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Matto · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2013, 04:14:28 PM »

Wait a second. If Fellay doesn't think that the Consecration of Russia will change everything and solve the crisis in the Church, then why on earth would he start a rosary crusade to pray for the Consecration. That doesn't make sense.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2013, 04:16:51 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Wait a second. If Fellay doesn't think that the Consecration of Russia will change everything and solve the crisis in the Church, then why on earth would he start a rosary crusade to pray for the Consecration. That doesn't make sense.

That would be a good question to ask him!

I think what he actually said, however, was that it would not change things overnight, not that it would have no effect on the crisis in the Church whatsoever (though I did get the feeling he was downplaying the effect it would have).

CWA · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2013, 04:25:17 PM »

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Quote from: Matto
Wait a second. If Fellay doesn't think that the Consecration of Russia will change everything and solve the crisis in the Church, then why on earth would he start a rosary crusade to pray for the Consecration. That doesn't make sense.

That would be a good question to ask him!

I think what he actually said, however, was that it would not change things overnight, not that it would have no effect on the crisis in the Church whatsoever (though I did get the feeling he was downplaying the effect it would have).

Bishop Fellay's Sydney conference

Quote from: Laurie Myers

,Oct 5 2012, 04:45 PM
... I have placed below an excerpt from some Notes I made of that Sydney Conference. We all had to endure over two and a half hours of monotone from +BF before he called for a brief (20 Min) question time:

BEGINNING OF QUOTE FROM LM's Notes of Sydney Conference

QUESTION TIME (12.40)

When he (+BF) said towards the end of the conference (about 12.30) words to the effect: “That a lot of people were waiting for the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Well I can tell you that when he does “Nothing will happen”.”

I almost fell off my chair. I almost jumped up straight away however I thought I should wait to see if there were any more shocks.

...And then he asked for questions.

My question and what followed went something like this:

“Your Excellency, I was prepared to accept just about everything you said until you said with respect to the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary that nothing will happen. Can you please explain why?”

B.F. “You obviously misunderstood what I said.”

LM: “Then would you please explain to us precisely what you meant.”

B.F. “Certainly. Of course, Russia will be converted and there will be a period of peace for the Church but it won’t happen straight away. It will happen gradually. God does not bring about change instantly it will be a gradual process.” He continued for 5 mins. with more of this type of explanation.

Matto · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2013, 04:28:54 PM »

So he thinks it will help, though gradually. This makes sense. Thank you for clearing that up.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #19 on:** February 15, 2013, 04:49:04 PM »

Quote from: CWA

Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: Matto
Wait a second. If Fellay doesn't think that the Consecration of Russia will change everything and solve the crisis in the Church, then why on earth would he start a rosary crusade to pray for the Consecration. That doesn't make sense.

That would be a good question to ask him!

I think what he actually said, however, was that it would not change things overnight, not that it would have no effect on the crisis in the Church whatsoever (though I did get the feeling he was downplaying the effect it would have).

Bishop Fellay's Sydney conference

Quote from: Laurie Myers
,Oct 5 2012, 04:45 PM
... I have placed below an excerpt from some Notes I made of that Sydney Conference. We all had to endure over two and a half hours of monotone from +BF before he called for a brief (20 Min) question time:

BEGINNING OF QUOTE FROM LM's Notes of Sydney Conference

QUESTION TIME (12.40)

When he (+BF) said towards the end of the conference (about 12.30) words to the effect: “That a lot of people were waiting for the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Well I can tell you that when he does “Nothing will happen”.”

I almost fell off my chair. I almost jumped up straight away however I thought I should wait to see if there were any more shocks.

...And then he asked for questions.

My question and what followed went something like this:

“Your Excellency, I was prepared to accept just about everything you said until you said with respect to the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary that nothing will happen. Can you please explain why?”

B.F. “You obviously misunderstood what I said.”

LM: “Then would you please explain to us precisely what you meant.”

B.F. “Certainly. Of course, Russia will be converted and there will be a period of peace for the Church but it won’t happen straight away. It will happen gradually. God does not bring about change instantly it will be a gradual process.” He continued for 5 mins. with more of this type of explanation.

I stand corrected!!

PAT317 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2013, 05:01:15 PM »

Matto:
Wait a second. If Fellay doesn't think that the Consecration of Russia will change everything and solve the crisis in the Church, then why on earth would he start a rosary crusade to pray for the Consecration. That doesn't make sense.

Seraphim:
That would be a good question to ask him!

I think what he actually said, however, was that it would not change things overnight, not that it would have no effect on the crisis in the Church whatsoever (though I did get the feeling he was downplaying the effect it would have).

Laurie Myers:
When he (+BF) said towards the end of the conference (about 12.30) words to the effect: “That a lot of people were waiting for the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Well I can tell you that when he does “Nothing will happen”.”

I almost fell off my chair. I almost jumped up straight away however I thought I should wait to see if there were any more shocks.

...And then he asked for questions.

My question and what followed went something like this:

“Your Excellency, I was prepared to accept just about everything you said until you said with respect to the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary that nothing will happen. Can you please explain why?”

B.F. “You obviously misunderstood what I said.”

LM: “Then would you please explain to us precisely what you meant.”

B.F. “Certainly. Of course, Russia will be converted and there will be a period of peace for the Church but it won’t happen straight away. It will happen gradually. God does not bring about change instantly it will be a gradual process.” He continued for 5 mins. with more of this type of explanation.

Seraphim:
I stand corrected!!
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No, I thought you captured it accurately. You said you thought he said it would not happen overnight, which is what he said - that "nothing would happen" meant "but it won’t happen straight away. It will happen gradually. God does not bring about change instantly it will be a gradual process."

Anyway, I strongly disagree with Bishop Fellay on this. It is clear from the message of Fatima that Our Lord wants the victory to go to His mother. If it all happens gradually, it will not be clear at all that it was due to the Consecration. If He sent a dramatic miracle at Fatima to give the message authenticity, surely the outcome of the Consecration will be as dramatic if not more so. I would expect something similar to Mexico after Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #21 on:** February 15, 2013, 05:09:45 PM »

Bishop Fellay is correct that a change will not occur overnight following the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

PAT is right, though. "Gradually" is not correct either. I don't know how long it will take, but some time shortly after the Consecration, change will occur quite rapidly.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #22 on:** February 15, 2013, 05:18:27 PM »

When he said "nothing will happen" that means a lot more than "it won't happen right away."

The neo-SSPX doesn't care about eschatology or prophecy.

The neo-SSPX is an organization for networking for people born into devout Catholic families who are middle and upper middle class. Those people have money and they want a convenient religious structure that lets them separate their church and secular lives.

The neo-SSPX doesn't have a missionary spirit. The neo-SSPX doesn't really care about the Crisis in the Church. They're interested in a "soft landing" as its members gradually become fully secularized in attitudes, thinking, and family life.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #23 on:** February 15, 2013, 05:30:40 PM »

After the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe, conversions in Mexico were so abundant than in 9 years Mexico was Catholic. If that was the case back in the 1500s, how much more so today! +Fellay is wrong to minimize, or rather deny, the Immaculata's triumph through devotion to Her and following Her requests.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #24 on:** February 15, 2013, 09:13:57 PM »

It seems odd that Bishop Fellay first said "nothing will happen", and when he was questioned, he said "Oh, you misunderstood. I meant it will be gradual".

As Tele said, those are two very different statements. He may be right that change won't literally occur overnight, but where he's wrong is portraying it as something that will happen slowly.

My understanding is that the chastisement is supposed to happen after the Consecration takes place, and the chastisement, as you can imagine, will be rapid, NOT gradual.

The Neo-SSPX has begun using the same double talk as the conciliar church.