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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: +Lefebvre: SSPX must use 1962 reform
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2022, 03:13:19 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 14, 2022, 08:05:08 AM
Sure, even SeanJohnson, who's staunchly R&R, has written a fantasy along these lines.  Of course, God's ways are not our ways.  He'll decide when and how to bring an end to this crisis.  +Vigano calling for a conclave would be amazing, and then the conclave should unanimously elect him pope (and then of course conditionally consecrate him). He writes and speaks like a true pastor and many of his missives read like Encyclicals.

Naturally speaking, something like that would be one of our only hopes, since +Vigano has a large following even among the conservative NO Catholics, Motarians, etc.  So, basically, anyone who still has faith left could get behind a +Vigano.

That Fantasy is being developed into an end times novel, with the intention of suggesting a way forward, for the recovery of the Church and Tradition.

Sedes and R&R will both be able to get on board.
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Offline NIFH

Re: +Lefebvre: SSPX must use 1962 reform
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2022, 08:14:42 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 13, 2022, 08:30:50 PM
Plus, Rome has permitted use of the pre-1950s Holy Week, so if you think they're legitimate popes, then what's the problem?


This is happy news to me.  Have you the ability to provide a citation?  I will accept your point with joy.

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 13, 2022, 08:30:50 PM
Even assuming that John XXIII was an actual pope, it's false that HE IS THE POPE.  No, he WAS the Pope.  He stopped being pope (if he ever was) when he died.  Since then, a lot has happened.

And now that Bergoglio has banned the Tridentine Mass altogether, what's the difference if you used the 1962 or the pre-1962 Mass?  None.  In both case, you're disobeying the CURRENT "pope".


It seems to my fallible sense of obedience that we must obey the most recent commands from Rome worthy of obedience.  I refuse each reform and illegitimate ban after 1962, but I sense I have the duty to act according to my last legitimate standing order.  I believe the archbishop held this idea.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: +Lefebvre: SSPX must use 1962 reform
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2022, 08:23:13 PM »
Quote from: NIFH on May 14, 2022, 08:14:42 PM
I refuse each reform and illegitimate ban after 1962, but I sense I have the duty to act according to my last legitimate standing order.  I believe the archbishop held this idea.

Who decides what is an illegitimate ban?  You?

+ABL, God rest his soul, is dead.  He has been for over THIRTY years.  It'd be incredibly refreshing if people acted like it and thought for themselves, incorporating "new" information and insights that he did not enjoy.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: +Lefebvre: SSPX must use 1962 reform
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2022, 08:27:54 PM »
Quote from: bodeens on May 13, 2022, 10:13:14 PM
Dogmatic pre-55 is like dogmatic non-una cuм...

Is there even such a thing as "dogmatic pre-55" or is this just another example of the exaggeration and histrionics typical of Traddieland?  

Comparing being in favor of pre-1955 and the una cuм issue is a dog that just won't hunt.  Utter nonsense, as no one is pretending mortal sin exists where there is no sin at all.
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Offline bodeens

Re: +Lefebvre: SSPX must use 1962 reform
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2022, 08:36:44 PM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 14, 2022, 08:23:13 PM
Who decides what is an illegitimate ban?  You?

+ABL, God rest his soul, is dead.  He has been for over THIRTY years.  It'd be incredibly refreshing if people acted like it and thought for themselves, incorporating "new" information and insights that he did not enjoy.
+ABL shifted to less of an RnR position as time went on, especially after Assisi. I think the trajectory he was on is underanalyzed with RnRs, his death being seen as a sort of "closed canon" on Catholic orthodoxy.

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 14, 2022, 08:27:54 PM
Is there even such a thing as "dogmatic pre-55" or is this just another example of the exaggeration and histrionics typical of Traddieland? 

Comparing being in favor of pre-1955 and the una cuм issue is a dog that just won't hunt.  Utter nonsense, as no one is pretending mortal sin exists where there is no sin at all.
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