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« on: February 18, 2013, 08:00:31 AM »
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    Letter of Father Cardozo to the Silent Priests, December 2012
    Dear colleagues,

    In your letters, you say that you expect to something bad to happen before acting ... What serious thing are you waiting for? ... That they make you say the new mass with a woman acolyte who distributes communion in the hand, as some Fathers of Campos do already? Once we accept an error, what is the standard for not to make the next mistake? What is the limit? We saw the fall of "hard" priests who one day became absolute modernist, and have spent writings against Catholic orthodoxy ... What ensures you that there will be a return to sound principles of Catholic Tradition we have received from our founder Archbishop Lefebvre? Is the letter of Bishop Fellay to three bishops, the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, lies and permanent ambiguity of your superiors were not serious enough?

    I think many are deceived and deceiving souls entrusted to them by God, saying that the Fraternity remains the same, that the agreement has not been signed, etc.. How can it be the same from the moment the SG Bishop Fellay responded to three bishops in May of this year by minimizing the errors of Vatican II, praised Benedict XVI as if he were a faithful instrument of Christ, insisting that we must enter [ed: dar el paso in Spanish] in the official Church "? ... If we are in the Church of Christ why enter "[dar el paso] a conciliar church which, in principle, we never wanted to belong? Or have you also thought that we were outside the Church? ... This can be only that to explains your attitude! ... One of you told me that we should apply the rule of St. Ignatius, "no change in the time of tribulation" ... exactly! Why change Fraternity? [note: Father means that the Fraternity of Bishop Fellay is not the same as the Fraternity of Archbishop Lefebvre and the priests therefore should not change Fraternity] We must stay Catholics! ... We are members of the Fraternity founded by Archbishop Lefebvre, which has nothing to do with the sect that occupies our priories, our schools, chapels and seminars. Would it not be clear enough that the principles of this sect have nothing to do with the Society of St. Pius X and his fight against modernism? How can you criticize Vatican II now, when your Leader says it "is not a super-heresy" How are you going to say something against the beatification, for example, of Paul VI, when your leader say that Benedict XVI is a person of "integrity"? ... Where do you see the four notes of the Church of Christ in the conciliar church to which your leaders are committed to drag you in?

    Your silence is already scandalous. Priests outside the Fraternity reacted, the faithfuls who demands to hear the truth raise their voices and the only response is silence or complaint within four walls ... Is it not cowardice? ... Is it not complicity? Or omission? ... Do your silences protect the modernist mistakes of your leaders? ... And your anti-modernist oath, what became of it? ... Or is it that there is no death, judgment, or hell to you?
    These days, I read the following:
    Who are those who follow the path of hell?
    It is mainly men who abuse their authority in any field, who are dragging their subordinates to evil, either by violence or by deception. They will be judged very harshly. real Satans of this earth, it is to them that are addressed these terrible words of the Scripture: "Oh, Lucifer, how did you fall from heaven"
    Bishop de Segur, Hell, chap. III.

    Because of the silence, we are in this situation! I pray to God that you leave your silence and speak against so much disorder and apostasy. False prudence hides the cowardice and lack of faith, silence only benefits the enemy.

    P. E.J.J. Cardozo

    N. Fribourg-Brazil-December 2012



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    Letter of Father Cardozo to the Silent Priests
    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 08:08:34 AM »
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  • A good comment from Judith. So how would you explain to a non Catholic the cowardice shown by so called Traditional Catholics. The 'great' John Vennari stated " Yes, I too scratched my head at some of Bishop Williamson’s recent words and actions, and I believe the infamous “h0Ɩ0cαųst” interview was a mistake, yet I will not join in the blanket condemnations against him. As for all else, I will keep my own counsel."

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    Excellent letter from this courageous priest!

    Not one priest spoke out against the expulsion of Bishop Williamson nor did either of the other two bishops!

    IMO until there is any other evidence the priests will just continue to toe the party line!

    Since the the General Chapter the silence has been deafening!


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    Because of the silence, we are in this situation! I pray to God that you leave your silence and speak against so much disorder and apostasy. False prudence hides the cowardice and lack of faith, silence only benefits the enemy.

    P. E.J.J. Cardozo


    Well stated. My own experience of contacting a Society priest was bizarre. Whilst he did state he would discuss with his superior initially he created an impression I had just read "internet rumour". I got the 'be careful of what you read on the internet' line of approach. I didn't disagree. We must be careful of course.

     I then mentioned to him of facts that could be substantiated. He changed his tune and then agreed to bring it to the attention of his Superior. What I didn't like is he was initially willing to dismiss facts about his 'pious union' just to save face when in reality Rothschild-Gutmann Money is behind the SSPX.

    Those they can't place under 'holy obedience' are branded liars and troublemakers. Too many excuses have been made for these cowards in the SSPX.

    Their false obedience and prudence has finished them. It is another matter of what your average lay folk can do about a Zionist hand in the Society.

    Many in the SSPX are hypocrites and no better than the Pharisees that hated Our Lord and put him to death.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 08:38:08 AM »
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    Because of the silence, we are in this situation!


    For many blindly followed the 'pray,pay and obey' and are now shedding crocodile tears because they were too blind to see the SSPX sliding.

    They have my prayers but they reap what they sow.  It is their own fault for not being vocal and remaining silent.

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  • Quite naturally I will maintain friendships with those who attend the SSPX but I personally am seeking a suitable property that would facilitate a regular Traditional Mass. I hope the priests who have joined the resistance will consider Ireland. Ideally a co-operative should be set up to purchase a Mass centre.Interesting times ahead for certain.


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    Letter of Father Cardozo to the Silent Priests, December 2012
    Dear colleagues,

    In your letters, you say that you expect to something bad to happen before acting ... What serious thing are you waiting for? ... That they make you say the new mass with a woman acolyte who distributes communion in the hand, as some Fathers of Campos do already? Once we accept an error, what is the standard for not to make the next mistake? What is the limit? We saw the fall of "hard" priests who one day became absolute modernist, and have spent writings against Catholic orthodoxy ... What ensures you that there will be a return to sound principles of Catholic Tradition we have received from our founder Archbishop Lefebvre? Is the letter of Bishop Fellay to three bishops, the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, lies and permanent ambiguity of your superiors were not serious enough?



    Translation glitch -- should say:
    What ensures you that there will be a return to sound principles of Catholic Tradition that we have received from our founder Archbishop Lefebvre? Is it that the letter of Bishop Fellay to three bishops, the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, the lies and permanent ambiguity of your superiors were not serious enough?


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    I think many are deceived and deceiving souls entrusted to them by God, saying that the Fraternity remains the same, that the agreement has not been signed, etc.. How can it be the same from the moment the SG Bishop Fellay responded to three bishops in May of this year by minimizing the errors of Vatican II, praised Benedict XVI as if he were a faithful instrument of Christ, insisting that we must enter [ed: dar el paso in Spanish] in the official Church "? ... If we are in the Church of Christ why enter "[dar el paso] a conciliar church which, in principle, we never wanted to belong? Or have you also thought that we were outside the Church? ... This can be only that to explains your attitude! ... One of you told me that we should apply the rule of St. Ignatius, "no change in the time of tribulation" ... exactly! Why change Fraternity? [note: Father means that the Fraternity of Bishop Fellay is not the same as the Fraternity of Archbishop Lefebvre and the priests therefore should not change Fraternity]



    What is going on under +Fellay is the same thing as B16's hermeneutic of
    continuity:  +Fellay demands that everyone accept his innovations after Vat.II
    as though they are consistent with the Catholic Faith we have received from
    ABL and the Fathers and Doctors of the Church.

    What is going on is the fundamental denial of extra ecclesiam nulla salus
    (outside the Church there is no salvation) only this time the attack is that for a
    Traditional Catholic to be "in the Church," he must accept the heresy of the
    Modernists!  This error in thinking was going on in the 1940's, long before Vat.II,
    but it was the essential groundwork for the success of the deplorable Council itself.


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    We must stay Catholics! ... We are members of the Fraternity founded by Archbishop Lefebvre, which has nothing to do with the sect that occupies our priories, our schools, chapels and seminars. Would it not be clear enough that the principles of this sect have nothing to do with the Society of St. Pius X and his fight against modernism? How can you criticize Vatican II now, when your Leader says it "is not a super-heresy"? ... How are you going to say something against the beatification, for example, of Paul VI, when your leaders say that Benedict XVI is a person of "integrity"? ... Where do you see the four notes of the Church of Christ in the conciliar church to which your leaders are committed to drag you in?



    This is Vatcian IIB.  The same thing happened in 1964 when the deplorable
    Council came out with the sentence, "The Church of Christ ... subsists in the
    Catholic Church" (LG 8) and there was no uproar.  There were no riots.  One word,
    "subsists" and the world's Catholics failed to react, so Vatican II kept on going.

    So too, now +Fellay and the Menzingen-denizens say "prudence!" when they are
    actually talking about false prudence;  "obedience!" when they are actually
    talking about false obedience;  and "just trust Menzingen" when they really should
    be saying "distrust Menzingen."


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    Your silence is already scandalous. Priests outside the Fraternity reacted, the [Faithful who demand] to hear the truth raise their voices and the only response is silence or complaint within four walls ... Is it not cowardice? ... Is it not complicity? Or omission? ... Do your silences [not] protect the [M]odernist mistakes of your leaders? ... And your anti-[M]odernist
    • ath, what became of it? ... Or is it [rather] that there is no death, judgment, or hell to you?



    That paragraph alone should be directed toward Bishop Tissier de Mallerais.



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    These days, I read the following:

    Who are those who follow the path of hell?

    It is mainly men who abuse their authority in any field, who are dragging their subordinates to evil, either by violence or by deception. They will be judged very harshly;  real Satans of this earth, it is to them that are addressed these terrible words of the Scripture: "Oh, Lucifer, how did you fall from heaven"
    Bishop de Segur, Hell, chap. III.

    Because of the silence, we are in this situation! I pray to God that you leave your silence and speak against so much disorder and apostasy. False prudence hides the cowardice and lack of faith, silence only benefits the enemy.

    P. E.J.J. Cardozo

    N. Fribourg-Brazil-December 2012




    This is a fine letter.  And Fr. Cardozo is a fine priest.  God bless him.
    His name is one of the signatories on the January 29th (St. Francis de Sales)
    Declaration from Mosteiro da Santa Cruz, Nova Friburgo, RJ Brasil.




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    Letter of Father Cardozo to the Silent Priests
    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 10:56:39 AM »
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    What ensures you that there will be a return to sound principles of Catholic Tradition that we have received from our founder Archbishop Lefebvre? Is it that the letter of Bishop Fellay to three bishops, the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, the lies and permanent ambiguity of your superiors were not serious enough?


    There is general agreement the expulsion of Bishop Williamson facilitates the deal. Fr Steiner was clear on this.

    We can't be naive to believe everyone attending the SSPX supports the Bishop. When I informed some people he was expelled, I was rather disturbed to learn they also attend Mass via Institute Christ the King. Once they get a Latin Mass why the fuss?

    The question is how are this neo SSPX any different to the FSSP,Institute Christ the King, whom many would regard as a controlled opposition.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 18, 2013, 11:07:33 AM »
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  • A very powerful letter from Fr. Cardozo!
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    What ensures you that there will be a return to sound principles of Catholic Tradition that we have received from our founder Archbishop Lefebvre? Is it that the letter of Bishop Fellay to three bishops, the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, the lies and permanent ambiguity of your superiors were not serious enough?


    There is general agreement the expulsion of Bishop Williamson facilitates the deal. Fr Steiner was clear on this.

    We can't be naive to believe everyone attending the SSPX supports the Bishop. When I informed some people he was expelled, I was rather disturbed to learn they also attend Mass via Institute Christ the King. Once they get a Latin Mass why the fuss?

    The question is how [is] this neo SSPX any different [from] the FSSP, Institute Christ the King, whom many would regard as a controlled opposition.



    Very good point, John Grace:  the Neo-SSPX is "Neo-" precisely because it has
    capitulated to the demands of modernist Rome, just as the FSSP and ICK and IBP
    (Good Shepherd Institute or Institut du Bon Pasteur) have done.  

    They have all achieved their desired "unity" by becoming one in the toolbox
    of modernist Rome, as instruments of controlled opposition!

    The same can be said of the Indult Mass, itself!  It is used as a weapon of
    suppression, like an antidote to the POISON of the Traditional Faith.

    Pope Ratzinger et. al. actually perceives the One True Faith as a POISON that
    must be neutralized!  


    Excellent point!  



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    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2013, 12:43:23 PM »
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  • How many priests are a part of the resistance. Is it as many as forty? I wonder how many of the priests in the Society are sympathetic. I hope that if an agreement with modernist Rome actually occurs that many more will come over to the resistance.
    R.I.P.
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    How many priests are a part of the resistance. Is it as many as forty? I wonder how many of the priests in the Society are sympathetic. I hope that if an agreement with modernist Rome actually occurs that many more will come over to the resistance.


    I don't know exactly how many, but these are the following priests I know of who are members of the resistance:

    Fr. Pfeiffer
    Fr. Chazal
    Fr. Hewko
    Fr. Ortiz
    Fr. Cardozo
    Fr. Roberts
    Fr. Vargas
    Fr. Ringrose
    Fr. Voigt

    I'm sure there are others, but the above priests are the only ones I am aware of.

    As for SSPX priests who are sympathetic towards the resistance, Fr. Scott, I believe, spoke out against a deal with Rome, but was told to hush by the Society. Apparently he'd prefer to remain silent for the time being. We should pray for him.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 18, 2013, 01:12:53 PM »
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  • I just saw that on the website truetrad.com they list these priests on the page titled "The Brave":

    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
    Fr. Damien Fox, SSPX
    Fr. David Hewko
    Fr. Matthew Clifton, SSPX
    Fr. Francis Chazal
    Fr. Patrick Girouard, SSPX
    Fr. Ronald Ringrose    
    Fr. Eric Jacqmin, SSPX
    Fr. Juan Ortiz
    Fr. Michel Koller, SSPX
    Fr. Richard Voigt
    Fr. Jean Michel Faure, SSPX
    Fr Rene Trincado Cvjetkovic
    Fr. E.J.J. Cardozo
    Fr. Thomas Aquinas, OSB
    Fr. Basilio Meramo
    Fr. Juan Carlos Ceriani

     They also list Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais and four religious congregations:  
       
    Traditional Dominican priests in France
    Traditional Benedictine priests in Brazil
    Traditional Benedictine priests in France
    Monastery of Our Lady of the Faith
    and the Rosary, Candeias, Brazil

    So if this website is correct and complete, there are seventeen priests and two Bishops in addition to the members of the four religious orders. I thought there were more.
       

     
       
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    « Reply #12 on: February 18, 2013, 01:25:03 PM »
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  • Here is the recent declaration of some Resistance priests:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=22261&min=35&num=5

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    Mosteiro da Santa Cruz
    Nova Friburgo , RJ Brasil
    DECLARATION
    UT FIDELES INVENIAMUR

    29 January 2013
    St. Francis de Sales

    Following the example and teachings of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre as well as of Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer:

    We hold fast, with all our heart and with all our soul, to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic faith and of the traditions necessary
    to preserve this faith, to Eternal Rome, Mistress of wisdom and truth. We refuse, on the other hand, and have always refused
    to follow the Rome of neo-Modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies which were clearly evident in the Second Vatican Council and,
    aft er the Council, in all the reforms which issued fr om it. (Archbishop Lefebvre Declaration November 21, 1974)

    These words of Archbishop Lefebvre defi ne our attitude towards the Conciliar Church that beatifi ed Pope John Paul
    II and declares that Pope Paul VI practiced heroic virtue. This Conciliar Church that renewed the scandal of Assisi and
    reaffi rms the teachings of Vatican II is wanting to insert them into the Tradition of the Church, disregarding the teachings,
    defi nitions, and condemnations of all the Popes before the Second Vatican Council. For this reason we make our own the
    demands made by Archbishop Lefebvre that would verify and constitute the return of Rome to Tradition:

    We do not have the same outlook on a reconciliation. Cardinal Ratzinger sees it as reducing us, bringing us back to Vatican II. We
    see it as a return of Rome to Tradition. We don’t agree; it is a dialogue of death. I can’t speak much of the future, mine is behind me,
    but if I live a little while, supposing that Rome calls for a renewed dialogue, then, I will put conditions. I shall not accept being in the
    position where I was put during the dialogue. No more. I will place the discussion at the doctrinal level: Do you agree with the great
    encyclicals of all the popes who preceded you? Do you agree with Quanta Cura of Pius IX, Immortale Dei and Libertas of Leo XIII,
    Pascendi Gregis of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani Generis of Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these Popes and
    their teachings? Do you still accept the entire Anti-Modernist Oath? Are you in favor of the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
    If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to talk! As long as you do not accept the correction of the Council,
    in consideration of the doctrine of these Popes, your predecessors, no dialogue is possible. It is useless. Th e positions will then be made
    more clear. (Mgr. Lefebvre, Fideliter, No. 66, November-December 1988, pp. 12-13).

    Therefore, recalling the words of Archbishop Lefebvre, “without any spirit of rebellion, bitterness or resentment,” we
    intend to continue our work for the defense of Tradition using all the means that Providence allows, working for the salvation
    of souls, in forming candidates for the Priesthood, forming Religious, maintaining Catholic schools, helping Catholic
    families and working for the return of society to submit to the sweet yoke of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of all nations
    and the universe.

    We appeal to all those who share the same ideal to unite with us, so that the movement going toward a disastrous submission
    to Modernist Rome may not prevail in the bosom of Tradition. This direction toward Modernist Rome has been
    clearly manifested in the letters, declarations, and other docuмents from the actual superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
    in recent months.

    With the Grace of God and the help of the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph and St. Pius X, we determine to remain faithful to
    the Roman Catholic Church and all the successors of St. Peter as well as Archbishop Lefebvre, in order to continue to be
    “faithful dispensors of the Mysteries of Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the Holy Ghost. Amen.” (I Cor. 4:1 et seq.)

    (Present in Brazil)
    Dom Tomas de Aquino, OSB (Brazil)
    Dom Jahir Britto, FBVM (Brazil)
    Fr. Ernesto Cardozo, FSSPX (Argentina)
    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, FSSPX (USA)
    Fr. David Hewko, FSSPX (USA)
    Fr. Joaquim Daniel Maria de Sant’Ana, FBVM (Brazil)
    Fr. Rene Trincado, FSSPX (Chile)

    (in Absentia)
    Bishop Richard Williamson, FSSPX (Great Britain)
    Fr. Jean Michel Faure, FSSPX (France)
    Fr Ronald Ringrose, (USA)
    Fr. Richard Voigt, SDB (USA)
    Fr. Juan Carlos Ortiz, FSSPX (Columbia)
    Fr. Brendan Dardis, (USA)
    Fr. Arturo Vargas, FSSPX (Mexico)
    Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP (USA)

    Attached file: Jan 29 2013 Declaration Monastery of Santa Cruz Nova Friburgo Brazil.pdf (4 downloads, 68 KB)

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    « Reply #13 on: February 18, 2013, 01:39:07 PM »
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    How many priests are a part of the resistance. Is it as many as forty? I wonder how many of the priests in the Society are sympathetic. I hope that if an agreement with modernist Rome actually occurs that many more will come over to the resistance.


    In the sermon given by Fr Pfeiffer that has been recently posted to Cath Info he (Fr Pfeiffer) stated that six priests he spoke to are sticking with Bishop Fellay on the basis they have not been asked to say the Novus Ordo. These six priests seem to have missed the point.

    Bishop Fellay isn't going to bring every priest with him either.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 18, 2013, 01:43:20 PM »
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  • I met Father Pfeiffer once. I liked him very much. We ate lunch together as part of a large group after he offered Mass. I remember asking him why he was wearing a white cassock instead of a black one and he told me that in India where he was stationed, the priests wear white cassocks. I doubt if he remembers me but I remember him.
    R.I.P.
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