Author Topic: Bent JPII Crucifix on US District Website Rosary Crusade Page (Read 11468 times)

Frances · « **Reply #60 on:** February 06, 2014, 11:10:27 PM »

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I have even learned priests are telling the laity that if children or even toddlers are nearby when the Rosary is said, they can count them too in the tally. When does God just start laying waste to the entire SSPX for their depraved misuse of a devotion and Holy prayer?

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If babies "count," what about my sister's cat? He sits nicely beside his "auntie" while she prays. What about if you are pregnant? Carrying twins? Triplets? Quads and higher?
Now to be serious, which priest(s) said this?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #61 on:** February 07, 2014, 03:25:56 AM »

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While I don't have any problem with your general outlook, I have to question most of the details!!

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Nothing, nothing happens in the SSPX leadership by mistake, nothing. The use of this "papal crucifix" is an example.
Thank you Skunkwurxsspx for posting this. The intended use of this crucifix is part of the subtle re-branding of the SSPX and it is simply not going to work, period.
While the SSPX is chasing after Rome, Rome itself is running away faster than a fox chasing a chicken toward protestant modernism. SSPX, just how far do you want to chase them? Most, once they see confirmation of your path, will not follow you and those who do, well they would follow the chicken over the cliff if that is where it leads them; and when they do, what have you gained and who cares?

The truth is that if you need to ask where to turn in your "tally," well, my friend, don't bother. God is not impressed by your tally, whether it be 5 million or 50 million.

So -- when the Church infallibly provides promises of plenary indulgences under certain conditions for praying the Rosary, it's all a bunch of nonsense, and not to be believed? Is that what you mean to say? Or are you saying that there is no such thing as indulgences or that Purgatory is a fable and a myth?

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God sees the heart, not the rote totals.

While certainly some of the counted Rosaries are going to be "rote prayer" with less significance for God, there is always going to be at least a portion of them that were not by "rote" at all, and those will carry the weight of the whole, as it were. Or, are you denying that when Catholics pray the Rosary, some of them are prayed well?

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God owns the cows on a thousand hills, do you think he is impressed by your one baby calf? Holy cow, I have even learned priests are telling the laity that if children or even toddlers are nearby when the Rosary is said, they can count them too in the tally.

And you would be better impressed if these priests were to tell mothers that the prayers of their children are not heard by God? Do you have a source for this 'doctrine' of yours? Can you quote where to find it in Scripture? No? How about some Papal definition? No again? Gee, perhaps you've been reading the works of heretics, then?

What would have the mother and father of St. Therese of Lisieux have said to you if you had warned them not to count the prayers of the Little Flower? Are you aware, Nicholas, that the string of beads that the Little Flower used to count her prayers and sacrifices on a DAILY basis is a holy relic today, and thousands of copies have been used worldwide to raise a new generation of saints in the world? Did you know that? The entire family is on the road to sainthood, and it's in no small measure because of the prayers of St. Therese, AS A CHILD.

Why would you say such a thing? What is the spirit behind discouraging the prayers of children? If a toddler can barely utter a word, but will grow up to become a Doctor of the Church one day, are his prayers not to be heard by God?

Did you know, Nicholas, that the child who stood before the Apostles when Our Lord said, "Unless you be converted and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. xviii. 3), would later grow up to be the sucessor of St. Peter at Antioch (Graduale, Feb. 1st), and would die a glorious Martyr under the persecution of Trajan? Did you know that?

Do you think God did not hear his prayers as a child, Nicholas?

"Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me : for the kingdom of heaven is for such" (Matt. xix. 14).

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When does God just start laying waste to the entire SSPX for their depraved misuse of a devotion and Holy prayer? Tally me up as disgusted, SSPX and I don't even attend a resistance chapel.

Be careful you don't let your disgust run rampant. This is an opportunity for penance. Lent is going to be here very shortly.............

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Azul · « **Reply #62 on:** February 08, 2014, 12:38:45 AM »

While I hate the JPII "thing", too much is being made of this picture, in my opinion. Firstly, the part of the crucifix that is shown is not the severe type that one can find on post Vatican II rosaries. The figure is not dessicated in the least. The degree of bentness to the legs varies a great deal with these crucifixes and the legs aren't shown on the page anyway.

And for those who seem to think that they know how Our Lord was placed on the crucifix, it may be interesting to know that when the crucified gave up the struggle to breathe and let themselves slump down on the cross, there undoubtedly was a degree of bending and separation of the knees. Not to mention the fact that some writers have said Our Lord was completely deprived of clothing while on the cross.

And for the lady who says that the position of the head is so terrible, there are many pre-Vatican II crucifixes that show the head in that exact position.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #63 on:** February 08, 2014, 04:31:42 AM »

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While I hate the JPII "thing", too much is being made of this picture, in my opinion. Firstly, the part of the crucifix that is shown is not the severe type that one can find on post Vatican II rosaries. The figure is not dessicated in the least. The degree of bentness to the legs varies a great deal with these crucifixes and the legs aren't shown on the page anyway.

And for those who seem to think that they know how Our Lord was placed on the crucifix, it may be interesting to know that when the crucified gave up the struggle to breathe and let themselves slump down on the cross, there undoubtedly was a degree of bending and separation of the knees. Not to mention the fact that some writers have said Our Lord was completely deprived of clothing while on the cross.

And for the lady who says that the position of the head is so terrible, there are many pre-Vatican II crucifixes that show the head in that exact position.

You are simply wrong, Azul.

You don't know much about rosary crucifixes, obviously, so in your ignorance you should not be trying to defend the indefensible.

I have been studying these for probably longer than you've been alive.

Before Vat.II and even AFTER Vat.II crucifixes were very dignified and consistent. It was very rare to see such aberrations in common use because Catholics had a Catholic sense. Even the San Damiano crucifixes (which were quite different and unusual) were dignified compared to this type in question.

It wasn't until Paul VI commissioned the throwback model to middle ages devil worship that the onslaught of distortions came to be more frequently seen. But even he did not promote this style in rosary production. It wasn't until JPII came down the pike that the rosaries that were distributed in the Vatican to visitors started having this style. I know because I was there on 3 separate occasions with private audiences, and in each case I was given one of these. So I am very familiar with every detail, because I looked at them with a microscope. Did you? I highly doubt it.

There is no INRI on the top, so they are not crucifixes.

Later there were knock-offs that had a vague imitation of an inscription above the corpus. But it was not obviously "INRI."

The downward bent crossbeam is the primary problem, and that is clearly seen in the SSPX Rosary crusade image:

This sagging crossbeam is meant to show the defeat of Our Lord's crucifixion, and you can't get more blasphemous than that.

As if that isn't enough, the forward jutting head of the corpus is unlike anything in traditional art or in Catholic Crucifixes. Your stating the contrary is simply nonsense. It was I who commented on this before, and I am not a "lady" in case you were confused. You are just wrong. And you are ignorant. You probably watch too many protestant movies.

I could mention the legs too but then that's all you'll think about so that's another problem, and as you say, they are not visible in this image so we really don't know the degree of their INDECENCY, but you can be sure it is present to some degree. Maybe you're okay with a LITTLE indecency for Our Lord on the Cross. It would seem so when you mention the stupid Modernist lie about the possible lack of any clothing. I have gone toe-to-toe with abysmal, foul-mouthed calumniators on that point, so don't get me started. Not one has been able defend himself yet, so you don't have much of a chance.

Stop trying to make it less offensive. You are an embarrassment to the forum. You should be banned for this.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #64 on:** February 08, 2014, 05:20:47 AM »

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Centroamerica asks, "What is it (jp2 cross) doing on the sspx website?"
Answer: It is on the website because someone WANTS it there. (Now watch it suddenly disappear!) Even if it IS withdrawn and some excuse or half-baked apology made, it'll be too late. The people who were supposed to have seen it have already absorbed the subliminal poison. Those of us who take notice and know to object are not the intended audience.

Curiously, the picture is STILL on the website.

Therefore, they are PROUD of it. If they can't read their e-mails and they're not bothering to pay attention to CI (we know they read CI) then this just proves what you say, Frances:

It's on the website because someone WANTS it there.

Now, if it is withdrawn, I would go so far as to fully expect NO explanation or admission of any mistake. If they were to apologize it would be ENTIRELY out of character, because they have STOPPED apologizing for their blasphemies.

Read Recusant #12 if you want a blow-by-blow account.

They do not admit having been wrong. They are IN YOUR FACE now, and they are proud of it. They just smile while they insult your sensus catholicus and your intelligence, is all.

This blasphemy, this ABOMINATION is a SCANDAL and an outrage. And no, Skunkwurxspx, TKGS is correct. You are NOT making too big of a deal out of this.

They're doing that because they have studied The Prince and their Machiavellian / Communist agenda is full-throttle now.

Oh, (you may ask) so they KILL THOSE WHO OPPOSE THEM? Well, it's more of an Antonio Gramschi adaptation that they've been using, and Our Lord has warned us: "Behold I have told it to you, beforehand" (Matt. xxiv. 25).

Our Lord has warned us: "And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matt. x. 28).

Our Lord has warned us: "But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea" (Matt. xviii. 6).

And St. John drives the point home:

"And a mighty angel took up a stone, as it were a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying: With such violence as this shall Babylon, that great city, be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22And the voice of harpers, and of musicians, and of them that play on the pipe, and on the trumpet, shall no more be heard at all in thee; and no craftsman of any art whatsoever shall be found any more at all in thee; and the sound of the mill shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23And the light of the lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, for all nations have been deceived by thy enchantments. 24And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth" (Apoc. xviii. 21-24).

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Skunkwurxsspx · « **Reply #65 on:** February 08, 2014, 04:01:44 PM »

Neil,

My immediate gut reaction at seeing this disgusting and insulting "crucifix" was sheer, blinding outrage. I too believe it was not an accident. I believe they resort to these sneaky "testing of the limits" just so they could turn around and rather accuse the justly outraged for "over-reacting." Thanks for the vindication, my friend!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #66 on:** February 08, 2014, 04:53:33 PM »

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Neil,

My immediate gut reaction at seeing this disgusting and insulting "crucifix" was sheer, blinding outrage. I too believe it was not an accident. I believe they resort to these sneaky "testing of the limits" just so they could turn around and rather accuse the justly outraged for "over-reacting." Thanks for the vindication, my friend!

You're welcome.

But to be honest, I don't think I would have awakened if it were not for your help, because I did not see the full implications before you asked the question!

In case you have not heard Fr. Pfeiffer's great sermon in Singapore on the occasion of the Epiphany (actually it was given on January 8th), I think you would like to have this mystical experience, too. Just as you showed me the way to realizing the wickedness of that webpage more clearly, maybe I can show you Fr. Pfeiffer's most potent expansion on that one thing upon which I touched a few posts back, that Our Lord told us beforehand...

Blessed are those that have not seen but have believed (minute 26:20)

Fr. says Our Lord told us beforehand that the priests would turn wicked and guess what? They're wicked!

He told us that Rome would lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist (told us through His holy Mother) and guess what? They lost the Faith.

He told us there would be corruption throughout the whole world, and guess what? There is corruption throughout the world!

He told us they will throw you out of the Churches, thinking they are doing a service to God? Well, guess what? We just got thrown out twice just last week...

And they will have ITCHING EARS, the people of these end times, will heap unto themselves liars telling them what they want to hear, and they will not want to hear the truth.

Fr. says He told us there would be earthquakes, and we have earthquakes.

Fr. says we ask like David said, "How long, O Lord, how long?" But Our Lord said, "THESE DAYS WILL BE SHORTENED."

We are close to a great victory.

Fr. says He told us beforehand we would see great winds, and we have seen the Typhoon killing 50,000 in the Philippines, while the news says "a few thousand." They'll never find all the bodies.

And the tsunami a few years ago, and Katrina in the USA.

God said these things would happen to warn the people and they are happening, but they do not believe. But He said they would not believe, even if He were to rise from the dead.

Pagan scientists are now finding that the earth is in the center of the universe, but Catholics don't know that.

400 years after two popes condemned in eternity the heresy that the earth moves and the sun is the center of the universe, but now the pagans are DISCOVERING this.

Edwin Hubble said that all the observations we had in the 1920's show us that the earth is in the center, but THIS IS INTOLERABLE! Because for reasons of religion, they hate God.

Archeologists looking at the evidence are converting because they see that everyone came from people in the Middle East.

But people reject God, and when they die, they'll meet a God they didn't expect.

The demise of the SSPX is the most natural thing in the world, after all, Anne Catherine Emmerich said she saw in a vision, 100 priests doing the work of God in the whole world. But there are 500 priests in the Society -- that's too many!

Bishop Fellay said, "Maybe God will have to settle for less than the Consecration of Russia."

The smallest wish of His Mother, He has never turned down. Whatever she wishes, He does.

Faith has gone out of the heart and out of the mind, and this is a scandal.

And this is a great sermon.

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holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #67 on:** February 08, 2014, 09:48:29 PM »

This is what they have in the front of the site.

Why 2 different Rosaries? To appease both fronts?
From what I recall they have 1 layperson dedicated to working on the site, after which a priest dedicated to the site gives the final signoff.
So, you tell me how that JPII cross passed through that kind of scrutiny.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #68 on:** February 08, 2014, 11:23:38 PM »

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That's a great example of a beautiful crucifix, holysoulsacademy. Thank you.

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