Author Topic: Last Rites from SSPX priest -- do you go? (Read 3413 times)

Matthew · « **on:** January 03, 2014, 11:04:47 AM »

You're on your deathbed, but there's only an SSPX priest available. You normally attend Mass by a Resistance priest, but he's not available. Do you call the SSPX priest and receive Last Rites/Confession?

(For the sake of discussion, let's assume he isn't one of the handful of die-hard accordistas that would withhold absolution if you didn't confess "attending a Ressitance Mass", etc.)

Yes, this post is about 95% mockery/satire. I saw the post about Confession, and I thought it was ridiculous.

Frances · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2014, 11:21:03 AM »

:dancing-banana:
Even if he carries a photo of Bishop Fellay, I'd call him rather than risk losing my soul. Yes, the Faith is most important, but in Whom is your faith? Our Lord Jesus Christ or the priest? The goal is Heaven. So long as the priest is a priest and acts as a priest, it ultimately doesn't matter.
If I want to get home, does it matter whether I get there in a new Cadillac as opposed to an ancient Ford Pinto? So why should it matter if you get Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Themann? Do some people believe SSPX ordinations to be invalid? Yipes!

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2014, 11:27:42 AM »

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2014, 11:33:54 AM »

Quote from: Frances

:dancing-banana:
Even if he carries a photo of Bishop Fellay, I'd call him rather than risk losing my soul. Yes, the Faith is most important, but in Whom is your faith? Our Lord Jesus Christ or the priest? The goal is Heaven. So long as the priest is a priest and acts as a priest, it ultimately doesn't matter.
If I want to get home, does it matter whether I get there in a new Cadillac as opposed to an ancient Ford Pinto? So why should it matter if you get Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Themann? Do some people believe SSPX ordinations to be invalid? Yipes!

Exactly!

And I realize that no one actually believes this, but it's funny to think about a person denying the validity of SSPX ordinations, yet still supporting the Resistance. That would be a good one! (I have some news for them about Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, as well as most of the other Resistance priests...)

I guess with all my years in the Trad world, nothing would surprise me.

Kelley · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2014, 11:53:42 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

(For the sake of discussion, let's assume he isn't one of the handful of die-hard accordistas that would withhold absolution if you didn't confess "attending a Ressitance Mass", etc.)

That depends on the priest... even if he's Resistance tolerant.

Tragically, relying on an sspx-affiliated priest isn't what it used to be.

It's no longer Society policy to conditionally re-ordain those priests - ordained in the new rite - who've joined ranks either as members or independent assistants (friends).

Buyer Beware!

Marlelar · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2014, 12:23:30 PM »

yes, I would call any validly ordained priest.

Marsha

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2014, 12:24:56 PM »

Quote from: Frances

:dancing-banana:
Even if he carries a photo of Bishop Fellay, I'd call him rather than risk losing my soul. Yes, the Faith is most important, but in Whom is your faith? Our Lord Jesus Christ or the priest? The goal is Heaven. So long as the priest is a priest and acts as a priest, it ultimately doesn't matter.
If I want to get home, does it matter whether I get there in a new Cadillac as opposed to an ancient Ford Pinto? So why should it matter if you get Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Themann? Do some people believe SSPX ordinations to be invalid? Yipes!

My dad has Fr. Themann giving him the sacraments, and he's told him in no uncertain terms that the reason he's even receiving the sacraments from him is because it's an emergency for him, and that if a resistance priest could come here and give him the sacraments, he would be calling him, and not Father Themann.

It's foolish if, in an emergency, you forgo the true sacraments.

OHCA · « **Reply #7 on:** January 03, 2014, 01:21:50 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Frances
:dancing-banana:
Even if he carries a photo of Bishop Fellay, I'd call him rather than risk losing my soul. Yes, the Faith is most important, but in Whom is your faith? Our Lord Jesus Christ or the priest? The goal is Heaven. So long as the priest is a priest and acts as a priest, it ultimately doesn't matter.
If I want to get home, does it matter whether I get there in a new Cadillac as opposed to an ancient Ford Pinto? So why should it matter if you get Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Themann? Do some people believe SSPX ordinations to be invalid? Yipes!

Exactly!

And I realize that no one actually believes this, but it's funny to think about a person denying the validity of SSPX ordinations, yet still supporting the Resistance. That would be a good one! (I have some news for them about Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, as well as most of the other Resistance priests...)

I guess with all my years in the Trad world, nothing would surprise me.

It wouldn't surprise me if TCat ultimately decides that he can only attend NO "masses" and that the priest must be sedevacantist.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #8 on:** January 03, 2014, 02:22:19 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: Frances
:dancing-banana:
Even if he carries a photo of Bishop Fellay, I'd call him rather than risk losing my soul. Yes, the Faith is most important, but in Whom is your faith? Our Lord Jesus Christ or the priest? The goal is Heaven. So long as the priest is a priest and acts as a priest, it ultimately doesn't matter.
If I want to get home, does it matter whether I get there in a new Cadillac as opposed to an ancient Ford Pinto? So why should it matter if you get Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Themann? Do some people believe SSPX ordinations to be invalid? Yipes!

My dad has Fr. Themann giving him the sacraments, and he's told him in no uncertain terms that the reason he's even receiving the sacraments from him is because it's an emergency for him, and that if a resistance priest could come here and give him the sacraments, he would be calling him, and not Father Themann.

It's foolish if, in an emergency, you forgo the true sacraments.

Probably should mention that my father is very ill, and has been for many years. He wasn't expected to live beyond my 13th birthday (I'm 37 now.) There have been quite a few times that he's had the Last Sacraments from Father Bolduc, because my dad was on the brink of death.

If there was no other priest to come and give the sacraments to my dad besides Fr. Themann, it would be foolish for him not to take them.

So, take it FWIW. If you're in an emergent situation, and you can receive the true sacraments from a true priest, then you really should get them.

Matto · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2014, 02:36:17 PM »

I would ask any SSPX priest for last rites unless I knew he was one of the few members of the SSPX who were ordained in the new rite and not conditionally ordained in the old rite.

Sigismund · « **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2014, 03:03:42 PM »

Quote from: Kelley

Quote from: Matthew
(For the sake of discussion, let's assume he isn't one of the handful of die-hard accordistas that would withhold absolution if you didn't confess "attending a Ressitance Mass", etc.)

That depends on the priest... even if he's Resistance tolerant.

Tragically, relying on an sspx-affiliated priest isn't what it used to be.

It's no longer Society policy to conditionally re-ordain those priests - ordained in the new rite - who've joined ranks either as members or independent assistants (friends).

Buyer Beware!

It should not depend on the priest. I would ask a validly ordained reprobate to absolve me if he was the only priest available. So should any Catholic.

Ambrose · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2014, 03:25:27 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: Kelley
Quote from: Matthew
(For the sake of discussion, let's assume he isn't one of the handful of die-hard accordistas that would withhold absolution if you didn't confess "attending a Ressitance Mass", etc.)

That depends on the priest... even if he's Resistance tolerant.

Tragically, relying on an sspx-affiliated priest isn't what it used to be.

It's no longer Society policy to conditionally re-ordain those priests - ordained in the new rite - who've joined ranks either as members or independent assistants (friends).

Buyer Beware!

It should not depend on the priest. I would ask a validly ordained reprobate to absolve me if he was the only priest available. So should any Catholic.

You are absolutely correct, Sigismund, and the authorities support this assertion. If one is in danger of death, even a schismatic Greek could hear your confession and absolve you if no Catholic priest was available. The Church would supply jurisdiction for this act.

Frances · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2014, 04:50:52 PM »

:incense:When the bubonic plague struck England in 1349, the Bishop of Winchester issued a letter declaring that those on the point of death without access to a priest could confess to any Catholic, including a woman if a man was not available. Our Lord Himself would supply the necessary grace. Any Catholic hearing such a confession was bound under pain of mortal sin to secrecy, just as a priest. In one manor, 12 priests had died in succession, none lasting more than two weeks before dying, himself. Interestingly, this last priest performed his duties without hesitation or dread. There were no more priests for 18 months, so grace sufficed. Is our situation yet this dire? I think not.

soulguard · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2014, 11:22:01 AM »

Quote from: Frances

:incense:When the bubonic plague struck England in 1349, the Bishop of Winchester issued a letter declaring that those on the point of death without access to a priest could confess to any Catholic, including a woman if a man was not available. Our Lord Himself would supply the necessary grace. Any Catholic hearing such a confession was bound under pain of mortal sin to secrecy, just as a priest. In one manor, 12 priests had died in succession, none lasting more than two weeks before dying, himself. Interestingly, this last priest performed his duties without hesitation or dread. There were no more priests for 18 months, so grace sufficed. Is our situation yet this dire? I think not.

Learn something new every day.
:cool:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2014, 07:23:25 AM »

Quote from: Matto

I would ask any SSPX priest for last rites unless I knew he was one of the few members of the SSPX who were ordained in the new rite and not conditionally ordained in the old rite.

There is great material here for playwrights. Imagine the scene:

Sick man (SM) to daughter (d):
"I'm not doing so well today; maybe it's time we should call a priest in."

d:
"Okay, dad. Do you have any preference?"

SM:
"I've always liked to think Fr. Jones would be good to see at the end."

d:
"But Fr. Jones is out of the country."

SM:
"I know. How about Fr. Peters? He seems like he'd be okay."

d:
"Don't forget he was saying the Newmass and ordained in the Newchurch and the XSPX imported him without conditional ordination."

SM:
"Oh, yeah, that's right. I'd forgotten about that."

d:
"Should I call Fr. Adams?"

SM:
"Isn't he sedevacantist now? I heard he was saying Mass at Mel Gibson's chapel and Hutton gave him the magnifying glass treatment and didn't turn him out on his ear like he did to Fr. Danforth."

d:
"Right. You got me on that one. What about Fr. Hastings? He seems nice."

SM:
"Who cares if he's 'nice'? What I don't like to see is how "nice" he is to the altar boys; IMHO a little TOO 'nice'. Have you ever noticed that?"

d:
"I think we're running out of options. Should I turn on the computer?"

SM:
"What, you think we can get someone to travel over here?"

d:
"Fr. Pheiffer could be flying overhead at this moment."

SM:
"But he might have that curious sidekick with him; Didn't Matthew say he was bad news or something?"

d:
"You can't believe every Internet Rumour you hear, dad."

SM:
"I think my heart is palpitating."

d:
"Oh-oh, maybe a sede like Fr. Adams isn't such a bad idea after all. Dad, did someone not pay the phone bill? I'm not getting a dial tone. Dad? DAD?!?..."

----Organ music swells----

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