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Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: ancien regime on June 22, 2013, 03:28:58 PM
Fr. Pinaud is a French resistance priest (one of the 37 priests) who is being held in the Jaidhof fortress in Austria pending a "trial" by Menzingen. Fr. Pinaud decided to play through this farce of a "trial." He has written a couple of times from his place of detention in Austria. He does not speak German and does not know the people or the area.

This letter was posted on La Sapiniere (http://www.lasapiniere.info/) and on Un évêque s'est levé!  (http://lefebvristes.forum-box.com/t1819-L-abb-Pinaud-va-t-il-f-ter-ses-20-ans-de-sacerdoce-en-prison.htm) The translation is my own.

It shows what devious means Menzingen is using to try to undermine the resistance.

Quote
Fr. Pinaud: Is He Going To Celebrate His 20th Priestly Anniversary In Prison?

Abbé Nicolas Pinaud
IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIe jour de détention dans la forteresse de Jaidhof  (92nd day of detention in the Jaidhof fortress)
Priestbruderschaft St Pius X
Jaidhof 1 A
3542 GFÖHL, NÖ
Autriche [Austria]

10 June 2013,
 
“Imprisoned in a narrow dungeon cell in the Palazzo della Signoria, sleeping on bare earth, without straw, nor light, feet in stocks, hands in chains, left arm dislocated and broken by torture, so painful that he must sometimes be hand-fed, but hating no one, cursing no one, retaining all his magnanimity, all his kindness, all his faith, to the point of affecting his prison guard and undertaking to lead him and his daughter towards the perfection of the Christian life, Savonarola still had the strength to take up the pen to put into writing, in a very short time, between April 26 and May 8, 1498, the heartbreaking and sublime cry of his last “Miserere,” and suddenly to give to the words of the psalmist, that voice of the liturgy repeated for fifteen centuries, an echo of so poignant a beauty, an accent so direct, a candor so absolute, that it must merit to be perpetuated through time as one of the most pure and moving supplications of Christian piety.”

Rest assured, this quotation from the introduction of the Prison Meditations of Savonarola by Cardinal Journet illustrates nothing about my situation. And above all, let no one translate this [quotation]into German so as to put it on I don’t know what site, because humor is very different according to place and this would provoke, by itself, a humorous movement which would wish upon me the treatment of Savonarola!

The days follow one another occupied monastically in study. My trial has been announced for the Nativity of St. John the Baptist (June 24), which is preferable to the date of his beheading (August 29)!

I perceive the confusion of some of you who have made me aware of their difficulty in believing what I wrote in an earlier letter, that is that:

“From now on, I am arranging for a certain number of messages signed with my initials, to be sent from an electronic address bearing my name: nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr, to some people known among themselves [i.e. in the Resistance] and unknown to others.”

I understand. But facts are facts. There were several messages sent from this address, nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr, which was created on March 3, 2013.

It was used the same day [March 3] at 10:19 pm, to send the following message to I don’t know how many people:

“The vice is tightening more and more. We are in the crosshairs of Menzingen and Suresnes . . . but I will not take up arms! Have confidence! NP”

At least one confrere was misled and responded with a message (that I have not received!) to this false message (that I never wrote)!

On March 6, 2013 at 1:47 pm, the same message was sent from the same address, to other priests and lay recipients. At least one layman was deceived and later threatened in mid-March. A court bailiff remitted the message and its response to me. . . which I evidently would never have otherwise received!!

On the same day, March 6, Bishop Williamson received from the same address [nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr] the following message that I neither wrote nor sent:

“Dear Bishop, it would seem that the address of Fr. Rioult (1) has been hacked. If you have any documents to forward to him, send them to me and I will forward them to him. (In particular any  work in progress). Courage. We will have them. Wishing you a holy Lent, I assure you of my prayers, dear Bishop. N. Pinaud”

Bishop Williamson was deceived by the false message, and sent a response to me that I have never received, and for good reason! It was a bailiff who communicated this to me several weeks ago. . . I do not know how many people were deceived by this urbi et orbi diffusion, which, to say the least, lacks justice? If you are one of them, let me know. Watch this space. [lasapiniere.info]

The accounts of the [Chartres] pilgrimage which reached me were quite painful, but it seems to me that the Sunday sermon at least enabled one to forget the cold and rain for a few minutes.

“. . .  the Conciliar Church, that is to say, that sect that occupies the Catholic Church. It is an advantage for us to be regarded as excluded, as in exile . . .” (2)

At last a little visibility in the persistent fog.

Nicolas Pinaud

1.  Fr. Olivier Rioult is a very vocal resistance priest in France. –Ed.
2.  From the May 19, 2013 Sunday sermon by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais. –Ed.


Pray for Fr. Pinaud and Fr. Rioult and that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais will come out for the Resistance.

Vive la Resistance!!
Vive Christ Roi!!
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Militia Jesu on June 22, 2013, 04:07:18 PM
The SSPX "detaining" priests in a "fortress".... Surreal !!!

How much lower can they go? I'm afraid a whole lot still.


Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Matto on June 22, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
This story would make a good movie.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Sienna629 on June 22, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: ancien regime
Fr. Pinaud is a French resistance priest (one of the 37 priests) who is being held in the Jaidhof fortress in Austria pending a "trial" by Menzingen. Fr. Pinaud decided to play through this farce of a "trial." He has written a couple of times from his place of detention in Austria. He does not speak German and does not know the people or the area.

This letter was posted on La Sapiniere (http://www.lasapiniere.info/) and on Un évêque s'est levé!  (http://lefebvristes.forum-box.com/t1819-L-abb-Pinaud-va-t-il-f-ter-ses-20-ans-de-sacerdoce-en-prison.htm) The translation is my own.

It shows what devious means Menzingen is using to try to undermine the resistance.

Quote
Fr. Pinaud: Is He Going To Celebrate His 20th Priestly Anniversary In Prison?

Abbé Nicolas Pinaud
IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIe jour de détention dans la forteresse de Jaidhof  (92nd day of detention in the Jaidhof fortress)
Priestbruderschaft St Pius X
Jaidhof 1 A
3542 GFÖHL, NÖ
Autriche [Austria]

10 June 2013,
 
“Imprisoned in a narrow dungeon cell in the Palazzo della Signoria, sleeping on bare earth, without straw, nor light, feet in stocks, hands in chains, left arm dislocated and broken by torture, so painful that he must sometimes be hand-fed, but hating no one, cursing no one, retaining all his magnanimity, all his kindness, all his faith, to the point of affecting his prison guard and undertaking to lead him and his daughter towards the perfection of the Christian life, Savonarola still had the strength to take up the pen to put into writing, in a very short time, between April 26 and May 8, 1498, the heartbreaking and sublime cry of his last “Miserere,” and suddenly to give to the words of the psalmist, that voice of the liturgy repeated for fifteen centuries, an echo of so poignant a beauty, an accent so direct, a candor so absolute, that it must merit to be perpetuated through time as one of the most pure and moving supplications of Christian piety.”

Rest assured, this quotation from the introduction of the Prison Meditations of Savonarola by Cardinal Journet illustrates nothing about my situation. And above all, let no one translate this [quotation]into German so as to put it on I don’t know what site, because humor is very different according to place and this would provoke, by itself, a humorous movement which would wish upon me the treatment of Savonarola!

The days follow one another occupied monastically in study. My trial has been announced for the Nativity of St. John the Baptist (June 24), which is preferable to the date of his beheading (August 29)!

I perceive the confusion of some of you who have made me aware of their difficulty in believing what I wrote in an earlier letter, that is that:

“From now on, I am arranging for a certain number of messages signed with my initials, to be sent from an electronic address bearing my name: nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr, to some people known among themselves [i.e. in the Resistance] and unknown to others.”

I understand. But facts are facts. There were several messages sent from this address, nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr, which was created on March 3, 2013.

It was used the same day [March 3] at 10:19 pm, to send the following message to I don’t know how many people:

“The vice is tightening more and more. We are in the crosshairs of Menzingen and Suresnes . . . but I will not take up arms! Have confidence! NP”

At least one confrere was misled and responded with a message (that I have not received!) to this false message (that I never wrote)!

On March 6, 2013 at 1:47 pm, the same message was sent from the same address, to other priests and lay recipients. At least one layman was deceived and later threatened in mid-March. A court bailiff remitted the message and its response to me. . . which I evidently would never have otherwise received!!

On the same day, March 6, Bishop Williamson received from the same address [nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr] the following message that I neither wrote nor sent:

“Dear Bishop, it would seem that the address of Fr. Rioult (1) has been hacked. If you have any documents to forward to him, send them to me and I will forward them to him. (In particular any  work in progress). Courage. We will have them. Wishing you a holy Lent, I assure you of my prayers, dear Bishop. N. Pinaud”

Bishop Williamson was deceived by the false message, and sent a response to me that I have never received, and for good reason! It was a bailiff who communicated this to me several weeks ago. . . I do not know how many people were deceived by this urbi et orbi diffusion, which, to say the least, lacks justice? If you are one of them, let me know. Watch this space. [lasapiniere.info]

The accounts of the [Chartres] pilgrimage which reached me were quite painful, but it seems to me that the Sunday sermon at least enabled one to forget the cold and rain for a few minutes.

“. . .  the Conciliar Church, that is to say, that sect that occupies the Catholic Church. It is an advantage for us to be regarded as excluded, as in exile . . .” (2)

At last a little visibility in the persistent fog.

Nicolas Pinaud

1.  Fr. Olivier Rioult is a very vocal resistance priest in France. –Ed.
2.  From the May 19, 2013 Sunday sermon by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais. –Ed.


Pray for Fr. Pinaud and Fr. Rioult and that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais will come out for the Resistance.

Vive la Resistance!!
Vive Christ Roi!!


More evidence that the enemy fights dirty! But then, what would we expect, considering their leader, the Father of Lies.......

We pray daily for all of the Resistance priests, that God will give them the courage to persevere for the Holy Faith.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Matthew on June 22, 2013, 04:28:22 PM
I agree -- the pro-Rome contingent fights very dirty.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: JPaul on June 23, 2013, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: Matthew
I agree -- the pro-Rome contingent fights very dirty.


Dirty yes but, it all seems very Talmudic and Jewish at the root.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on June 23, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
Well, we couldn't rescue Sr. Lucy...maybe we can rescue Fr. Pinaud...
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Columba on June 23, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
Quote from: Matthew
I agree -- the pro-Rome contingent fights very dirty.

This dirty-tricks campaign may be a sign of things to come.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: For Greater Glory on June 23, 2013, 04:20:08 PM
I know I'm very dense but.....  
Would someone explain this situation? I've heard a little in the past.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Zeitun on June 23, 2013, 05:30:10 PM
Yes an explanation would be helpful.  I had problems following the course of events from the letter.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Frances on June 24, 2013, 11:14:34 PM
June 24        Feast of St. John the Baptist
Is there any news of the outcome of the "trial"?
 :judge:
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 25, 2013, 01:13:14 AM
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Quote from: the OP

On the same day, March 6, Bishop Williamson received from the same address [nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr] the following message that I neither wrote nor sent:

“Dear Bishop, it would seem that the address of Fr. Rioult (1) has been hacked. If you have any documents to forward to him, send them to me and I will forward them to him. (In particular any  work in progress). Courage. We will have them. Wishing you a holy Lent, I assure you of my prayers, dear Bishop. N. Pinaud”

Bishop Williamson was deceived by the false message, and sent a response to me that I have never received, and for good reason! It was a bailiff who communicated this to me several weeks ago. . . I do not know how many people were deceived by this urbi et orbi diffusion, which, to say the least, lacks justice? If you are one of them, let me know. Watch this space. [lasapiniere.info]




This would be at least the second time +W has been snookered by
the kikes who pull the strings of His Eagerness B. Fellay.

They know his weaknesses too well.  And they have no scruples in
using them to every advantage against him and the Resistance.  

There are really evil people out there who will stop at nothing.


And then there are the waughs of the world (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25432&min=25#p2) who insist that everything
is just fine.  Go back to sleep.   :sleep:



Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: 1917 on June 25, 2013, 05:18:29 AM
Is there nothing one can do with regard to this unheard of detention, outside Communist systems. How can anyone justify over 90 days detention, awaiting some kind of 'trial' for a priest who simply did not agree with the neo-Sup Gen's approaches to Rome???

Is there not some kind of regulation within the SSPX itself on dealing with priests who may voice their disagreement with something, without being subjected to an 'arrest' and 'detention' without any appeal, even while the arrogant powers that be decide how they are going to deal with the matter???

Why is there no outcry from fellow priests around the world against this enforced and lengthy detention??? Why the silence? Except from the few from the Resistance...

Something is very, very wrong with the whole system within the neo-SSPX.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 25, 2013, 05:46:17 AM
1917, excellent posts here in cathinfo a few months ago re. "crimestop", "crime-think", "thoughtcrime" (1984 novel, George Orwell) applied to the current crisis in the ExSPX. Also, this link (surely exists in English as well), might help understand "methodology" which might have been applied since Monseñor Lefebvre passed away (Palo Alto is in Silicon Valley):

es.wikipedia.org / wiki / Escuela_de_Palo_Alto
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 25, 2013, 05:56:33 AM
Zeitun, what bothers me is that these good priests don't have a mother, father, any family member, any friend, explaining to them that they need to run away. It is so obvious. I am doing my best with the ones I know or with their friends (who think likewise) to convince them. But it would seem no success.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 25, 2013, 06:09:10 AM
ancien regime, myself, I have forgotten +Tissier time ago. His definition of "fortitude" (un eveque s'est levee) is a wrong one.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Wessex on June 25, 2013, 06:11:43 AM
The treatment of priests that fall foul of 'the management' is well-known. There is not much love lost when it comes to resolving differences. Hundreds of priests must have painful memories of the SSPX, some after giving long service. And I am not just talking about recent times; this has always been a problem. Maybe the priesthood is not for gentle types; one must develop a thick skin and hard knuckles within these organisations.

A priest detained inside a Rothschild castle may sound unreal but it is in keeping with the drama around us. There is great symbolism with this particular event: an inquisition convened within a malevolent setting after a long period of 'persuasion' and 'correct' reflection. Bp. W would send me postcards of the Tower of London to ridicule his exile and one wonders whether the 'Swiss gang' were fed too many fairytales as children and like to simulate medieval solutions. So long as the money keeps pouring in and the pews remain compliant, they will continue to act out their fantasies. Young seminarians and priests may consider all this a hoot but the seniors should start being more scathing if their lives are to have any meaning.  
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 25, 2013, 06:19:36 AM
Wessex, "were fed too many fairytales as children". Very kind of you. Unfortunately, I think it is far worse than that. There were two excellent posts here by Ethelred some time ago explaining this. Very convincing.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 25, 2013, 08:27:01 AM
Ethelred, if you happen to read this one, could you please let us know where your posts re. Mr. Lovey/Lovely are.? Can't find them. Very convincing, IMIgnorantOpinion.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Frances on June 25, 2013, 09:50:48 AM
The behaviors described on this thread are those of a cult.  False guilt, public shaming, threats to the victim AND his family and associates, fear, constant surveillance.  Beware!
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: B from A on June 25, 2013, 10:12:05 AM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini
Ethelred, if you happen to read this one, could you please let us know where your posts re. Mr. Lovey/Lovely are.? Can't find them. Very convincing, IMIgnorantOpinion.


Like this?

Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: JuanDiego
Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.

This benefactor was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr Lovey. (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18817&min=16)

His son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. Mr Lovey senior died the same day when his son was ordained a priest, I think even in the same hour.

I didn't find any indications that Mr. Lovey was a modernist. But if I remember correctly, his son Fr Lovey today is pro Bp Fellay's sellout to New-Rome (which maybe is not postponed).


According to some recent posts here on Cathinfo about the Swiss false "mystic" who influenced Bp Fellay, it was a certain Fr Phillipe Lovey who was connected to this Swiss "mystic" and put her into contact with Bp Fellay around 1995 (+/-). We should have some more accurate information about this but unfortunately there's hardly any available.


Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: Sugar
He had no intention to nominate a further bishop but it is said that he had to change his mind after a major financial swiss backer insisted that a swiss bishop be also nominated and pushed for Mgr Fellay.

From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.

If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.


Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: suger
Quote from: Ethelred
From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.


If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

To be more precise: Mr. Lovey (on behalf of his group of benefactors) actually bought the entire Econe for Archbishop Lefebvre.

Quote
Quote
Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.

Thank you so much for this key-piece of information, Ethelred!!!!
I was unable to retrieve the name of the financial backer responsible for this. I do believe too he was a nice person, but was naively manipulated by evil-intended money-lenders. Our Lord was right to chase the banksters out of the temple.

You're welcome Suger, and thank you for your good informations.


Quote
Re. ABL, he was in dire need of financial support and had no choice. This is how the banksters got a pull on the Society, as they have pulls on anything they find important in the West.

Well, the situation is becoming clearer now: After Mr. Lovey bought Ecône for the Archbishop, and then some ~20 years later in 1988 Mr. Lovey urged the Archbishop to consecrate also Fr. Fellay because of the "importance of Switzerland for the SSPX" (quoted according to my sources), I think it's understandable that the good Archbishop could have felt obliged to do so because of what Mr. Lovey did for the society...

That's no accusation.

Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: B from A on June 25, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
Sorry; formatting got all messed up.  Will try to re-post with corrected format:

Quote from: Elsa Zardini
Ethelred, if you happen to read this one, could you please let us know where your posts re. Mr. Lovey/Lovely are.? Can't find them. Very convincing, IMIgnorantOpinion.


Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: JuanDiego
Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.

This benefactor was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr Lovey. (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18817&min=16)

His son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. Mr Lovey senior died the same day when his son was ordained a priest, I think even in the same hour.

I didn't find any indications that Mr. Lovey was a modernist. But if I remember correctly, his son Fr Lovey today is pro Bp Fellay's sellout to New-Rome (which maybe is not postponed).


According to some recent posts here on Cathinfo about the Swiss false "mystic" who influenced Bp Fellay, it was a certain Fr Phillipe Lovey who was connected to this Swiss "mystic" and put her into contact with Bp Fellay around 1995 (+/-). We should have some more accurate information about this but unfortunately there's hardly any available.



Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: Sugar
He had no intention to nominate a further bishop but it is said that he had to change his mind after a major financial swiss backer insisted that a swiss bishop be also nominated and pushed for Mgr Fellay.

From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.

If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.



Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: suger
Quote from: Ethelred
From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.


If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

To be more precise: Mr. Lovey (on behalf of his group of benefactors) actually bought the entire Econe for Archbishop Lefebvre.

Quote
Quote
Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.

Thank you so much for this key-piece of information, Ethelred!!!!
I was unable to retrieve the name of the financial backer responsible for this. I do believe too he was a nice person, but was naively manipulated by evil-intended money-lenders. Our Lord was right to chase the banksters out of the temple.

You're welcome Suger, and thank you for your good informations.


Quote
Re. ABL, he was in dire need of financial support and had no choice. This is how the banksters got a pull on the Society, as they have pulls on anything they find important in the West.

Well, the situation is becoming clearer now: After Mr. Lovey bought Ecône for the Archbishop, and then some ~20 years later in 1988 Mr. Lovey urged the Archbishop to consecrate also Fr. Fellay because of the "importance of Switzerland for the SSPX" (quoted according to my sources), I think it's understandable that the good Archbishop could have felt obliged to do so because of what Mr. Lovey did for the society...

That's no accusation.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Unbrandable on June 25, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini
Zeitun, what bothers me is that these good priests don't have a mother, father, any family member, any friend, explaining to them that they need to run away. It is so obvious. I am doing my best with the ones I know or with their friends (who think likewise) to convince them. But it would seem no success.


It is obvious. I don't understand why he doesn't leave. What has he got to lose?
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 25, 2013, 11:15:05 AM
"B from A" and "unbrandable". Thank you so much. The thing is somebody FULLY  of Monseñor Lefebvre's thinking and hence the Religion of God Trino (very important to other the word "trino") explains this to the French good  priests. This is crucial. Like it or not. What can I do?
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Unbrandable on June 25, 2013, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini
"B from A" and "unbrandable". Thank you so much. The thing is somebody FULLY  of Monseñor Lefebvre's thinking and hence the Religion of God Trino (very important to other the word "trino") explains this to the French good  priests. This is crucial. Like it or not. What can I do?


Exactly Elsa Zardini. Father Pinaud could do far more good rallying the Resistance in France, rather than sitting day after day in his "prison."
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 25, 2013, 02:22:14 PM
So, “Are the French Priests listening”. No, except for Fathers Faure (worth 1,000,000 of them, naturally), Rioult, Salenave, Pivert, etc. “Why? They should know better!” Because 1) of ABL’s angelism (explained in two ECs), and 2) “nadie es profeta en su tierra” (Our Lord, Monseñor Lefebvre, Monseñor Williamson, Father Faure, Father Trincado, and the other Resistants ones). So, what can be done? May be Matto (and others like him) is the answer for this precise second.

Now,  such as I see it (ignorant), the sedevacantism does not get along with the latin world. Bad Popes since juan el bueno (and throughout the convulsive history of the Church): yes. No Popes: no.  It is something in our blood, may be, and might explain the popularity of +W (non-sedevacantist from reading/listening to his words) in Brazil and Mexico. After the inminent (in my opinion) chastiment, the humble (to say the least) Church will study the subject (as has always done) and will pronounce.

Example: at the first visit of Monseñor Lefebvre to Argentina (197.?) many trads ran away from him -my father included, although later clarified- because of a bad translation from latin into spanish by Octavio Sequeiros (our good friend; now deceased), of a dispute in latin between Monseñor Lefebvre (non-sedevacantist) and Carlos Disandro (sedevacantist), making Monseñor Lefebvre appear as sedevacantist.  

Nevertheless: I am going to try to "make friends"  :sign-surrender: with sedevacantists, at this second. Can’t tell you the next second.

Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Raphaela on June 25, 2013, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: ancien regime
Fr. Pinaud decided to play through this farce of a "trial."

The clue to this is here. He's not being held against his will, which would be illegal. He's doing it voluntarily so he can put forward his own opinion at the "trial". The other priest "arrested" with him (Fr. Rioult?) decided not to be tried and left.
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 26, 2013, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini
"B from A" and "unbrandable". Thank you so much. The thing is somebody FULLY  of Monseñor Lefebvre's thinking and hence the Religion of God Trino (very important to other the word "trino") explains this to the French good  priests. This is crucial. Like it or not. What can I do?



Tell me if I'm wrong, but after reading this 5 times, it seems
that you must be trying to say the following:


The thing is, that somebody FULLY in cooperation with Monseñor Lefebvre's thinking, and hence with the Religion of the Triune God (it is very important to utter the word, "Trinity") should explain this[/b]* to the good French priests.


*Even so, I still have no idea what "this" is that
you're talking about.  You think it is crucial that "this"
is explained to the good French priests, but I do not
know what "this" is that should be explained to them.

And, who are the "good French priests" to whom you refer?



Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Matto on June 26, 2013, 01:10:30 PM
So he is waiting to be tried by a kangaroo court of his enemies. This is absurd. But if I was him I would wait to see the trial too.   :popcorn:
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 26, 2013, 01:57:08 PM
Yes Neil. Rather telegraphic.

"French good Priests": the 37 or similar number (avec l' immaculee; la sapiniere).

"This": the reproduction by B to A of Ethelred's and others related posts here in this thread, for these good priests to understand that they should not be scared of leaving the ExSSPX now (avec l' immaculee has an excellent article on this subject giving them all sorts of support), that this sell out has been going on for a long time, probably since Monseñor Lefebvre passed away, that they should read +W's Letter to Friends and Benefactors of 1 February 2001 (williamsonletters dot blogspot dot com) where everything is oulined. These explanations might (I don't know; "no tengo la bola de cristal"!), but might give them the certainty that they (the 37) are doing the correct thing by running away now that all this sell out is coming to light. As time goes by, I am afraid they might loosen. Transfers/non transfers.

Might be wrong, naturally. I am not religious nor knowledgeable. And, anyway, to whom are they going to listen to? Don't know...  
Title: Letter from Fr. Pinaud
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 26, 2013, 02:48:51 PM
Quote from: Matto
So he is waiting to be tried by a kangaroo court of his enemies. This is absurd. But if I was him I would wait to see the trial too.   :popcorn:




St. Denis died when the French pagans chopped his head off, then
he picked up his own head, and walked up the hill to the summit,
where he then fell to the ground dead, head detached of course.

The pagans were terrified.  

So the Catholic faithful built a church there in his honor, which
endures today, by the grace of God.  

Would St. Denis have been interested in watching a video of his
own march up that hill, in ADVANCE of it happening?