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Nishant · « **on:** November 30, 2014, 08:47:53 AM »

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Eleison Comments
by His Excellency Richard Williamson
Current Issue
Living Popes
November 29, 2014

The Church needs living Popes, however bad.
Kill off the Church they won’t, however mad.

On January 29, 1949, Pope Pius XII made the following remarks about the importance of the Pope: If ever one day – speaking purely hypothetically – material Rome were to collapse; if ever this Vatican basilica, symbol of the one and only victorious Catholic Church, were to bury beneath its ruins the historic treasures and sacred tombs which it encloses, even then the Church would be in no way demolished or split. Christ’s promise to Peter would still hold true, the Papacy would last for ever, like the Church, one and indestructible, being founded on the Pope then living.”

Since these words are classic Church doctrine (only the underlining has been added), resting as they do on Our Lord’s own words (Mt. XVI, 16–18), then it is small wonder if, ever since 1962 when the living Popes became Conciliar, millions upon millions of Catholics have been driven to becoming likewise Conciliar and liberal. The only way out of the problem that sedevacantists can see is to deny that the Conciliar Popes have been Popes at all, which can seem to be common sense, but to most Catholics it seems even more to be common sense that the Church designed by God to rest upon the living Pope cannot have existed for the last half century (1962–2014) without one.

It is easy to see how the decline of Christian civilisation since the height of the Middle Ages has led to the present corruption of the living Popes. It is easy to see how God can have permitted this appalling corruption to punish that appalling decline. What is less easy to see is how the Church can still live when the living Popes on whom it is founded are convinced that liberalism, war on God, is Catholic. In Our Lord’s own words, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit and an evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit (Mt. VII, 18).

But a tree half good, half bad, can produce fruits half good, half bad. Now taken as a whole, a mixture of good and bad is bad, but that does not mean that taken part by part, the mixture’s good parts are as bad as its bad parts. Cancer in the liver will kill me, but that does not mean that I have cancer in the lungs. Now no living churchman, any more than any man alive, is entirely good or entirely bad. We are all a fluctuating mixture until the day we die. So can there ever have been a living Pope whose fruits were entirely evil? The answer can only be, no. In which case the Catholic Church can have half-lived for the last 50 years on the half-good fruits of the Conciliar Popes, with a half-life permitted by God to purify his Church, but which he would never permit to go so far as to kill his Church.

Thus for example Paul VI wept for the lack of vocations. Benedict XVI hankered after Tradition. Even Pope Francis surely means to bring men to God when he drags God down to men. So, Conciliar Popes are dreadfully mistaken in their ideas, fatally ambiguous in the Faith where they need to be absolutely unambiguous. The Church has been and is dying beneath them, but whatever parts in them have still been good have enabled the Church to continue, and they have been needed as living heads to continue the body of the living Church, as Pius XII said. Then let us not fear that they will be allowed to kill off the Church, but let us for our part fight their liberalism tooth and nail and pray for their return to Catholic sanity, because we do need them for the life of our Church.

Kyrie eleison.

Ferdinand · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2014, 09:55:13 AM »

For decades many in tradition have categorized him as being part of the "False-Resistance" (now in his "exile" false-resistance to the false-resistance).

He claims as much with his continued ridiculous "arguments" and his fealty to his "Cardboard Popes".

Ask yourselves again (and again), why he won't consecrate another and wishes no real organization!

Ferdinand · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2014, 10:36:21 AM »

Quote from: Lepanto Again

More hogwash! On The contrary: It is easy to see how Popes, as close as their office brings them to Jesus Christ, are for the most part, holy men.

Paul VI (the "weeper" according to Williamson) : gαy
Benedict XVI: A child sacrificing demon
Francis I: Denies the Divinity of Christ

He dares to call upon those three men?

Satan knows his time is very short. This is why the mask continues to come off. We have a chioce to make here! Truth or error?

:applause:
More hogwash from the Lyin' of Wimbledon?

Green Scapular · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2014, 11:29:24 AM »

Quote from: Lepanto Again

Paul VI (the "weeper" according to Williamson) : gαy
Benedict XVI: A child sacrificing demon
Francis I: Denies the Divinity of Christ

You should be banned for that.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2014, 11:31:11 AM »

Quote from: Ferdinand

More hogwash from the Lyin' of Wimbledon?

And you, too.

Adolphus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2014, 12:01:53 PM »

«Thus for example Paul VI wept for the lack of vocations. Benedict XVI hankered after Tradition. Even Pope Francis surely means to bring men to God when he drags God down to men.»

Paul VI wept for the lack of vocations? His council and the way he applied it were the cause of such lack of vocations. Has H.E. forgotten how many religious abandoned their vocation because of the council?

Benedict XVI hankered after Tradition? In which manner? By his motu proprio Summorum pontificuм, with which he humiliated the Holy Mass? Surely H.E. hasn't seen all the damage BXVI did to the Church.

Francis surely means to bring men to God? How could H.E. be so sure? When he intends to drag God dawn to men he means to bring some god (not the Catholic God, in which he does not believe) to men, not the other way around.

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2014, 12:07:41 PM »

I honestly don't understand what the heck H.E. is doing with this EC.

Where does he come up with a tree half good, half bad, which produce fruits half good, half bad? I never heard that one before.

hugeman · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2014, 12:09:49 PM »

"Pope Francis(sic) surely means to bring men to God(sic)"?
To what god is Bergoglio intending to bring men? To the god of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity?
To the god of atheism? To the god of the moslem? To the god of the
Christ-haters? To the anti-Catholic god?

There is only One True God. Our God ordered us to tear down the altars to all the false
Gods. Since our Father went up into the mountain to receive the Tablets from our God, we have been playing around with false gods. The men had gathered all their gold and had it fashioned into a god, and Our Father smashed it to pieces!

Ratzinger placed, as did Wyjtola before him, images of all their false gods upon the altar at Assissi, and the Archbishop lamented that we are very close to saying that he is no pope! Bishop de Castro Mayer was more forceful and direct. He wasn't trying for twenty five years to make a deal with heathen Rome. Bp. de Castro Mayer, at the consecration of the four bishops (including H. E. Williamson), at which he was both witness and co-consecrator, proclaimed:
"We do not have a pope--there is no pope!"

This brave bishop, who was running the only diocese in the entire world according to the eternal Catholic principles, saw clearly that Rome had lost the faith-- and that Wyjtola was not the pope of the Roman Catholic Church of Jesus Christ (everyone, of course, knew he was the pope of the Conciliar Church of Vatican II). And Ratzinger? Archbishop Lefebvre battled him and his crony periti at the Council, and clearly declared that "he is not Catholic."

The brain-washing and programming of Fellay, Lorans, Dici, the Cor Unums, and their mouthpieces has been quite successful. Even though the SSPX has seemingly mortally wounded itself, all its "resisters" have bought the same argument-- they only debate the terms and the timing of crawling back into the harlots bed.

And this is a very important point. God commanded that we have NO false gods before us (part of our duty to God); He also commanded that we not covet our neighbors wife ( part of our duties to our fellow man). These commandments are equal in import and power. They are two sides of the same coin. Like man, "male and female He created them"-- you can't have one without the other.

To seek refuge in the temple of a false God, is the same as to seek comfort in thr bed of the harlot. Every single one of her accusers had slowly slinked away. One minute they wanted to stone her to death; the next minute they tried to hide their face from their sins. "Who accuseth you," asked the Lord. "No one man, Master." "and neither do I --go, and sin no more!"

The men were chasing the harlot; they were following false gods. That is the re-enactment today going on in the SSPX. When you are chasing the harlot; when you are going after false gods, of course you speech cannot be "Yeah, Yeah and No, No" -- everything has to be carefully crafted so your "wife"(the Catholic faithful) never realizes what you're up to. So, you come up with crazy stories, like:
"He freed the Mass", "He lifted the excommunications". "He's really traditional", "They accept us as we are", "Only Fellay has the grace to decide these things". "He retracted the AFD(in some basement in a chapel in Ireland)", "the novus ordo mass brings Jesus Christ down on the altar", and "Pope Francis wants to bring man to god."

If these popes , these past forty years, have truly been the Vicars of Our Lord Jesus Christ, how dare we, for even one minute, contemplate resisting them and disobeying ALL their orders snd commands. If Jesus Christ is truly represented by the Jєω-loving, buddhist-loving, moslem- loving, atheist-loving "popes" of the Conciliar Church, then the Archbishop was dead wrong, and is properly consigned to Eternal Fire, where all excommunicated must go!

Rather, it is the leaders of the SSPX, and figures of the so called resistance, who are earning for themselves the wrath of Almighty God, because they are leading souls astray, and away from the True Church.

Adolphus · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2014, 12:14:27 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

I honestly don't understand what the heck H.E. is doing with this EC.

Where does he come up with a tree half good, half bad, which produce fruits half good, half bad? I never heard that one before.

This is a new analogy. In the past, H.E. had tried to prove the conciliar popes were/are simultaneously popes of two churches with the analogy of an apple half fresh, half rotten.

Ferdinand · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2014, 02:52:53 PM »

Quote from: Adolphus

Quote from: Stubborn
I honestly don't understand what the heck H.E. is doing with this EC.

Where does he come up with a tree half good, half bad, which produce fruits half good, half bad? I never heard that one before.

This is a new analogy. In the past, H.E. had tried to prove the conciliar popes were/are simultaneously popes of two churches with the analogy of an apple half fresh, half rotten.

This disanalogy is a variation on a bad theme... once again it doesn't pass the Catholic sniff test.

hugeman · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2014, 02:56:20 PM »

Just in case we do not understand the full meaning of the words we use, let's impress them into our mind with some vivid images. Remember, when Archbishop Lefebvre was blasting those who had taken over the Church, He termed them conciliarists-- a Counciliar Church, with new sacraments, new worship-- not the Catholic Church. To emphasize, he said " these are not just words we throw through the air" as he pointed to those at Rome. " We did not ask for this, we did not make this, we do not make this up!"

Pope Francis prays at the Blue Mosque in Istanbul

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Francis at the Blue Mosque...

“Silent Adoration”

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Bergoglio is right now visiting Istanbul, Turkey, as Bp Williamson is reporting that Bergoglio is wanting to bring men to God. In his visit to Istanbul, he prays with those who hate God, those who hate Jesus Christ, and , following Ratzinger and Wyjtola, he (Bergoglio) asks the muslim leader to pray for him!! This is all conducted in the leading Mosque of the religion-- the religion for which we thank the Blessed Virgin for her assistance in the battles against them.

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After the prayer, Francis said to the Muslim leader, “I also want to ask you to pray for me” (source).

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hollingsworth · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2014, 04:01:34 PM »

hugeman:

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If these popes , these past forty years, have truly been the Vicars of Our Lord Jesus Christ, how dare we, for even one minute, contemplate resisting them and disobeying ALL their orders snd commands. If Jesus Christ is truly represented by the Jєω-loving, buddhist-loving, moslem- loving, atheist-loving "popes" of the Conciliar Church, then the Archbishop was dead wrong, and is properly consigned to Eternal Fire, where all excommunicated must go!

Rather, it is the leaders of the SSPX, and figures of the so called resistance, who are earning for themselves the wrath of Almighty God, because they are leading souls astray, and away from the True Church.

In summary of most of the remarks made on this thread, I would say that the general consensus here results in a practically unanimous conclusion that the Catholic Church is dead; it no longer exists; it has virtually vanished from the face of the earth. The conciliar popes are so besotted with heresy and error that they can not possibly have been real popes. The worst of them is currently reigning. (That ends right there the church built upon the rock Peter. We really need go no further) But some of you do. Those who seek some kind of refuge from this conciliar madness are now being told that there really is none. The Novus Ordo has always been totally unacceptable. The SSPX, once an acceptable alternative for many, is gone. The "resistance" priests have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. A number of you stand in doubt of the deceased Archbishop. The only living bishop, who for many of us represents at least a glimmer of hope, is himself now on the hot seat. He too has been all but tossed upon the trash heap. A number of you brazenly reject him, or at the very least, question every word which proceeds from his mouth. Good luck! For you're telling me, if I hear you correctly, that we're no longer dealing with a Conciliar church, whose errors, though they are legion, is, nevertheless, a visible, practical entity on some some level. No! Now were talking about a Church which isn't, a church which has totally dissolved in a figurative mushroom of destruction. We are now Catholics without a Catholic Church.

Adolphus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2014, 04:47:12 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

In summary of most of the remarks made on this thread, I would say that the general consensus here results in a practically unanimous conclusion that the Catholic Church is dead; it no longer exists; it has virtually vanished from the face of the earth. The conciliar popes are so besotted with heresy and error that they can not possibly have been real popes. The worst of them is currently reigning. (That ends right there the church built upon the rock Peter. We really need go no further) But some of you do. Those who seek some kind of refuge from this conciliar madness are now being told that there really is none. The Novus Ordo has always been totally unacceptable. The SSPX, once an acceptable alternative for many, is gone. The "resistance" priests have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. A number of you stand in doubt of the deceased Archbishop. The only living bishop, who for many of us represents at least a glimmer of hope, is himself now on the hot seat. He too has been all but tossed upon the trash heap. A number of you brazenly reject him, or at the very least, question every word which proceeds from his mouth. Good luck! For you're telling me, if I hear you correctly, that we're no longer dealing with a Conciliar church, whose errors, though they are legion, is, nevertheless, a visible, practical entity on some some level. No! Now were talking about a Church which isn't, a church which has totally dissolved in a figurative mushroom of destruction. We are now Catholics without a Catholic Church.

Quote from: Mk 14:27

And Jesus saith to them: "You will all be scandalized in my regard this night; for it is written, I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be dispersed."

Quote from: Lk 12:32

Fear not, little flock, for it hath pleased your Father to give you a kingdom.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2014, 05:07:27 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

hugeman:
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If these popes , these past forty years, have truly been the Vicars of Our Lord Jesus Christ, how dare we, for even one minute, contemplate resisting them and disobeying ALL their orders snd commands. If Jesus Christ is truly represented by the Jєω-loving, buddhist-loving, moslem- loving, atheist-loving "popes" of the Conciliar Church, then the Archbishop was dead wrong, and is properly consigned to Eternal Fire, where all excommunicated must go!

Rather, it is the leaders of the SSPX, and figures of the so called resistance, who are earning for themselves the wrath of Almighty God, because they are leading souls astray, and away from the True Church.

In summary of most of the remarks made on this thread, I would say that the general consensus here results in a practically unanimous conclusion that the Catholic Church is dead; it no longer exists; it has virtually vanished from the face of the earth. The conciliar popes are so besotted with heresy and error that they can not possibly have been real popes. The worst of them is currently reigning. (That ends right there the church built upon the rock Peter. We really need go no further) But some of you do. Those who seek some kind of refuge from this conciliar madness are now being told that there really is none. The Novus Ordo has always been totally unacceptable. The SSPX, once an acceptable alternative for many, is gone. The "resistance" priests have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. A number of you stand in doubt of the deceased Archbishop. The only living bishop, who for many of us represents at least a glimmer of hope, is himself now on the hot seat. He too has been all but tossed upon the trash heap. A number of you brazenly reject him, or at the very least, question every word which proceeds from his mouth. Good luck! For you're telling me, if I hear you correctly, that we're no longer dealing with a Conciliar church, whose errors, though they are legion, is, nevertheless, a visible, practical entity on some some level. No! Now were talking about a Church which isn't, a church which has totally dissolved in a figurative mushroom of destruction. We are now Catholics without a Catholic Church.

For myself I will just rely on this letter from Saint Athanasius

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Letter of Saint Athanasius to His Flock (4th Century A.D.)

"May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises --- but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle --- the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith?
True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...

You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis.

No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray.

Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."

(Coll. selecta SS. Eccl. Patrum, Caillau and Guillou, Vol. 32, pp. 411-412)

stgobnait · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2014, 05:24:32 PM »

Consoling reading, MyrnaM, because we are surely in a sad place.