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Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2014, 07:30:47 PM »
For me it was like going back 25 years and reliving the same events I witnessed and experienced reading this piece. I had to read every single word to fully understand the agony of this fellow.

One observation, however, did he not hear the infamous +W welcoming talk on the 1st Saturday night after dinner when he would quote Truman about "heat" and "kitchen" and how the "seminary" would be a "pressure cooker" ? He gave that intro every year as I recall and boy he wasn't kidding !

It wasn't difficult to guess the names but then I could have substituted different names from an earlier generation and the story would have been the same as Ladislaus and I both witnessed and to which he alludes. I often wondered what happened to so many good men - pure tragedy !


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Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2014, 09:13:52 PM »
Quote from: Tiffany
Quote from: Kazimierz
A telling tale, and an interesting analogy. I knew the author and his brother, and their entire family, during my "tour of duty" at OLMC New Hamburg. I didnt know how bad though the seminary experience was in reality.


Being an avid historian of wars and conflicts, having read and watched almost everything concerning the Vietnam War (perhaps a bit odd for a Canadian but I am very much interested as well in the War between the States) I trust seminary was not anywhere as bad as serving a tour in the Nam. Nonetheless it makes for an analogy/metaphor that is worth exploring.


The author needs to read Digger Dogface Brownjob Grunt and see if he still feels his experiences compare with a Vietnam era infantry soldier, jumping out of a helicopter 8 ft from the ground with 70 lbs on your back to crawl through a jungle with leeches on you, not enough water in a million degrees, or during monsoon season with your feet always wet, picking up the pieces of your battle buddies and putting them in a plastic bag, shooting old people and children, having your testicles and limbs blown off your body, and multiply this a year of duty under threat of imprisonment doesn't compare to liberal seminary.


You're the first person to lambast him for using the Vietnam analogy. Kazimierz went about as far as one could reasonably go: "it's a bit weird, but I get it".

It was an analogy. You know what that is, right?

He is by no means saying that his experience was as harrowing as living through fighting the Vietnam War. He was drawing certain parallels, as seen in a particular movie at that.

He said his seminary experience was like Platoon, not like the Vietnam War. There is a difference.

And if you actually READ the work, rather than just the comments that followed it, you'd know what a great job he did of fleshing out that analogy.

Once again, people are quick to slam a work when they haven't produced anything better themselves.

I'd love to see Tiffany write a long, heartfelt story about a crucible she went through, and then post it online. I'm sure we could find much more fault in it than she found above.



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Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2014, 09:25:38 PM »
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
And then there are our Missionary priests and Catholic laity in communist China who were beaten, tortured and some martyred.

Christians today are being persecuted and martyred.


So what?

You're right, he should stop his whining.  :rolleyes:

Give me a break!

As if psychological torture isn't every bit as painful and real as physical torture.

You know what? You two are saying, "He doesn't know REAL suffering...let him try out the Vietnam war and he'd find out quickly what a wuss he was being..."

Well how about this: You don't know extreme physical suffering OR the psychological kind he describes, or you'd be more compassionate.

I must say -- there is nothing more compassionate than a woman on her good day, and there is nothing more cruel than a woman on her bad day. Along the lines of "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

And actually I think he could have dealt with the rigors and horrors of war easier than he dealt with what he went through at the Seminary. He was very athletic and had tons of energy, and had a good spiritual foundation. He is a tough man.

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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2014, 09:46:42 PM »
Quote from: Tiffany
Matthew anyone in seminary can leave, they can go work at McDonalds, they can go live in a cardboard box and eat in a soup kitchen, none of that is an option when you are being fired at with a machine gun and lying in feces and mud with leeches on your private parts dying for a drink of water and crawling to a battle buddy whose insides are torn out and making sure your men keep firing, or hearing one of your men scream and you cannot locate them due to the battle fog.


This is what's called "missing the point" and "getting lost in the example".

Have you ever heard the scholastic expression, "all comparisons limp, except for the point of comparison?"

omnis comparatio claudicat

You're right, he was downright comfy compared to that physical hell.

But imagine if you and your son were being imprisoned by horrible men, and you were made to watch them do various things to put him in anguish -- spiritual, mental, and/or physical. Or you woke up each day not knowing if today would be the day they'd torture your son and make you watch.

Wouldn't that be ITS OWN BRAND of hell, just as real as the hell you describe above?

Don't be so quick to dismiss someone else's suffering as "nothing". You come across very heartless and non-compassionate, and that's the polite, scientific version of what you seem like.

It is very unbecoming for a woman to be so lacking in compassion. You are obviously damaged goods; something happened to you to make you this way. You need to recover the "compassion" aspect of your feminine nature.

Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2014, 09:57:05 PM »
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Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
And then there are our Missionary priests and Catholic laity in communist China who were beaten, tortured and some martyred.

Christians today are being persecuted and martyred.


So what?

You're right, he should stop his whining.  :rolleyes:

Give me a break!

As if psychological torture isn't every bit as painful and real as physical torture.

You know what? You two are saying, "He doesn't know REAL suffering...let him try out the Vietnam war and he'd find out quickly what a wuss he was being..."

Well how about this: You don't know extreme physical suffering OR the psychological kind he describes, or you'd be more compassionate.

And actually I think he could have dealt with the rigors and horrors of war easier than he dealt with what he went through at the Seminary. He was very athletic and had tons of energy, and had a good spiritual foundation. He is a tough man.


No I didn't mean it like that.  
Also, I have endured  both kinds of suffering but I try to offer it up to God.  also,I  pray for people who suffered more.   I always think about the saints and martyrs of the Catholic Church too.
I have compassion and prayers for the writer.  He is right ,  There is need for more charity, patience and guidance in the seminaries,and even the convents too.  Also in laity too.  Instead of breaking people down, they should be
Teaching and be encouraging like Jesus Christ.  



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