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Offline Neil Obstat

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LETTER TO PRIESTS AND FAITHFUL FATHER JOSEPH PFEIFFER
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2013, 01:26:44 PM »
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  • I'm going to take the time to look at just one paragraph of this screed by
    Fr. Laisney.


    Quote from: MaterDominici
    Don't shoot the messenger. I like to copy things for posterity.  :cowboy:

    Quote from: Francisco
    And this is what the SSPX theologian Francois Laisney has just written:


    http://www.sspxasia.com/Pseudo_anti_liberal_illusion.pdf


    The pseudo-anti-liberal illusion...

    Three months ago, I wrote in a text entitled Various churches? :

    “One can read [in one of their articles]: ‘That part alone of the visible Church is Catholic which is one, holy, universal and apostolic.  The rest is various sorts of rot.’ Immediately the question is raised: is the Catholic Church merely ‘a part of the visible Church’? And this leads to another more fundamental question: is it legitimate to distinguish between the Catholic Church, Christ’s Church and the visible Church? On the contrary, does not the Catholic Faith oblige us to profess the identity between Christ’s Church, the Catholic Church and the visible Church? Yes! Christ’s Church is the Catholic Church, and this Church is visible!”

    Such was the faith of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    ...Let us pray that they correct themselves and humbly ask to be readmitted in the Society of St Pius X. May St Joseph obtain this grace for them!
    Fr. François Laisney



    Here, Fr. Laisney cannot bring himself to utter the words, "Eleison
    Comments," or even so much as "EC" but rather refers to them as
    "[in one of their articles]."  Nor does he dare mention the name of Bishop
    Williamson, the author, and one must wonder: Why not?  Perhaps Fr.
    Laisney regards +W's name as radioactive or somehow "untouchable?"

    Maybe Fr. Laisney is trying to be Amish, and 'shun' the Bishop?  Or, rather,
    does he practice that procedure so accurately described in Pascendi, when
    the Modernists gather, making a circle about the one they would ignore,
    and turn their backs on him in silence, pretending he is not there?  

    Or, is it rather to attempt some lame effort at distancing himself from any
    accusations of calumny against a Bishop of the Church, when he proceeds
    to misinterpret and falsify what that Bishop wrote?  What has he said here?

    Fr. Laisney admits to having written in his "text entitled Various churches"
    that his immediate reaction (which he apparently urges everyone to
    imitate) was to ask, "Is the Catholic Church merely 'a part of the visible
    Church'?"  


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    Immediately the question is raised: is the Catholic Church merely ‘a part of the visible Church’?


    Well, Fr. Laisney, I would like to inform you, that the Council you would be
    so eager to defend, Vatican II, TEACHES precisely that!  Read LG 8 for
    clarification.  Or, type LG 8 Church into any search engine and read
    the quip that has become infamous:

    "The Church of Christ... subsists in the Catholic Church" (LG 8).

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    And this leads to another more fundamental question: is it legitimate to
    distinguish between the Catholic Church, Christ’s Church and the visible Church?


    Wait.  Before you run off on a tangent again, the answer is "Yes."  It is
    legitimate to distinguish between the Catholic Church, Christ's Church,
    and the visible Church,
    so long as this "visible Church" is practicing heresy.  
    In fact, is is our OBLIGATION as faithful Catholics to make this necessary and
    objective distinction.

    When this visible Church rubs elbows with all manner of false religions like
    it does not not one, not two but THREE Assisi gatherings of false religions,
    pretending that their leaders all occupy positions of equal recognition to the
    Pope of Rome.  How many examples do you want?  

    In September of 2011 when Pope Benedict  XVI visited Poland he "ran the
    gauntlet" of coldness as bishop after bishop refused to shake his hand, and
    this after some clown in a business suit walked before him whose hand
    EVERY ONE of said bishops accepted with a broad smile.  The ones that did
    'stoop' to touching his hand seemed to do so reluctantly and quickly, as if it
    was somehow contaminated.  Is that an example of your idea of "unity" Fr.
    Laisney?

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    On the contrary, does not the Catholic Faith oblige us to profess the identity between Christ’s Church, the Catholic Church and the visible Church? Yes!


    Woops!  Must be a typo, Fr. Laisney!  That should be "No!"  On the contrary,
    professing the identity of the Christ's Church, the Catholic Church and the
    visible Church is a lie, if it is not true.  When the Pope stands there before
    millions of viewers and all the media, explaining that a male prostitute is
    "making a move in the right direction" when he uses a condom, is that the
    visible Church, Fr. Laisney?  When Bishop Levada refuses to get rid of the
    fαɢs in his diocese administration is that the visible Church in action, Fr.
    Laisney?  Is that what authority you desire to be under, Fr. Laisney?

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    Yes! Christ’s Church is the Catholic Church, and this Church is visible!” Such was the faith of Archbishop Lefebvre.
     

    A half truth is a whole lie, Fr. Laisney, and that makes you a liar.  

    And SHAME ON YOU for trying to pin this lie on Archbishop Lefebvre.

    This Church is visible, but it must be distinguished.  For due to the overt
    corruption that has set in, the "rot" (mentioned in the EC you refuse to
    identify as such), we are not supposed to identify the spotless bride of
    Christ with that corruption.  

    Or, would you eagerly propose, Fr. Laisney, that we consider that it
    depends what one means by
    "spotless," or "bride" or "Christ?"

    Your conspicuous and lame mental gymnastics, Fr. Laisney, rate really low,
    like 1 out of 10, round figures.  Because the "one" vote would be an act
    of pity.


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    LETTER TO PRIESTS AND FAITHFUL FATHER JOSEPH PFEIFFER
    « Reply #16 on: March 12, 2013, 03:03:22 PM »
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  • We are in the middle of Lent, which is a good thing, because this is an
    opportunity for the practice of penance:  TO REFRAIN FROM PULLING OUT
    OUR HAIR WHEN WE READ THIS KID OF ROT.


    Quote from: Telesphorus
    The gist of all these arguments comes down to:

    "We're not liberal because the conciliar Church actually is the 'disfigured' Catholic Church after all, and those who oppose us must be sedes or schismatics."

    "We're not liberal (just ignore all the double-speak) you're liberal! And we have authority. --

    -- Because we said so!"

    This is the neo-SSPX, behind its flood of verbiage.

    A group whose leadership is in cahoots with GREC and the Zionist.




    Fr. Laisney trips through hoops (instead of leaping) in an attempt to get
    around his palpable liberalism-in-action.  

    He makes a false distinction, putting anyone who opposes his objectively
    liberal agenda into one of two camps:  sedes or schismatics.

    "WE'RE not liberal!  YOU'RE liberal!"  Fr. Laisney would be wont to say -- but
    he won't say that because it would be too honest.  Instead he beats around
    the bush.



    I'd like to quote the untouchable himself, +W, in his recent conference from
    the heartland of Laisney's comrade-in-arms, Fr. Rostand, Post Falls, Idaho.

    This is from the Q&A portion of the conference, and is his answer to a question
    that is not audible on the tape.  It obviously had to do with what it means to
    be a liberal and/or what it takes for something to qualify as papal infallibility.



    This is a most edifying answer from Bishop Williamson.



    I would recommend memorizing it,
    and when you quote it to an Accordista,
    do not identify who it is whom you are quoting.  Leave out the name of
    Bishop Williamson
    , so as to LET THE ACCORDISTA APPRECIATE THE TRUTH
    of what you are saying, to savor of the sweetness of the Master's Voice,
    for it is something the Accordista is most likely HUNGRY to hear, and when
    he hears it, he will know this is the voice of the master speaking.  Let him
    taste and see the goodness of the Lord, and once he gets this goodness
    in mind, and is settled with the notion that it is good, THEN let him know
    that these are words of Bishop Williamson.  Let him then UNDO the
    association in his mind of 'negativity' with the name, 'Williamson', let the
    words do their work for you.  Let him convince himself................





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    From part 3 of 3 (it was a 3-hour conference;  this is in the 3rd hour).



    13:30

    Let's say that true Tradition is between liberalism on one side and sedevacantism
    on the other.  Okay?  And actually, sedevacantism is the flip side of liberalism.  
    Sedevacantism and liberalism are like heads and tails of the same coin.  That
    sounds strange, but the two are maybe closer to one another than either of
    them is close to Tradition.  

    How can that be?  Because sedevacantists and liberals both make the same
    mistake, of exaggerating papal infallibility.

    The Liberals say, "The popes are infallible, the popes are liberal, therefore,
    liberalism is the truth."  And that's what a lot of Catholics have been thinking.  

    The sedevacantists say, "The popes are infallible, these popes are liberal,
    therefore they're not popes."  

    Two very different conclusions from the same premises.. Where's the error?

    The logic is logical:  

    The popes are liberal, the popes are infallible, therefore liberalism is the truth.


    [Vs.]

    The popes are liberal, liberalism is a miserable error, therefore they're not popes.

    Or, The popes are infallible, liberalism is not infallible, therefore these liberal
    popes are not popes.



    The error is in the exaggeration of papal infallibility.  

    And Tradition does not exaggerate papal infallibility.  

    Tradition understands papal infallibility not in a lazy way, but in a thinking way:




    ~  The Pope must be talking as Pope, as head of the Universal Church,

    ~  On a question of faith and morals,

    ~  In a definitive manner - "This is it, boys,"

    ~  And with a purpose of binding the whole Church.  





    Those are the four conditions on which he's infallible.  If any [one or more] of
    those 4 conditions are absent, he's not infallible.  [Then] he can make mistakes.  

    But what both liberals and sedevacantists do is take things that he says when he's
    certainly not trying to bind the whole Church as though it's absolutely true,
    simply because he's the pope saying them.  

    Papal infallibility needs some careful understanding!

    And so Tradition makes God infallible, but not any human being.  The Pope is
    only, under certain strict conditions infallible, and that stops a traditionalist from
    being either a sedevacantist or a liberal.  


    That's my view.  I think that was the Archbishop's view.  I think it would
    be Bishop Fellay's view.

    16:45

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    I would go so far as to explain, that Bishop Fellay might admit to this in
    private, so long as he believes no one is going to quote him in public, for
    to make this view known would be to destroy the illusion that he and his
    buddies have falsely constructed, as evidenced in the above writings of
    Fr. Laisney, that is to say, the straw-man argument that anyone opposed
    to them is a liberal, or else one of these two - either sede or schismatic.

    Bishop Williamson did not address the category of schismatic in this answer,
    but if he had done so, I expect he would say that schism is a different
    kind of problem, because it is a well-established heresy.  Liberalism is also
    a heresy, but it is much more subtle.  One can be a liberal and not know it.
    One can be a Modernist and not know he is infected.  Sedevacantism is
    not really a heresy, though.  It is kind of an extreme view that is based
    on an exaggeration of papal infallibility.  Schismatics are generally outside
    this distinction for in the main, they deny papal infallibility altogether, or,
    that is, so they would say they do, even if they are just saying so in order
    to be "in unity" with their fellow schismatics.  

    I am sure glad that it is Our Lady's job to deal with all these factions.  One
    fine day, she's going to destroy all this heresy and corruption with one
    stomp of her Immaculate heel.



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    LETTER TO PRIESTS AND FAITHFUL FATHER JOSEPH PFEIFFER
    « Reply #17 on: March 12, 2013, 05:02:01 PM »
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  • The liberal novus ordo will do what they can to destroy the sspx.  One woman recently wrote praising Pope John XXIII, guitar mass, and even said that mary madgledin was one of the apostles etc.

    I prefer the Mass of the Cristeros,  the Mass of my Irish ancestors while using the Missal of a saint.  Saint Pius V.  
    May God bless you and keep you

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    LETTER TO PRIESTS AND FAITHFUL FATHER JOSEPH PFEIFFER
    « Reply #18 on: March 12, 2013, 05:03:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    The liberal novus ordo will do what they can to destroy the sspx.  One woman recently wrote praising Pope John XXIII, guitar mass, and even said that mary madgledin was one of the apostles etc.

    I prefer the Mass of the Cristeros,  the Mass of my Irish ancestors while using the Missal of a saint.  Saint Pius V.  



    and Pope Pius X who is also a saint..
    May God bless you and keep you

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    LETTER TO PRIESTS AND FAITHFUL FATHER JOSEPH PFEIFFER
    « Reply #19 on: March 12, 2013, 05:39:05 PM »
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  • It's funny - after all that, we are diverted by the one screed of Fr. Laisney,
    when this thread is centered on the letter of Fr. Pfeiffer to the priests of the
    SSPX.  

    Has everyone forgotten that here we are seeing a letter from Fr. Pfeiffer to
    all the priests of the SSPX when we had been expecting to see a letter
    from Bishop DiNoia to all the priests of the SSPX????






    Quote from: AntiFellayism
    Dear XXXX,

    In order to justify before God, your staying quietly in the SSPX mainstream you must be able to agree with each of the numbered statements at least "essentially." If you see that any ONE of them is a danger to souls, then you are obliged before God to speak out and to act.


    1. The General Chapter official unretracted declaration of July 14, 2012 with its absence of the teaching of the 2 Magisteria* and its presence of 6 conditions as well as its ambiguous language regarding the meaning of Tradition both is not a danger to the Faith of Souls and will not lead souls down the slippery path of Modernism.

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you, as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.

    2. The General Chapter's official "determined and approved" "the SSPX binds herself" acceptance of the placing ourselves under Modernist Rome's Authority is not a danger to the Faith of our Sheep and will not lead souls down the slippery path of Modernism.

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you, as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.

    3.The Superior General's March 18 Cor Unum directive to "change our attitude towards Rome," to no longer have "the Bulldozer approach" to be open to a deal with Rome, as long as Rome  1)  allows us to have the 1962 liturgy and  2)  allows us to "operate with a certain real freedom in concrete circuмstances" is not a principle of compromise and not a danger to the Faith of our SSPX priests or laity and will not lead souls down the slippery path of Modernism.

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you, as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.

    4.The SSPX new "positive approach" to neo-modernist Rome does not endanger souls into falling into the modernism of the "neo-conservatives" such as FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, the Sons of the Redeemer, Micheal Voris, etc.

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you, as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.

    5. The SSPX posting in its official communications (SSPX.org and DICI.org) stories from Rome, articles from Neo-cons intermixed with similar SSPX authors, without correction or commentary about what is erroneous, is not a danger to the faith of Souls receiving official SSPX literature and will not lead souls down the slippery path of Modernism..

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you, as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.

    6. It is a more grave evil against unity and obedience to criticize the Superior General in his "seeming" liberal unretracted, unclarified statements of the May 11 CNS interview, in his own DICI interviews, in his own directives of March 18 his letter to the Three Bishops of April 14 and July 14, 2012, than to criticize them publicly on the grounds of there being a "grave danger to Faith that leads souls down the slippery path of Modernism." i.e. Unity is greater than Faith.

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you, as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.

    7. An SSPX priest is only justified to speak out if and when (not before) that priest is commanded to celebrate the New Mass or is commanded to preach a direct heresy. Anything less can only be criticized or corrected in private and certainly not before the Faithful since they are not being affected negatively until they see the New Mass. i.e. The Doctrine is secondary behind the Traditional Liturgy. If this Statement is True then you must align yourself with the FSSP or any other Novus Ordo appendage of your choice.

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.

    8. The priests and faithful must have trust in their Superiors and should not read or research anything related to the present crisis of the SSPX except from SSPX approved sources, namely SSPX.org and Dici.org. Disobedience is against God in these matters. The Faithful should not study these matters but have confidence in the track record and wisdom of the Superior General and follow his judgment since he was chosen by God and Archbishop Lefebvre and has the grace of state that the priests and faithful don’t have. Hence the faithful should simply follow blindly this Superior General Auxiliary Bishop of a Pio Unio who has no jurisdiction over them.

    If the above statement is a danger to the Faith of Souls then you as a priest of God must speak out and warn the flock.



    St. Bernard says that a priest is a watchdog and a watchdog is useless unless he barks. Where is thy bark?

    St. Felix II said,
    "To not condemn error is to approve it. To not teach the truth is to condemn it." This statement does not refer to errors presently unknown or untaught, but [it refers] to the errors of our day, our time, our place.  [E.g.] In a world of pagans, one does not speak of the errors of Molinism or Monotheletism! **

    Hence, if there are errors in our own SSPX as our own Catholic Church, the same principle demands that the Catholic priest condemn [them in] both.


    in Christ,

    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer


    Attached is an incomplete collection of recent communications from SSPX officialdom, compiled by an SSPX parishioner in the USA.  [34] pages of liberal, neo-Modernist official texts of the Neo-SSPX. You cannot claim that all is well because you refuse to read, listen or study what is happening in SSPX 2012-13.

    _____________


    SOURCE : (Sorry, I heard Matthew has suppressed it)




    *2 Magisteria - for anyone jumping in cold to this, the "two Magisteria" is a
    topic Fr. Pfeiffer has covered previously.  Magisteria is a Latin term meaning
    plural teaching offices, that is, more than one of them.  Normally, we say
    Magisterium, meaning "the teaching office of the Church."  

    There are a lot of hapless modern Catholics who are under the delusion that
    when they hear about the "magisterium" they are hearing about the persons
    of bishops and/or archbishops and/or cardinals, singly or together or any
    combination thereof.  This is a misunderstanding that has grown ever since
    the confusion of Vat.II - the hierarchy saw it developing and they seemed to
    have liked it, because it gave them MORE POWER, just as +Fellay and the
    Menzingen-denizens are currently basking in the limelight of their false glory
    in the minds of unsuspecting Faithful who want to believe them.  

    IOW, wolves in sheep's clothing, who would devour the sheep.

    By the "two Magisteria" Fr. Pfeiffer is talking about the authentic teaching
    office of Holy Mother Church, the Magisterium, PLUS the imposter, false
    teaching office of the post-Conciliar and modernist Rome, which teaches
    objective error something "like it's going out of style," if you will.  And we
    wish it would!  

    The "two Magisteria" are two opposing forces, the 'thesis and antithesis' of
    Hegelian 'dialectic' which means a push and a pull, which by inherent
    tension brings into being a new reality, the 'synthesis' which is apparently
    what +Fellay et. al. are striving to hook up with in their 'deal' with
    modernist Rome.


    **Molinism isn't a heresy, per se, and Monotholitism is, and it is this
    disparity that Fr. alludes to here.



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    LETTER TO PRIESTS AND FAITHFUL FATHER JOSEPH PFEIFFER
    « Reply #20 on: March 12, 2013, 05:45:22 PM »
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  • What does Bishop Fellay have to gain from a sellout? I do not understand his actions. What is in it for him?
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.