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Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
« on: August 11, 2014, 09:10:54 AM »
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  • A Traditional Catholic seminarian wrote about his experiences at a Traditional seminary from 2000 - 2006, comparing them to the movie "Platoon".

    The work was written anonymously, and he has left out ALL names. He just wants to tell his story.

    UPDATE 6/9/17: Over the months, I have met several people in person who were somewhat confused about who wrote this account. It was NOT me (Matthew Mc______ of CathInfo). If you knew anything about me, you'd know that I'm not the author of this story. I am not a teacher in any school (nor have I ever been).

    P.S. One more thing -- you *don't* need to watch the movie Platoon to appreciate or get something from this story. The movie doesn't have a mere sprinkling of rough language -- they use gutter language like sailors or soldiers. Unless you're used to watching movies and/or language like that, I would advise AGAINST watching the movie.


    http://bravsindex.com/nihilobstat/platoon-memoirs-of-an-ex-seminarian-part-i.html

    “Platoon”: Story of a Seminarian - Prologue

    UPDATE 2/16/24:
    The author, M.Z., asked me "as a friend" to remove his story from the public forum.
    I wasn't wild about the idea, but I don't see any other option.
    I'm obviously keeping the story in a text file for myself, in case I ever need to personally refer to it.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 09:20:57 AM »
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    If he had become a priest I would have dreaded his sermons.  Too Long.

    You know, the works of Shakespeare would have taken up much *more* space. So what? The question is: how well-written are they, how much substance is there, etc.

    And you, ggreg, are not qualified to talk about those things since you JUST found this post. All you can do 5 minutes after I posted this is scroll down with your mouse, and see how long it's going to take to read it all. Sorry. His story happens to take place over 7 or more years, and a LOT happened during that time.

    He is telling his story. Trust me, it's pure substance. I read the whole thing and it was very easy to read.

    P.S. You'll forgive me for removing your post, because it was OBVIOUSLY SHOT FROM THE HIP without having read so much as a few paragraphs. Please read the story first, THEN discuss. It's the only honest and decent way to act.
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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 11:05:37 AM »
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    I don't think there was anything malicious with gregg's original post; I certainly chuckled. After work I'll give this a read.

    Sounds good. You'll be glad you did.

    And yes, I understand ggreg was trying to be funny. I guess I figured that after what happened to this man, it wasn't very nice to poke fun like that. But, then again, I have already read the story, and you two have not.

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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 11:31:18 AM »
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  • I'm halfway through, taking a break because of its intensity and honesty. (If I watched Platoon I would be taking breaks, also).  Dang, the idea of studying Latin in French without knowing French, in France with the French... :cry:

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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 12:13:19 PM »
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  • i read straight through.... holding my breath at times.... :pray:


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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #5 on: August 11, 2014, 01:18:37 PM »
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  • I just read this through. A very compelling read, thank you for posting this.

    Much food for thought in this mans story.
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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 02:53:09 PM »
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  • I have to admit, these behind the scenes glimpses into how the 'traditional sausage' is made can be a bit disillusioning to read.  I am beginning to see why so many of the older, veteran trads seem somewhat jaded and cynical.

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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #7 on: August 11, 2014, 03:23:47 PM »
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    The General Superior came through on a tour and visited the priory. Nine priests gathered and welcomed him, including the district superior of that country. They took him to a resort for a meal. I remember the food was so expensive it made me physically ill to eat it. During dinner, the General Superior attempted to bring up a point of doctrine to discuss. The senior priest responded with, “We don’t want to talk about that – we want to talk about golf!” And the priests all laughed. I was truly scandalized. The bishop took it well, and sat back and let them talk. Years later, this superior general would fall under heavy criticism from some quarters for putting his “yes men” in positions of authority throughout the order. I always remember that moment at the table and imagine what it must have been like for him if every visit as he trudged over the world was like that. “Yes men” or not, he must have seen who was serious and who was not. Out of the 9 priests in attendance at that dinner, none of them were ever given major posts, even to this day.



    I thought this particular anecdote interesting...

    These various anecdotes from 'behind the scenes' do make me wonder, the Society of Saint Pius X seems to me to be more political/bubblelicious than I (or Rah! Rah! cheerleaders) would like to admit. Alas.
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    Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
    « Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 03:57:18 PM »
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  • I can't say my favorite parts, but the parts I'd like to draw attention to FIRST are:

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    First year was a blur. Sometimes, seminarians left. Many times, there was no explanation as to why, and really, they didn't owe us one. But France was burned into my mind: they had struck me down without warning. In France, I had been the first to leave. Here, I was seeing better men than myself leaving and I couldn't understand why. Nor why I was still here and they weren't. A poor parallel would be to combat soldiers who come through a battle while some others don't and there's nothing but the mystery of the bullet's path to answer why. But vocations aren't mere chance. So I asked my spiritual director how one knew whether someone had a vocation or not. His response was vague: he was waiting. For what, he wouldn't say. And I became paranoid. It seemed to me just a matter of time until the carpet would be pulled out from under me. For every seminarian that left without a why, I became ever more fearful my turn was coming. The attrition rate for vocations when I was there was around 75% to 90% depending on the class...that's huge, and when no one can articulate how you become part of the 10% to 25%, you worry. This was a deadly worm in my mind: my trust for authority figures would never fully recover after France. Investing everything you are in something that you believe can explode at any moment is a horrible mental anguish, like hugging a bomb to your chest and running, hoping you'll finish the race before it goes off. I would live like this for the next four years, my mind raw with worry and expectations of betrayal.

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    Year three. There was a new rector. I thought nothing of it at the time as the shuffling of personnel was normal and the previous rector had had an unusually long run at the seminary. The new rector was not a bishop, and he brought in a new regime and new ideas on priestly formation.  

    I was now head of the Guest Department, a great privilege as I got to meet and talk with everyone who came through the seminary. However, there was a dark flip side: when a seminarian left, he did it through me. I had to arrange transportation. It was soul-crushing work. Too many times I’d open my door and be met with those eyes, those lost, defeated eyes. There were a few who left voluntarily, but even these rarely expressed or displayed any peace at their decision. Too many were just told abruptly…they had had no warning, no slow build of problems or cautions. You couldn’t prepare it seemed: the axe had just fallen and they didn’t understand why. And I felt it keenly, because I had been exactly where these men were – I was through the looking glass on this one. They deserved better: you have to give a man something to fix, or he’ll just dig into himself.

    In that year, only one seminarian left with ease, with true peace. The rest specifically asked that I drive them out when the community was at prayer. They didn’t want to be seen. They didn’t want to say good bye. Some didn’t even tell anyone (but me) they were leaving. Those that did make it public had this aura suddenly around them, like a leper. It was heart-breaking. I began to have little anxiety attacks when someone knocked at my door – who was it this time? Whose eyes was it going to be? Why was leaving the seminary such a drama? If it wasn’t your vocation, there should have been such relief and rejoicing – you could go on with your life – you had put in the time! What friends you had made! You had been willing to make the sacrifice but were meant for something else! But I didn’t see this. Most were in shock. The car rides were silent. When was it going to be me again?

    I knew the new rector. I knew that he would take the first year and watch, get the pulse of the place. I saw seminarians cozy up to him and knew they were cooked. He didn’t rebuke them, he let them hang themselves. Miserable. I gave warnings, but no one heeded them. Maybe they had to go. We all did in the end.

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    But the most horrible thing [the vice-rector] ever did was start telling me who was going to get kicked from the seminary. I don’t know why he did that. That was hell. I knew before the seminarian knew. I would leave his room and I’d see that seminarian, laughing and talking and doing his duties. He didn’t know it was over. Once I was told 3 months in advance of the actual culling of someone. There was no reason why. That ex-seminarian, to this day, doesn’t even know why he was asked to leave. He was just “unsuitable”. I knew the knock was coming. Oh, the rage, the helplessness. These were not humanities or first years he was name dropping, these were men who’d already put in 3 or 4 years, men who were committed. How can a vocation not be discerned after 2 years? That is a massive disservice. Sure, there might be exceptions, but this was becoming the norm. Their dreams were dead all over their face. Their efforts destroyed, reasons mysterious, and I felt party to it by my silence. But what was I to do? Tell them? What would that solve? I felt powerless.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 11, 2014, 04:52:56 PM »
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  • Very funny.  A LOT of this crosses over with my experiences at Winona.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 04:59:18 PM »
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  • They really should have let the poor guy receive the cassock.  There's absolutely no excuse for their informing him after his parents were already on the way there.  That's just a downright lack of charity.  What's the big deal?  It's not even a Minor Order, just a little ceremony.  If he turned out not to have a vocation to the priesthood, then big deal, he would be about one of 10,000 who received clerical tonsure without subsequently being ordained to the priesthood.  Stuff like this really makes me wonder about the spirit behind Traditional Catholicism.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 11, 2014, 05:00:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Very funny.  A LOT of this crosses over with my experiences at Winona.

    I was at Winona several years before the author, but I too recognize a lot of what he talks about. It was certainly a disillusioning experience.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 11, 2014, 05:10:01 PM »
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  • When you come down from the mountain, you have to "hit the brakes" at some point, and find a new level of spirituality you can maintain as a layman in the world.

    I've heard about ex-seminarians falling all the way down to losing the Faith after their seminary experience. I always wondered incredulously about that -- until I read this. This level of disillusionment would do it.

    Remember, these men have already given up on "Novus Ordo land", and consider that THIS is the anti-Modernist resistance (pardon the term -- I'm applying it to the SSPX in this case), where the good guys are. Once you are forced to give up on those "good guys", then what? Where does that leave you?

    It's very dangerous for a young, idealistic man to come face-to-face with the Church's frail human element. It is always a Faith-testing experience. How each man fares depends on many factors.


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    « Reply #13 on: August 11, 2014, 05:13:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    They really should have let the poor guy receive the cassock.  There's absolutely no excuse for their informing him after his parents were already on the way there.  That's just a downright lack of charity.  What's the big deal?  It's not even a Minor Order, just a little ceremony.  If he turned out not to have a vocation to the priesthood, then big deal, he would be about one of 10,000 who received clerical tonsure without subsequently being ordained to the priesthood.  Stuff like this really makes me wonder about the spirit behind Traditional Catholicism.



    There do seem to be many of these reports about the SSPX seminary(ies) and with a common theme.  I for one do not believe this to be a case of merely sour grapes, to mix metaphors, there is simply too much smoke here for there not to be any fire.  It does give me a lot of pause, just what the heck is going on in the Society ?

    Just shut up and pray, pay and obey ?
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    « Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 05:36:15 PM »
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  • Powerful stuff ...