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Author Topic: Leo intends to free newChurch from all tradition  (Read 963 times)

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Re: Leo intends to free newChurch from all tradition
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2026, 08:35:40 AM »
I’ll never understand the cινιℓ ωαr within Tradition.  Sede vs R&R.  Sure, there are disagreements and theological disputes between camps.  But 90% of Trads have been to both “sides” chapels due to traveling or necessity. 


I hate to say it but I think a lot of it is motivated by money. Money not for the sake of personal greed but to fund each group's particular endeavors. There aren't that many traditional Catholics and most of them don't have a lot of money so one group dissuading their faithful from attending the services of another group means more money for their coffers. 
When the 7 broke from ABL they knew very well in advance they needed resources to launch their new sect and they cunningly
seized what they could. I might agree with them more doctrinally than the SSPX but I can't overlook the ruthlessness in how they acted. I've seen the same thing happen in other secular organizations that fragmented when its leader died. 

Re: Leo intends to free newChurch from all tradition
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2026, 09:58:09 AM »
When the 7 broke from ABL they knew very well in advance they needed resources to launch their new sect and they cunningly
seized what they could. I might agree with them more doctrinally than the SSPX but I can't overlook the ruthlessness in how they acted. I've seen the same thing happen in other secular organizations that fragmented when its leader died.

Heated polemics always make it more believable. lol

The 7 that you are referring to... do you mean the 9?


Re: Leo intends to free newChurch from all tradition
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2026, 10:13:48 AM »
From the article in the OP:


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Since 1955 all the reforms in the Catholic Liturgy have been made by Annibale Bugnini: They include the 1955/1956 Holy Week Reform of Pius XII ...

As a point of information:

Father Annibale Bugnini was appointed secretary to the Commission for Liturgical Reform by Pope Pius XII in 1948 (May 28).  There were significant liturgical changes from that time, not just from 1955.  In 1953 the Holy Father authorized bishops to permit the celebration of Mass in the evening under certain conditions.  Previously Mass was only celebrated between dawn and noon (in my understanding), with the exception of the Midnight Mass at Christmas and a very few indults for particular locations.  To accommodate this change modifications were made to the requirement to fast from Midnight before receiving Holy Communion.  These changes were made universal and normative by Sacram Communionem, issued by the Holy Father on March 19, 1957.

A new "experimental" rite of the Easter Vigil was introduced in 1951, which included moving the time of the vigil from Saturday morning to the more traditional Saturday evening after sunset, as well as other revisions.  These changes were made permanent with the introduction of revised Holy Week rites in 1956.


The point is, if the author of the posted article can get a simple fact correct about when Fr. (later bishop) Bugnini began influencing the liturgy, what other inaccuracies are in that article? 


Re: Leo intends to free newChurch from all tradition
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2026, 10:14:46 AM »


The 7 that you are referring to... do you mean the 9?
yes, I meant the 9

Re: Leo intends to free newChurch from all tradition
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2026, 01:03:37 PM »
Did not God command through Elijah, for the prophets to “choose this day” on whose side they stood?  The God of Israel or Baal?  

If Leo gets rid of all tradition, it doesn’t matter what people wish to call themselves, Our Lord is the Good Shepherd. He knows which are His sheep and His sheep recognize His voice, whether He speak from a beautiful basilica in Rome or a rented conference room of the Holiday Inn Express off I-40 in Tennessee.