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Letter from Fr Cardozo
« on: September 18, 2012, 09:36:41 AM »
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  • I was asked to translate a message from Fr Cardozo in Brasil. Here are the original in Spanish, and in English. I think it is a bit of 'tongue in cheek'.

    "LETTER FROM A SHREWD PRIEST TO A FAITHFUL MEMBER IN SAO PAULO
    The esteemed letters that I received from the Sao Paulo Prior, the unforgettable Fr Maret, is one more proof that this poor little Priest... does not read... perhaps not wishing to waste his time gathering rubbish... perhaps because he doesn’t want to find out... couldn’t (or did not want to) read, amongst other things, what his chief Fellay sent to the 3 bishops last May, a letter which would place the Church of Christ on the same level as the conciliar church, or minimized the “superheresy” of Vat II, or that what Pope B16 said was as if Christ spoke!!! Ha ha! Worried! I forgot that Fellay said that he was deceived by that very voice!... and being deceived, he deceived the others who now say... that I am deceiving! ...    and in the midst of all this, Truth and Faith continue to be under attack!... by those who were deceived!
    The said Prior, after 7 years in Lisbon, had the dubious merit of closing that Priory... perhaps even more quickly than he was able to close the one in Sao Paulo. That said, I really must thank Fr Bouchacourt... another deceived person!... for the great favour he has done us!... ha ha!... There are so many who have been deceived, have there not?
    There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see. Let us pray for the blind!
    Fr P. E. Cardozo - Sep 2012
    Las atentas líneas que recibió del Pior de S.P., el inolvidable P. Maret, es una pruba mas que el pobre Padrecito...no lee!....quizá en su afan de perder su tiempo juntando basura....quizá por que no quiere darse cuenta... no pudo (o no quizo) leer , entre otras cosas, lo que su jefe Fellay mandó a los 3 obispos en mayo pasado, carta en la cual equipara la Iglesia de Xto. con la iglesia conciliar, o minimisa la "superherejia" del Vat. II° o expresa que por boca del Papa B16, habla Xto.!!!....jeje! ... cuitados! Me olvidé que Fellay dijo que fue engañado x la tal boca!...y el engañado, engañó a los que ahora dicen ... que yo engaño!.... y en todo esto, la Verdad y la Fe sigue atacada! ... por engañados!
          El tal Pior, después de estar 7 años en Lisboa, tuvo el raro mérito de hacer cerrar  aquel Priorato... tal vez en menos tiempo logre hacer cerrar el de S. P. , después de todo no puedo dejar de agradecer al P. Bouchacourt ... otro engañado! ... el favor que nos hace! ...jeje! ... Cuántos que viven engañados, no?
          No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver. Oremos por los ciegos!
                                                                                                 P. E. Cardozo




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    Letter from Fr Cardozo
    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2012, 04:27:46 AM »
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    There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see. Let us pray for the blind!
    Fr P. E. Cardozo - Sep 2012


    That's exactly right. Liberal Dreamer Bishop Fellay.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2012, 10:40:38 AM »
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  • +Wormwood wasn't deceived!!! :facepalm:

    Screwtape simply rebuked Wormwood and took the sell-out reins from his subordinate... for the time being.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 11:45:30 AM »
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  • I've got to hand it to anyone who gets this the first time through. I have to say,
    that anyone who's not familiar with the intrigue of the past few months would be
    at a loss to make heads or tails of this letter. On the surface, it's somewhat
    cryptic. To the uninitiated, it's nonsense. To most SSPX faithful, it would be a
    kind of puzzle....  :confused1:

    I suppose some of that is due to the language barrier for there may be something
    lost in the translation, as they say. But that's not all. It presumes prior knowledge
    of the situation, let's face it. And as such, it invites criticism from the Accordista
    camp.

    A division is growing, wherein the members of the one group are finding it more
    and more difficult to carry on a conversation with members of the other group.
    There is a fundamental change in the precepts of thought, such that certain words
    spoken by one of group A will mean one thing to others in group A but something
    else to others who are from group B. This, too, was something that happened
    "under the influence" of the unclean spirit of Vat.II.

    And it's happening all over again, today. Been there, done that.

    "How do you know that Fr. Trejo is punishing Fr. Cardozo and the faithful who
    assist at his Masses?" I actually had to answer this question. Fortunately, there was
    another member, a first-hand witness, who provided her e-mail address to me so
    that I could purchase my own credibility in the face of this incredulity of the
    madding crowd. "Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet," they
    would say, and I could reply, "Here: send Mrs. XXX an e-mail, and ask her to
    tell you about how Fr. Cardozo was treated by Fr. Trejo. Maybe you'll be able to
    understand the broken English of a native Mexican who lives this persecution
    in person, rather than my second-hand description. Or, do you also deny the
    reality of e-mail? You know, the local courthouse considers e-mail as acceptable
    evidence in the prosecution of crime, now, are you aware of that?"

    This seems to be working ..................
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    Letter from Fr Cardozo
    « Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 12:20:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    I've got to hand it to anyone who gets this the first time through. I have to say,
    that anyone who's not familiar with the intrigue of the past few months would be
    at a loss to make heads or tails of this letter. On the surface, it's somewhat
    cryptic. To the uninitiated, it's nonsense. To most SSPX faithful, it would be a
    kind of puzzle....  :confused1:

    I suppose some of that is due to the language barrier for there may be something
    lost in the translation, as they say. But that's not all. It presumes prior knowledge
    of the situation, let's face it. And as such, it invites criticism from the Accordista
    camp.

    A division is growing, wherein the members of the one group are finding it more
    and more difficult to carry on a conversation with members of the other group.
    There is a fundamental change in the precepts of thought, such that certain words
    spoken by one of group A will mean one thing to others in group A but something
    else to others who are from group B. This, too, was something that happened
    "under the influence" of the unclean spirit of Vat.II.

    And it's happening all over again, today. Been there, done that.

    "How do you know that Fr. Trejo is punishing Fr. Cardozo and the faithful who
    assist at his Masses?" I actually had to answer this question. Fortunately, there was
    another member, a first-hand witness, who provided her e-mail address to me so
    that I could purchase my own credibility in the face of this incredulity of the
    madding crowd. "Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet," they
    would say, and I could reply, "Here: send Mrs. XXX an e-mail, and ask her to
    tell you about how Fr. Cardozo was treated by Fr. Trejo. Maybe you'll be able to
    understand the broken English of a native Mexican who lives this persecution
    in person, rather than my second-hand description. Or, do you also deny the
    reality of e-mail? You know, the local courthouse considers e-mail as acceptable
    evidence in the prosecution of crime, now, are you aware of that?"

    This seems to be working ..................

    Niccolo Machiavelli taught that, baring severe hardship, the average person will always love the prince. Bp. Fellay knows that he need only dismiss as rumor the information from Bp. Williamson's newsletters and hardliner priests' sermons to convince the average pew-sitter to ignore the warnings.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 09:40:21 PM »
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  • From TIA, posted in May 2012:






    The Storm Grows inside the SSPX

    Priest Rejects Fellay’s Authority &
    Calls for General Disobedience

        TIA has received from American readers the request to translate from Portuguese to English the open letter of Fr. Ernesto J. Cardozo, a Brazilian priest writting from the State of Rio de Janeiro. We took the original docuмent from the Argentine blog Radio Cristiandad. What follows is the English translation of Fr. Cardozo’s whole text, including the footnotes.     The Editor


    Tradition in Action



    Open Letter to my Colleague Priests, Faithful & Friends



    Nova Friburgo, May 13, 2012
    95th anniversary of the 1st apparition of Our Lady in Fatima


    After reading the letter of the three SSPX Bishops to the General House, and the answer given by Msgr. Fellay and his followers (which have more or less the same errors as those manifested in the past by Dom Gérard, Fr. Rifan and Fr. Muñoz), I have nothing more to say than to express:

    1. My total adhesion to the SSPX and its Founder and, therefore, my absolute support of the three Bishops who remain faithful to the work of Msgr. Lefebvre, in whom I place my obedience.

    2. My non-recognition of the authority of Msgr. Fellay, given his pertinacity and distancing from the principles of the Founder, and [my non-recognition of the authority] of all those who share his position of surrendering to Rome, independent of the office they occupy, and, therefore, my rejection of such position of this Bishop, based on his opinions and polices that are totally removed from the policy of yes-yes, no-no of the Gospel and the foundations given by Msgr. Lefebvre. (1)


    Fr. Ernesto Cardozo

    3. Our absolute rejection also to any accord with modernist Rome to which this Bishop, Msgr. Fellay, is shamefully dragging us in a suicidal operation, ignoring the counsels:

         Of the Founder;
         Of his three brothers in the Episcopate;
         Of diverse priests who, in the last years with due reasons, refuted his steps toward a communion with a Church self-defined as “post-conciliar” and not Catholic, which is enemy of Our Lord and His universal Kingship. (2) They ended by being expelled or resigning in order to not end in the lamentable situation we have reached today.

    4. For these reasons, I call on the three faithful Bishops, who have an authority given to them by the Founder, to assume the command of the SSPX to avoid its dismantling and dispersion.

    5. I call on the members and faithful who still maintain a minimum of loyalty, fidelity and obedience to the Founder to support in a clear and efficient way our three Bishops, and withdraw all support from those subservient followers of the one who permitted, by his consent, collaboration and silence, the present day state of affairs that is leading the SSPX to an irremediable division.

    Given that we have been confirmed, i.e., that we are soldiers of Christ the King by the anti-modernist oath we made at our ordination, in order not to end in perjury and apostasy, I call on all to clearly take the position of Tradition and support with all their efforts the defense of the SSPX, the secure boat in which we have reached so many goals and through which we survived the apostasy of our times, while we wait for the complete conversion of the Pope and Rome to the Eternal Rome.

    Trusting in the consecration of our religious family made in the past to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us combat with her and for her until the end. Amen.

    Fr. Ernesto J.J. Cardozo

        1. In a letter dated August 18, 1988, Msgr. Lefebvre, referring to the agreement made by Dom Gerard, wrote to Dom Thomas, prior of the Monastery of the Holy Cross: “to maintain his liberty and reject any bond with modernist Rome.”

        2. In a statement made this Friday [May 11, 2012] to Catholic News Service, speaking from the General House in Menzingen, Switzerland, the Superior of the SSPX, Bernard Fellay, admitted discrepancies in the Society regarding an accord with the Holy See: “I cannot exclude that there might be a split,” he affirmed.

        Msgr. Fellay told CNS that in his opinion “the move of the Holy Father - because it really comes from him - is genuine.” “It doesn’t seem to be any trap …(sic!) So we have to look into it very closely and if possible move ahead.”

        Referring to the initiative of Benedict XVI, Fellay was quite clear: “Personally, I would have waited for some more time to see things clearer, but once again it really appears that the Holy Father wants it to happen now.”, “But we are not alone in working to defend the faith. It’s the Pope himself who does it … (sic!)”


    Posted May 23, 2012
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    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 10:28:12 PM »
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  • Excuse me if this Open Letter, above, was already posted here on CI, but I never
    saw it. I've seen a lot of comments that have referred to this, identifiable by the
    terminology, but I did not know to what they referred, as I had not seen this
    Open Letter by Fr. Cardozo. I did see mention that it exists, and is written in
    Portuguese, but nobody posted an English translation, as far as I knew then.

    It is quite helpful, it seems to me, to see all these data points on one graph, as
    they say, rather on several graphs. This is the same general topic as the OP, so it
    seemed appropriate to post it here instead of making a new thread, for it is the
    same author, and the same theme and thrust of the letter, only this one is much
    more comprehensible on the face of it than the OP is.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 03:59:31 PM »
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  • It is noteworthy to me, that this letter of Fr. Cardozo stands as a fact of history,
    and perhaps of interest to some right now, but in the main, since +Fellay has
    backed off his agenda of regularization (for now!) there isn't much more to say
    about it. "It's a settled issue." Or so it would seem.

    Anyone familiar with Communist tactics knows about the "Two steps forward,
    one step back" technique. This "change of course" from Menzingen is merely a
    "One Step Back" turn of events. Tell me I'm wrong, or say it isn't so, but the
    onus is on +Fellay to stay the course, now.

    If NOTHING ELSE, he's "on notice" for sticking to the straight and narrow.

    But for those who look at it from a traditional perspective, he has shown that
    he is capable of being a turncoat, and so, he has lost his credibility. Why?
    Because he has made a potentially devastating blunder, and he has apparently
    admitted as much (with oh-so-much restriction on the report of same!) but he
    has absolutely, without question, FAILED to make any PUBLIC APOLOGY for this
    potentially devastating blunder.

    He has not repented of his ERROR IN JUDGMENT,  nor will he, because ... why?
    For the good of the Society? No,
    For the good of the Church? No,
    For the good of the Faith of Catholics? No,
    For a nice topic of conversation before, during or after Dinner? No,

    He has not repented of his error because doing so would not promote his career.

    Therefore, this letter of Fr. Cardozo is an important fact of history. We can refer
    back to this, and we can know how the fact of its existence in this time and place
    has been important for the other events that took place after it, and when we
    want to ask,
    let's say in November when the New 1962 Missal is about to be
    implemented as of December 2nd, "Didn't Fr. Cardozo have something to say
    about ... "

    3. Our absolute rejection also to any accord with modernist Rome to which this Bishop, Msgr. Fellay, is shamefully dragging us in a suicidal operation, ignoring the counsels:

        Of the Founder;
        Of his three brothers in the Episcopate;
        Of diverse priests who, in the last years with due reasons, refuted his steps toward a communion with a Church self-defined as “post-conciliar” and not Catholic, which is enemy of Our Lord and His universal Kingship. (2) They ended by being expelled or resigning in order to not end in the lamentable situation we have reached today.



    But "the accord is a dead letter!" they will cry out from the peanut gallery. How
    can "the accord" be a "dead letter" when the SSPX is being manipulated like a
    puppet on a string to accommodate insane changes to the Mass even when it
    was an ostensibly "no strings accord" that was to be effected????

    HOW COULD IT HAVE BEEN A "NO-STRINGS RECOGNITION" IN THE WORKS,
    WHEN "THE ACCORD IS A DEAD LETTER" BUT THE SSPX IS STILL ATTACHED TO
    THE ostensibly non-existent "STRINGS" THAT WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED EVEN
    IF THERE HAD BEEN AN ACCORD????

    At that point, the cat would be out of the bag.
    Then it would be PROVABLE that a so-called No-Strings Recognition would be
    impossible.

    Of course, to those of us with grey matter between our ears AND a willingness
    to USE IT, we don't need any such proof.



    And yes, Tele, I look forward to your response................    :wink:



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    « Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 04:19:41 PM »
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  • The devil's principle tool in these matters is "divide and conquer."

    That being the case, he wants to put a wedge in the crack of the SSPX
    and drive it deep with a sledge hammer. So his first job is to establish
    a fissure and to promote the growth of the crack, such that at the
    appropriate time, a wedge can be inserted and driven home.

    One position says that "so long as the SSPX can maintain unity, the
    devil will have been thwarted;" but the more there is division and a
    difference of opinion on these procedural, internal matters, there will
    be a growing divide, and at some point, a force of splitting up the
    Society might be effective. At the present moment, the wedge doesn't
    seem to be going anywhere, for the divide is insufficient. But if this
    divide can become more deep of its own, by whatever means, then
    the same wedge, or, perhaps a different wedge (whatever) can be
    driven home to render the Society broken up. Then the devil will have
    won.

    Therefore, in order to circuмvent the wiles of satan, the Society should
    do everything it can to avoid a split.

    If one adheres to this position, I have to ask, "Why does it rest on those
    who would retain the founding principles of ABL in word and action, to
    give up something so as to "do everything it can?" Why not make it
    incuмbent on the Superior General to stop tinkering with the accord
    bandwagon? And if he persists, the consequence is, "He's OUT!?"

    There could be an ultimatum: If he wants to continue as SG, then he must
    agree to knock of this interminable accord nonsense without any
    discussion of dogma, and if he fails to do so, then he IPSO FACTO has
    submitted his resignation.

    One friend says, "But the doctrinal discussions were just that - doctrinal."

    Yeah, sure they were. Just like Vat.II was Pastoral, so long as they were
    in progress, then later they were called "Dogmatic" by the libs.
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