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Latest approach to SSPX by Vatican
« on: February 14, 2013, 11:25:14 AM »
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  • Forum Catholique says the Congregation Ecclesia Dei has approached the SSPX seeking an agreement by 22 February, or else will approach each individual priest in the SSPX to enter into a full reconciliation and communion with Rome...

    Has anyone seen this?

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    « Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 02:39:22 PM »
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  • Hasn't every priest from the SSPX already had this option?  Isn't that the reason why there are  so many off-shoots from the SSPX?  Fraternity of St. Peter, Christ the King, Redemptorists of Papa Stronsay...etc...

    SSPX really isn't much different than the fraternity of St. Peter as of late.  I really don't know why they just don't sign the deal and be done with it.  The Menzingen crowd has been leaning this way for so long, it's just a matter of time.  

    Time to seperate the sheep from the goats!  Mary help of Christians...Pray for us!

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    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 08:33:32 PM »
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    Hasn't every priest from the SSPX already had this option?  Isn't that the reason why there are  so many off-shoots from the SSPX?  Fraternity of St. Peter, Christ the King, Redemptorists of Papa Stronsay...etc...

    SSPX really isn't much different than the fraternity of St. Peter as of late.  I really don't know why they just don't sign the deal and be done with it.  The Menzingen crowd has been leaning this way for so long, it's just a matter of time.  

    Time to seperate the sheep from the goats!  Mary help of Christians...Pray for us!


    I know it is frustrating watching what the leadership of SSPX is currently doing, but we have to pray hard that they do not cave in.  The SSPX is the largest organized body of faithful Catholics in the world.  It is imperative for all of us that this deal does not happen.  

    If the SSPX caves in and signs the deal and places themselves under the Conciliar church, then they will be subverted and destroyed ever so slowly.  For proof of that look at Campos and the Fraternity of St. Peter.  Both dealt in good faith and both were led to compromise.

    In my opinion, the leadership of the Society needs to look back at what Archbishop Lefebvre taught about how to respond to a publicly heretical Pope, and if they follow the principles he taught, they will be safe from the temptation to return to the Conciliar church.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 10:48:54 PM »
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    In my opinion, the leadership of the Society needs to look back at what Archbishop Lefebvre taught about how to respond to a publicly heretical Pope, and if they follow the principles he taught, they will be safe from the temptation to return to the Conciliar church.


    The issue is, the SSPX still believes it is following the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre, when they are clearly not.

    When the Society has deceived themselves, there isn't much hope for them except prayer.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 15, 2013, 03:40:00 AM »
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    In my opinion, the leadership of the Society needs to look back at what Archbishop Lefebvre taught about how to respond to a publicly heretical Pope, and if they follow the principles he taught, they will be safe from the temptation to return to the Conciliar church.


    The issue is, the SSPX still believes it is following the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre, when they are clearly not.

    When the Society has deceived themselves, there isn't much hope for them except prayer.


    I agree, the most powerful tool we have at the moment in prayer.  It appears at the moment it is for the most part our last tool.  We are powerless to do much, but we can pray and convince others to pray.  

    One thing we must remember is that the SSPX organized a Rosary Crusade with millions of Rosaries for the consecration of Russia, a prayer that is still unanswered, but the Rosaries were said.  Only a true Pope can consecrate Russia, so indirectly the prayers were for a Pope.

    It seems to me that strange things are in the air, and something is happening in the Church at present.  Perhaps things will have more clarity in the coming months.  
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    « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2013, 08:32:04 AM »
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  • "One thing we must remember is that the SSPX organized a Rosary Crusade with millions of Rosaries for the consecration of Russia, a prayer that is still unanswered, but the Rosaries were said.  Only a true Pope can consecrate Russia, so indirectly the prayers were for a Pope.

    It seems to me that strange things are in the air, and something is happening in the Church at present.  Perhaps things will have more clarity in the coming months."




    Regarding the Rosary Crusades: Bp. Fellay made a complete mockery of the most Holy Rosary and desecrated its sacredness by deceiving the faithful in believing one thing, just to accomodate his pre-planned  "deal" with Rome in order to get the best possible outcome.  :devil2:

    A grave SIN!!

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    « Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 11:06:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
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    In my opinion, the leadership of the Society needs to look back at what Archbishop Lefebvre taught about how to respond to a publicly heretical Pope, and if they follow the principles he taught, they will be safe from the temptation to return to the Conciliar church.


    The issue is, the SSPX still believes it is following the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre, when they are clearly not.

    When the Society has deceived themselves, there isn't much hope for them except prayer.


    Yep.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 01:21:29 PM »
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    "One thing we must remember is that the SSPX organized a Rosary Crusade with millions of Rosaries for the consecration of Russia, a prayer that is still unanswered, but the Rosaries were said.  Only a true Pope can consecrate Russia, so indirectly the prayers were for a Pope.

    It seems to me that strange things are in the air, and something is happening in the Church at present.  Perhaps things will have more clarity in the coming months."




    Regarding the Rosary Crusades: Bp. Fellay made a complete mockery of the most Holy Rosary and desecrated its sacredness by deceiving the faithful in believing one thing, just to accomodate his pre-planned  "deal" with Rome in order to get the best possible outcome.  :devil2:

    A grave SIN!!


    Maybe so, but the one Rosary Crusade for the consecration of Russia was still in my view a good act.  I never cared about the others or participated in them.  I never acknowledged the excommunications as valid, so why pray to have them lifted?  I never acknowledged that the Catholic Mass of the Roman Rite was abrogated, so why pray to have it freed?

    Even if today, Bp. Fellay or any Catholic organized another Rosary Crusade for a Pope to consecrate Russia, I would join it.  I say this not because I am a supporter of Bishop Fellay, but I very strongly believe that if enough prayer, and this includes Rosaries goes up for the intention of consecrating Russia, that it will be done, and Russia will be converted and a reign of peace will be given to the world.  Who would not want to pray for that?


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    « Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 01:25:10 PM »
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    I very strongly believe that if enough prayer, and this includes Rosaries goes up for the intention of consecrating Russia, that it will be done, and Russia will be converted and a reign of peace will be given to the world.  Who would not want to pray for that?


    I might be alone in this but I think that if the Pope actually consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary nothing would happen.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 01:33:46 PM »
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    I very strongly believe that if enough prayer, and this includes Rosaries goes up for the intention of consecrating Russia, that it will be done, and Russia will be converted and a reign of peace will be given to the world.  Who would not want to pray for that?


    I might be alone in this but I think that if the Pope actually consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary nothing would happen.


    Do you mean because Our Lady said it would be for the Pope of 1960 to do this, and that time has come and gone?

    Or, do you mean that you do not accept the authenticity of Fatima?

    Or, do you mean nothing would happen because you believe BXVI is not a Pope?
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    « Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 01:47:12 PM »
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    I very strongly believe that if enough prayer, and this includes Rosaries goes up for the intention of consecrating Russia, that it will be done, and Russia will be converted and a reign of peace will be given to the world.  Who would not want to pray for that?


    I might be alone in this but I think that if the Pope actually consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary nothing would happen.


    You will be in for a big surprise then when it does happen.  

    The message of Fatima can give us certainty as God gave one of the largest public miracles in the history of the world with the message.  Does the sun spin in the sky and dance then come barreling towards 70,000 witnesses?   Does the ground water soaked from days dry up instantaneously?  What law of physics would support such an idea?  Only God can do such things, and God has stamped Fatima with a massive public miracle.  

    Our Lady said "in the end her Immaculate Heart will triumph, Russia will be converted, and an age of peace will be given."  I will take her at her word.  
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    « Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 02:01:10 PM »
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    You will be in for a big surprise then when it does happen.


    I hope you are right.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 03:59:57 PM »
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    I might be alone in this but I think that if the Pope actually consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary nothing would happen.


    You are not alone.  Bishop Fellay said the same thing.   But I agree with Ambrose.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 04:02:46 PM »
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    You are not alone.  Bishop Fellay said the same thing.

    That's interesting. I guess I agree with Fellay on something. I still hope we are wrong though and that you and Ambrose are right.
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