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Offline St.Patrick

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Live Resistance Masses for those at home
« on: March 20, 2020, 03:20:40 PM »
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    • https://www.pscp.tv/abbematthieusalenave

    Father Salenave, french priest of the Resistance is live streaming his daily Masses. They start at 6.30 French time, which is 12.30 pm for Americans living on the east coast.
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    Offline Kazimierz

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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #1 on: March 20, 2020, 04:57:39 PM »
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    • Unfortunately Father does not read the Epistle and Gospel in Latin, but takes his French missal and recites the above in French. That has to be a liturgical faux pas.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #2 on: March 20, 2020, 05:06:46 PM »
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    • Thanks for making this available.  Do you mean that the priest does not do the Epistle and Gospel in Latin at all?  Is there anything in the rubrics that could possibly give him any "wiggle room" on this?
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #3 on: March 21, 2020, 01:22:59 AM »
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    • the same is done at Saint Nicolas in Paris. Link here, around the 9:30 mark:

    I've seen it before, it is a French liturgical thing. Very strange.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #4 on: March 21, 2020, 08:56:26 PM »
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    • I think that not reading the Epistle and Gospel in Latin but only in the local language was introduced in the 1964 Missal which replaced the 1962 rite and was itself replaced by the 1966 rite. Constant change during the 60s was preparing the faithful for the new Mass.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #5 on: March 28, 2020, 04:52:00 PM »
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    • Mass is at 9.30 Irish/English time tomorrow (sunday) at the link above.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #6 on: March 28, 2020, 04:55:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: St.Patrick on March 28, 2020, 04:52:00 PM
    Mass is at 9.30 Irish/English time tomorrow (sunday) at the link above.
    Hopefully evening, to not have us Western Hemisphere folk be up at 3 or 4am...
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #7 on: March 28, 2020, 05:12:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Kazimierz on March 20, 2020, 04:57:39 PM
    Unfortunately Father does not read the Epistle and Gospel in Latin, but takes his French missal and recites the above in French. That has to be a liturgical faux pas.
    This seems to be a French and German TLM custom which took long a while before the NOM. Like the Dialogue Mass taking place first in the 1920s, I wonder if it predates 1964. The English FSSP has the Epistle and Gospel in Latin and the its Euro churches with vernacular readings. Anyhow, the Mass of Ages has an enviable presence in France. While it should all be Latin except for read translations before the sermon, it is local custom, and small local customs were always part of our liturgical heritage.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #8 on: March 28, 2020, 05:20:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Prayerful on March 28, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
    This seems to be a French and German TLM custom which took long a while before the NOM. Like the Dialogue Mass taking place first in the 1920s, I wonder if it predates 1964. The English FSSP has the Epistle and Gospel in Latin and the its Euro churches with vernacular readings. Anyhow, the Mass of Ages has an enviable presence in France. While it should all be Latin except for read translations before the sermon, it is local custom, and small local customs were always part of our liturgical heritage.
    Seems a little strange, but if the Church would have traditionally accepted such a practice, there is probably nothing "wrong" with it.  Occasionally, the 1962 diocesan I attend (when I can) omits the reading of the Epistle and Gospel in English, going straight from the Latin Gospel to the homily.  This wouldn't be my preference, but I can live with it.  Many people who attend the TLM frequently have hand missals anyway.

    Is this livestreamed Mass celebrated una cuм, or not?  Does anybody know?
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #9 on: March 28, 2020, 08:36:06 PM »
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    JezusDeKoning says: Hopefully evening, to not have us Western Hemisphere folk be up at 3 or 4am...


    Oh, such a tough burden for you and others. Christ was beaten and mocked, and carried a heavy cross a long distance, and then He got nailed to it, and He get mocked more while laboring to breath on the cross, but you have to get up at 3 or 4 in the morning. You have it so tough.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #10 on: March 28, 2020, 11:39:56 PM »
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    • I just opened this site and selected the Mass from last Sunday, and there is a steady stream of unprintable blasphemies in the right sidebar comment section, evil people sending these messages one right after another.  I read just enough French to know that they are vile and filthy messages.  Be warned if you choose to stream this Mass.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #11 on: March 29, 2020, 04:11:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on March 28, 2020, 04:55:39 PM
    Hopefully evening, to not have us Western Hemisphere folk be up at 3 or 4am...

    Afraid it is 3am.

    Talk to Bishop Z and maybe he will do a livestream at a better time.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #12 on: March 29, 2020, 04:15:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on March 28, 2020, 11:39:56 PM
    I just opened this site and selected the Mass from last Sunday, and there is a steady stream of unprintable blasphemies in the right sidebar comment section, evil people sending these messages one right after another.  I read just enough French to know that they are vile and filthy messages.  Be warned if you choose to stream this Mass.

    All livestreams are like that.

    Father probably doesn't realise he can turn them off. Or perhaps he even can't.

    Whatever the case you can hide them so you and your children don't have to see them.

    Try to be a little more appreciative of the fact that you can even get to see Mass. We are in total shutdown now here in Ireland and most of europe.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #13 on: March 29, 2020, 06:21:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: St.Patrick on March 29, 2020, 04:15:10 AM
    All livestreams are like that.

    Father probably doesn't realise he can turn them off. Or perhaps he even can't.

    Whatever the case you can hide them so you and your children don't have to see them.

    Try to be a little more appreciative of the fact that you can even get to see Mass. We are in total shutdown now here in Ireland and most of europe.
    Who said I wasn't appreciative?  I most certainly am. 

    I was just shocked to see such foulness.  The typical French anti-clericalism comes shining through.  Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoons that are so blasphemous, they would cause riots in the US, if Americans (other than ghetto dwellers) were into rioting and manifs.
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    Re: Live Resistance Masses for those at home
    « Reply #14 on: March 29, 2020, 06:35:03 AM »
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    • No blasphames here:

    http://www.miqparish.org/livestreaming-mass/

    Multiple Masses will be streamed.

    Rosary starts at 6:30 and 8:30am PDT before Mass. This broadcast includes both Masses.
    Scheduled to broadcast 3/29/20 9:20am - 3/29/20 1:15pm
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