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In defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure: + Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.
« on: December 01, 2025, 12:23:14 PM »
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    • In Defense of Bishop
    Jean-Michel Faure

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    In Defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure

    Bishop Faure was attacked in the past and still is now. Let us look at the accusers and the accused. We begin with the accused.

    Throughout his life, Bishop Faure fought against all the enemies of the true faith and true civilization.

    His family had to leave Algeria, where they had lived for many decades. The young Jean-Michel took part in this war in which the government of General de Gaulle betrayed both the French and the Muslims of Algeria.

    Forced to leave France, he came to Latin America. While discerning his vocation, he consulted the bishop of the Diocese of Paraná in Argentina. This bishop then told him about Archbishop Lefebvre. He therefore left for Écône, passing through Rome, where he heard Paul VI speaking from the Vatican balcony about the smoke of Satan entering the Church, while failing to name the true culprit, which was none other than Vatican II and Paul VI himself.

    Welcomed to Écône in the early 1970s, he must be counted among the earliest members of the Society.

    Archbishop Lefebvre entrusted him with major responsibilities in Mexico and Argentina. He founded the La Reja Seminary.

    In 1986, Archbishop Lefebvre considered him for episcopal consecration. He declined, not thinking himself worthy, and proposed Father Alfonso de Galarreta instead.

    When Bishop Williamson was expelled from Argentina, Bishop Faure was at his side to support him and accompany him on his journey to England.

    In 2012, he did not follow Bishop Fellay—far from it. He also did not approve of Bishop Williamson’s expulsion. He eventually left the Society out of fidelity to Archbishop Lefebvre.

    In 2015, Bishop Williamson invited him to accept episcopal consecration. He accepted, thinking it might be tempting God to refuse the episcopate a second time.

    He founded the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary and has kept his Society in the good fight of Tradition.

    Do those who wish to discredit Bishop Faure have a better service record? These accusations against him were made by priests who had mostly been at the La Reja Seminary and who rebelled against their superiors in 1988. Almost all of them became sedevacantists. Archbishop Lefebvre strongly disavowed them.

    Whom should we trust? Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Williamson, who esteemed and honored Bishop Faure, or the rebellious priests who accused him? Their accusations spring either from a sick imagination or from malice seeking to harm those who refused to follow them in their revolt.

    Through it all, Bishop Faure remained faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre and, through him, to the Church. For this reason, we consider it an honor to defend him.

    ✠ Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.


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    Re: In defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure: + Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.
    « Reply #1 on: December 03, 2025, 08:21:20 PM »
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    • What was the context of this defense? I have not read of any accusations so far against +Faure.
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    Re: In defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure: + Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.
    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2025, 12:46:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: trento on December 03, 2025, 08:21:20 PM
    What was the context of this defense? I have not read of any accusations so far against +Faure.
    Too bad there is no date for the article.., maybe coming soon.
    However I see this recently on dah web , very probably different issue... this web doesn't provide a date of the LETTER either??!...


    https://transmettrelatradition.blogspot.com/?m=1

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    Response to Abbé Salenave regarding his writings against Bishop Faure: Bishop Lefebvre and the new canon law

    November 07, 2025

    Abbé Salenave sent a writing to many faithful. The title of this writing is "liberal crisis at the Morannes seminary".

    Abbé Salenave accuses Bishop Faure and his seminary for following the position (before 2012) of the FSSPX regarding the new code. Indeed, he describes this text by a professor of Bishop Faure's seminary as "a first betrayal":

    How did the FSSPX use the new code in 2012? I don't understand. In any case, regarding the CIC 1983, what I have always maintained is that the traditionalists, having the CIC 1917 as a principle and basis, must coordinate the two codes. This is what the FSSPX decided on January 3, 1992 ("Cor Unum" No. 41, March 1992), and this is exactly what I was taught at the seminary when Bishop Williamson was rector. This decision was accepted peacefully by all the priests of the FSSPX for two decades until 2012 (...).

    We think that Abbé Salenave is wrong and that this position of the SAJM seminary is completely in line with that of Bishop Lefebvre..."
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    Re: In defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure: + Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.
    « Reply #3 on: December 04, 2025, 02:14:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Twice dyed on December 04, 2025, 12:46:56 PM
    Too bad there is no date for the article.., maybe coming soon.
    However I see this recently on dah web , very probably different issue... this web doesn't provide a date of the LETTER either??!...


    https://transmettrelatradition.blogspot.com/?m=1

    Extract:
    Response to Abbé Salenave regarding his writings against Bishop Faure: Bishop Lefebvre and the new canon law

    November 07, 2025

    Abbé Salenave sent a writing to many faithful. The title of this writing is "liberal crisis at the Morannes seminary".

    Abbé Salenave accuses Bishop Faure and his seminary for following the position (before 2012) of the FSSPX regarding the new code. Indeed, he describes this text by a professor of Bishop Faure's seminary as "a first betrayal":

    How did the FSSPX use the new code in 2012? I don't understand. In any case, regarding the CIC 1983, what I have always maintained is that the traditionalists, having the CIC 1917 as a principle and basis, must coordinate the two codes. This is what the FSSPX decided on January 3, 1992 ("Cor Unum" No. 41, March 1992), and this is exactly what I was taught at the seminary when Bishop Williamson was rector. This decision was accepted peacefully by all the priests of the FSSPX for two decades until 2012 (...).

    We think that Abbé Salenave is wrong and that this position of the SAJM seminary is completely in line with that of Bishop Lefebvre..."
    I believe Bishop Thomas Acquinas is discussing the accusations of Then Father Faure being a “morrano” because of the situation with his Fathers death. I believe these are/were sedevacantists within the SSPX?
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    Re: In defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure: + Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.
    « Reply #4 on: December 04, 2025, 02:22:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Twice dyed on December 04, 2025, 12:46:56 PM
    Too bad there is no date for the article.., maybe coming soon.
    However I see this recently on dah web , very probably different issue... this web doesn't provide a date of the LETTER either??!...


    https://transmettrelatradition.blogspot.com/?m=1

    Extract:
    Response to Abbé Salenave regarding his writings against Bishop Faure: Bishop Lefebvre and the new canon law

    November 07, 2025

    Abbé Salenave sent a writing to many faithful. The title of this writing is "liberal crisis at the Morannes seminary".

    Abbé Salenave accuses Bishop Faure and his seminary for following the position (before 2012) of the FSSPX regarding the new code. Indeed, he describes this text by a professor of Bishop Faure's seminary as "a first betrayal":

    How did the FSSPX use the new code in 2012? I don't understand. In any case, regarding the CIC 1983, what I have always maintained is that the traditionalists, having the CIC 1917 as a principle and basis, must coordinate the two codes. This is what the FSSPX decided on January 3, 1992 ("Cor Unum" No. 41, March 1992), and this is exactly what I was taught at the seminary when Bishop Williamson was rector. This decision was accepted peacefully by all the priests of the FSSPX for two decades until 2012 (...).

    We think that Abbé Salenave is wrong and that this position of the SAJM seminary is completely in line with that of Bishop Lefebvre..."
    This is very interesting, do you have the letter from Abbé Salenave? And Bishop Faure is currently using the 1983 code, is this what he is saying?
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    Re: In defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure: + Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.
    « Reply #5 on: December 04, 2025, 03:38:27 PM »
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    • Sorry, I haven't heard or seen about Fr Salenave's LETTER...hoping someone reading this could post a copy, to discuss the concerns...
    Is SAJM using '83 Code of Canon Law?  Someone will keep us up as to what is a problem. 

    That French web link above has a nice looking article, but it is very hard to know for sure who is saying what!! ?They should have more Identifiable quotes. However the quotes from +Lefebvre are clearly docuмented. 

    The Nine quit in part because they presumed +L accepted the New Code...I know, but many times +L condemned it. 

    God bless. 

    Pray for Unity+
    St Peter Chrysologus, pray for us!
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    Re: In defense of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure: + Thomas Aquinas, O.S.B.
    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2025, 06:30:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Twice dyed on December 04, 2025, 03:38:27 PM
    Sorry, I haven't heard or seen about Fr Salenave's LETTER...hoping someone reading this could post a copy, to discuss the concerns...
    Is SAJM using '83 Code of Canon Law?  Someone will keep us up as to what is a problem.

    That French web link above has a nice looking article, but it is very hard to know for sure who is saying what!! ?They should have more Identifiable quotes. However the quotes from +Lefebvre are clearly docuмented.

    The Nine quit in part because they presumed +L accepted the New Code...I know, but many times +L condemned it.

    God bless.

    Pray for Unity+
    St Peter Chrysologus, pray for us!
    Have you found out anything regarding: the use of the 83 Code of Canon Law?
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    Abp Marcel Lefebvre, March 24, 1984 AD., Code of Canon Law 1983, Turin
    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2025, 09:30:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: ArmandLouis on December 10, 2025, 06:30:52 PM
    Have you found out anything regarding: the use of the 83 Code of Canon Law?
    Sorry, haven't found anything relevant. Can you read French? There is only that french  website, but I can't follow the discussion.
    Anyway, I had never seen this conference from +Lefebvre before...very handy to have as ammo.

    http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Conferance-in-Turin.htm
    Conference given in Turin, March 24, 1984  Short conference, highlighting Vatican II spirit in the New Code.

    Excerpt/ Adapted for clarity
    :
    "...This is the definition of the Church (Canon 204): "The faithful are those who, inasmuch as they are incorporated in Christ by baptism are constituted as the people of God, and who for this reason, having been made partakers in their manner in the priestly, prophetic and royal functions of Christ, are called to exercise the mission that God entrusted to the Church to accomplish in the world:"

     [+L]     We are all faithful, members of the people of God, and we all therefore have ministries! (...) all the faithful have ministries. They therefore all have the responsibility to teach, to sanctify and even to direct.

    ... our commentary on this Canon 204: "…having been made partakers in their manner in the priestly, prophetic and royal function of Christ, they are called to exercise the mission which God entrusted to the Church to accomplish in the world, according to the juridical condition proper to each one."  

            [+L] Hence everyone without exception, without distinction between clergy and laity, inasmuch as they are the people of God, has the responsibility of this mission entrusted by Jesus Christ properly to the Church. There is no longer any clergy. What, then, happens...

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    https://aprc.asso.fr/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/ste-apotres-Jesus-Marie-fidelite-catho-150425.pdf

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    https://sajm-siteofficiel.blogspot.com/2025/05/les-membres-de-la-sajm-actuellement.html
    25 mai, 2025 AD.
    LES MEMBRES DE LA SAJM ACTUELLEMENT

    S.E. Mgr Christian Jean-Michel Faure (France)
    S.E. Mgr Gerardo Zendejas (Mexique - États-Unis)

    M. L'abbé Eymeric Blanchet (France)
    M. l'abbé Jean Baptiste Brocard (France)
    M. l'abbé Alois Brühwiler (Suisse)
    M. l'abbé Stéphane Grenon (Suisse)
    M. l'abbé Flavio Mateos (Argentine)
    M. l'abbé Etienne Perez (France)
    M. l'abbé Rémi Picot (France)
    M. l'abbé Paul Renoult (France)
    M. l'abbé Paul Rousseau (France)
    M. l'abbé René Trincado (Chili - Croatie)
    3 séminaristes
    Oblates:
    Sœur Marie-Elisabeth (France)
    Sœur Maria Salomé (Thaïlande)
    Soeur Dorothée (Allemagne)

    SAJM sure has a transparent webpage! Deo gratias+
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