It all seems fishy to me: The issues with which SSPX is struggling are visible enough to interested outsiders, and discussions can be found in abundance on the Internet. The blogging outsider seems plenty intelligent enough to comprehend them. He should've benefitted from his experience of presenting ecclesiastical issues to his own congregation, as he led it into the Novus Ordo.

In my excerpt above (according to 'fair use'), I've italicized the wording in excerpts of his writing whose cuмulative impact convinces me that his writing is an exercise in propaganda. Which raises another question: Why? Very fishy.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #20 on:** January 14, 2013, 06:55:59 AM »

The rumour of Bishop Williamson consecrating Bishop(s) in the next few weeks is false.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #21 on:** January 14, 2013, 08:09:35 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

After being at the conference in Kentucky myself, this sounds like an outlandish rumor that is quite, quite far from the truth.

But I got thumbed down for this! It HAS to be true.

Incredulous · « **Reply #22 on:** January 14, 2013, 02:37:35 PM »

Quote from: Columba

Quote from: Incredulous

Tell me... why not four Bishops, like before ?

Four was a mistake. There should have only been three.

Acknowledged...

This one was a mistake.

Against the Heresies · « **Reply #23 on:** January 14, 2013, 02:51:20 PM »

From the french forum named "Un évêque s'est levé":

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Pour l’instant, Monseigneur n’est pas prêt à sacrer un successeur, sauf si la nécessité en devient évidente et urgente. Par contre, il est disposé à ordonner les séminaristes ou diacres qui voudraient fuir la tendance pro ralliement de la Fraternité. Il est aussi disponible pour les confirmations mais cela dépend où [il n’a pas la possibilité de couvrir le monde entier et il n’a pas encore de résidence stable.

(Source)

Google translation:

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For now, Bishop is not ready to anoint a successor, unless the need becomes obvious and urgent. By cons, it is willing to ordain seminarians and deacons who want to escape the trend pro rallying fraternity. It is also available for confirmations but it depends where [it was not able to cover the world and it has not yet stable residence.

sspxbvm · « **Reply #24 on:** January 15, 2013, 01:38:18 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: Columba
Quote from: Incredulous

Tell me... why not four Bishops, like before ?

Four was a mistake. There should have only been three.

Acknowledged...

This one was a mistake.

That picture--with Father Schmidberger looking over at B. Fellay....as if to make sure it is done right for the sake of their goal...that is very eerie

Pablo · « **Reply #25 on:** January 15, 2013, 11:23:57 PM »

....as if to make sure it is done right for the sake of their goal...that is very eerie..."

Maybe he is just looking at the goings on, as any proud Father would.

When you are at something like this you walk in a piece of Heaven.

Pretty heddy.

*

Geremia · « **Reply #26 on:** January 16, 2013, 11:24:11 AM »

Quote from: Against the Heresies

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For now, Bishop is not ready to anoint a successor, unless the need becomes obvious and urgent. By cons, it is willing to ordain seminarians and deacons who want to escape the trend pro rallying fraternity. It is also available for confirmations but it depends where [it was not able to cover the world and it has not yet stable residence.

Does he not think the need is "obvious and urgent"?

Incredulous · « **Reply #27 on:** January 16, 2013, 12:38:47 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

Quote from: Against the Heresies
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For now, Bishop is not ready to anoint a successor, unless the need becomes obvious and urgent. By cons, it is willing to ordain seminarians and deacons who want to escape the trend pro rallying fraternity. It is also available for confirmations but it depends where [it was not able to cover the world and it has not yet stable residence.
Does he not think the need is "obvious and urgent"?

IMHO... its very obvious and more urgent than anyone could ever imagine.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #28 on:** January 16, 2013, 12:53:01 PM »

I sure hope he does.

The Catholic world needs Catholic Bishops.

drivocek · « **Reply #29 on:** January 16, 2013, 02:17:41 PM »

Candidate for episcopcy: Fr. Pfeiffer?