Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT  (Read 2307 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline untitled

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 98
  • Reputation: +94/-0
  • Gender: Male
LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
« on: January 12, 2014, 07:12:26 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • More than 200 faithful signed the letter of support of Father Altamira! And this is just the first signature collection.



    Santa Fe of Bogotá, January 10 2014.

    Fr. Christian Bouchacourt
    District Superior of South America.
    SSPX.

    Father,

    As it is public knowledge, our Prior, Fr. Fernando Altamira, has recently stated from the pulpit some criticism of doctrinal nature for certain current guidelines of the authorities of the SSPX. The reaction of the Society has been to dismiss him as Prior and to move him to another country.

    Given this, the signatories, faithful of the SSPX Colombia, respectfully express to Your Reverence the following:
    1. The Colombian faithful, thanks to the constant formation work carried out by the SSPX in this country, is a Catholic group solid in the Faith, and therefore is aware of the doctrinal deviation of the SSPX, particularly regarding the relations with Rome.

    2. Regarding the relations with Rome, Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX priests taught us this principle: The SSPX won’t be engaged in negotiations to achieve an agreement with apostate Rome, as long as it is not converted, as long as Rome doesn’t return to the Truth. (General Chapter 2006)


    3. On 2012, it cause us a great surprise and perplexity to learn that the SSPX leaders were carrying out in secret, efforts to subdue the AB Lefebvre wok to the apostate, modernist, blind and erratic Rome sacrificing the very same Truth.

    4. Moreover, this intention of the SSPX authorities was not justified before the faithful in a frank and transparent way, on the contrary, they have been using, for achieving the agreement or the regularization, a constant ambiguity in the language, abuse of authority, excessive diplomacy, secrets, political work out and strange stratagems, like the launching of Rosary Crusades which manipulates the piety and good will of the faithful, etc.; ., all of which has sowing doubt and confusion among the faithful. This unfortunate state of affairs has generated a total loss of confidence in the superiors. All of this constitutes a never seen situation in the history of the Society.

    5. Furthermore, this strategy of ambiguity and similar signs, make us believe that the same organization denounced and condemned by the pre-conciliar Magisterium, the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr that occupied Rome and introduced the modernism (the sum of all heresies) within the Church, is influencing the decisions of the Society. It’s working with the same cunning and brutality as it did when occupied Rome: trying to destroy the Society by means of false obedience.

    6. We are painfully aware that the battle against the enemies of Truth, the battle in defense of the Faith, is no longer the combat of the leadership of the Society or its priority. The authorities do not speak or write with clarity as they did before, nor denounce the errors strongly as they did before, nor allow the publication of good docuмents relative to this glorious fight, which was the fight of Archbishop Lefebvre, and which led him to the isolation, the calumny and to the spiritual martyrdom. .

    7. On the other hand, the priests who have had the courage to remain unshakable in the truth, have been expelled by means of illegal judgments and without obtaining doctrinal answers sufficiently clear, proving that into the leadership of the Society there is a liberal pollution, giving rise to foreign interests away of the defense of Faith and the Archbishop Lefebvre principles.

    8. The SSPX taught us that Vatican II was the council which broke with Tradition and imposed a different religion to Catholics; however, we frightened realize that the SSPX, and especially the Superior, has softened the previous position of categorical rejection of Vatican II.


    9. The authorities of the SSPX do not show us the real enemy. In the case of Fr. Altamira, he has demonstrated to have the preparation and doctrinal formation to recognize the external and internal enemy and to defend our souls against the wolf, and so we trust him to be guided by him as pastor.

    10. We understand that obedience must be directed towards the Faith and Truth. Therefore, all obedience regarding to seek unity with apostate Rome, is false, illusory and involves a grave a betrayal to the Truth which is Christ the Lord.

    11. Because of the deviation of the authorities of the Society, the battlefield seems to be today inside the Society and not outside where the real enemy is. One example is that Father Altamira is attacked while the powerful and ancestral enemies of the Church are feared and even praised and defended.
    12. In summary, we realize with sadness and pain that our good father and pastor, father Altamira, is persecuted for combating the error, while the leadership of the SSPX stopped denouncing and fighting resolutely the new heretical doctrines and the liberal and modernist hierarchy that spread it, but as St. Pius X said: "not to combat error is allowing it. "

    In consideration of the above, we declare:

    1. We reject, as gravely unjust and unfounded, the measures of dismissal of Fr. Altamira as Prior of Bogota and his transferring outside Colombia.

    2. That we will support the Father so that he continues consolidating his holy apostolate, supporting us in the combat and working for the sanctification of our souls. Because Fr. Altamira resists any change in Catholic doctrine, we will follow him in that resistance.

    3. We judge as absolutely unacceptable, and wholeheartedly reject the liberal drift of the SSPX, for which the authorities must respond before God. We are witnessing the self-destruction of the work of Archbishop Lefebvre. We pray to God that these authorities, for the sake of their own souls and the good of the Church, rectify their mistakes and take with Christian heroism the challenge all Catholics must face in the worst crisis in the history of the Church. May they remember that the true Church has always been willing to martyrdom for the sake of Truth. Bear in mind these timeless words of Christ, our Lord: "Whosoever will come after Me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow me."

    God keep you, protect you and bless you.

    Looking forward to your prompt response to email (…)


    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2014/01/carta-de-los-fieles-de-colombia-al-p.html


    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #1 on: January 12, 2014, 09:59:51 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I do not believe the letter will have an impact. The laity are aware but should they meddle in internal matters of the pious union? It's an open question.

    They are to be commended for supporting Father Altamira but it is a private matter between priest.

    Fr. Christian Bouchacourt  will probably chuckle and shred the letter.


    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #2 on: January 12, 2014, 10:07:37 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • The letters are years too late. The SSPX leadership were effective on playing on the fears of the laity and the false obedience has destroyed the SSPX.

    Even Fr N Pfluger played on the fears in Ireland. "Do not cut yourself off from the Mass"

    Quote
    We understand that obedience must be directed towards the Faith and Truth.


    Oblationem was correct when he/she stated if people had been vocal much earlier.

    All positive for the resistance but the SSPX still remains quite a wealthy organisation.

    Offline Centroamerica

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2655
    • Reputation: +1641/-438
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 04:06:00 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: John Grace
    The letters are years too late.  


    Pessimist..,,.

     :smash-pc:
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline holysoulsacademy

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 591
    • Reputation: +3/-0
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 09:29:55 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • We may be little but never too late especially over issues of grave importance such as these. :dwarf:


    Offline Frances

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2660
    • Reputation: +2241/-22
    • Gender: Female
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 09:54:48 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: John Grace


    All positive for the resistance but the SSPX still remains quite a wealthy organisation.


    It will probably remain so, but now there will be a place to go when the sspx becomes unrecognisable from the pious union founded by ABL.  The goal of the Resistance is not to bankrupt the sspx!  It is to keep the Holy Catholic Faith!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

    Offline Wessex

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1311
    • Reputation: +1953/-361
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #6 on: January 13, 2014, 04:05:18 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • If the Society can get its funding by wheeling and dealing in the world, the laymen's pennies are just too petty to collect. This is similar to banks staying afloat through central bank manipulation rather than relying on savers deposits. The importance of the laity and depositors to these institutions is deminished and the business of religion and banking become activities for the few and determined behind closed doors.

    There comes a point when the Society does not need regular parish life for its continued existence and so avoid the annoying behaviour of the great unwashed. It can opt for the monastic life or merely provide cultural centres to entertain the top end of the residual Catholic market. The Society could still say it is training clerical operators to satisy a small class not aesthetically inclined towards the Novus Ordo. I wonder when the leadership finally decided that restoring the Church was a bridge too far.  

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #7 on: January 13, 2014, 05:41:34 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Wessex
    If the Society can get its funding by wheeling and dealing in the world, the laymen's pennies are just too petty to collect. This is similar to banks staying afloat through central bank manipulation rather than relying on savers deposits. The importance of the laity and depositors to these institutions is deminished and the business of religion and banking become activities for the few and determined behind closed doors.

    There comes a point when the Society does not need regular parish life for its continued existence and so avoid the annoying behaviour of the great unwashed. It can opt for the monastic life or merely provide cultural centres to entertain the top end of the residual Catholic market. The Society could still say it is training clerical operators to satisy a small class not aesthetically inclined towards the Novus Ordo. I wonder when the leadership finally decided that restoring the Church was a bridge too far.  


    An excellent comment. Quite alot of money has gone on the new image and branding. I don't believe the SSPX actually needs the "laymen's pennies".


    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #8 on: January 13, 2014, 05:48:37 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Frances
    Quote from: John Grace


    All positive for the resistance but the SSPX still remains quite a wealthy organisation.


    It will probably remain so, but now there will be a place to go when the sspx becomes unrecognisable from the pious union founded by ABL.  The goal of the Resistance is not to bankrupt the sspx!  It is to keep the Holy Catholic Faith!


    I do not dispute that the purpose of the resistance is to keep the faith. Wessex expanded on a point I made. It makes sense. The SSPX regards itself as a business.It has long since abandoned the principles of its founder. It has  a new image and direction. Read again the posts of William or Norwich and Veritas1961 and see the role of the SSPX in business.

    It is self evident the SSPX is not the SSPX of Archbishop Lefebvre. Instead of fighting against the modern world, the SSPX became part of the problem.

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #9 on: January 13, 2014, 05:53:55 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Centroamerica
    Quote from: John Grace
    The letters are years too late.  


    Pessimist..,,.

     :smash-pc:


    I based my comment on the earlier comment of 'Oblationem'. I thought it a good and accurate comment. If people had only been vocal against Bishop Fellay earlier.

    Also on the point of momentum being lost. This was discussed at length at the 'Crisis in the SSPX' conference in London, England.

    It is generally accepted momentum has been lost. Nobody is naive to believe Bishop Fellay will resign.

    The best folk can do is join the resistance.

    Offline Wessex

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1311
    • Reputation: +1953/-361
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #10 on: January 13, 2014, 07:11:58 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: John Grace
    Quote from: Wessex
    If the Society can get its funding by wheeling and dealing in the world, the laymen's pennies are just too petty to collect. This is similar to banks staying afloat through central bank manipulation rather than relying on savers deposits. The importance of the laity and depositors to these institutions is deminished and the business of religion and banking become activities for the few and determined behind closed doors.

    There comes a point when the Society does not need regular parish life for its continued existence and so avoid the annoying behaviour of the great unwashed. It can opt for the monastic life or merely provide cultural centres to entertain the top end of the residual Catholic market. The Society could still say it is training clerical operators to satisy a small class not aesthetically inclined towards the Novus Ordo. I wonder when the leadership finally decided that restoring the Church was a bridge too far.  


    An excellent comment. Quite alot of money has gone on the new image and branding. I don't believe the SSPX actually needs the "laymen's pennies".




    Yes, how institutions are financed is very germane to their attitudes towards their public. I doubt that the UK mission is rich pickings for the SSPX based on the size of its presence here and lack of growth. But the US is a different matter where Fr. Rostand has to divide his time between soul-saving and fund-raising because of the Society's heavy commitment there. And always remember large capital projects impose large maintenance burdens. Whether the chore of collecting pennies convinces the laity that they are getting something of value in return or is retained symbolically as the offertory aspect of the ritual, we have to wonder just how much money arises from 'other' sources now that the world of finance has reached mysterious esoteric heights. My experience of charities tells me that legacies and income from investments are top of the list with collections there just for 'public participation'. When priests tell their grumbling congregations that they must be grateful for the Latin Mass, they may have in mind their importance in financial terms!


    Offline hollingsworth

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2782
    • Reputation: +2883/-512
    • Gender: Male
    LETTER FROM THE FAITHFUL OF COLOMBIA TO FR. BOUCHACOURT
    « Reply #11 on: January 14, 2014, 12:09:00 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • John Grace:
    Quote
    If people had only been vocal against Bishop Fellay earlier.

    Bp W. wrote in a recent EC that he had seen things going adrift in sspx 15 years earlier.  That would place his growing suspicions in a period right around the emergence of GREC.  Some might argue that he himself should have been vocal earlier.  I am not his judge.  H.E. wanted to preserve the Society intact as long as possible, because he thought it to be among the only reasonable alternatives for traditional Catholics.  In fact, I don't think that any kind of a viable resistance can survive long without His Excellency's participation and his leadership.  So whether or not he should have spoken out sooner, we still need his Episcopal services and his prophetic words.
    Quote
    It is generally accepted momentum has been lost. Nobody is naive to believe Bishop Fellay will resign.

     It may be that  Bp. F can't resign, even if he wanted to.  Quite possibly, there are invisible entities out there who are holding his feet to the fire.  If he bolted and ran, they just might bring some very unpleasant things to light about him.  He is useful to the cryptocracy just where he is, I'm afraid.